Silver Surfer & Thor vs JLA

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If only they didn't have the flash who can give them all speed force and move them out of the way before surfer uses one iota of cosmic energy. The Quantum Mechanics where leagues beyond the Silver Surfer and much much faster, and yet the flash, reacted while the rest of the JLA stood frozen. No speed blitzing will be happening from Surfer.

It is still arguable who is the faster between the Surfer and the Flash, it has been argued countless times before. Even with classic surfer. The Current surfer has been upgraded several times, and, as of yet, we have no idea the extent of his powers. He made a complete fool of a Herald level being, while said being could do nothing but ponder "What have you become?"

At best, you are treating this as if it was Classic Surfer, who was acting like a retard. However, this is a cunning, current Surfer, who will also be bloodlusted. It makes quite a bit of difference.

Besides that, it seems your whole defense rests upon the Flash. Even you seem to act as if it weren't for Bart, the Surfer would pretty much mop up the JLA solo....😬.

Originally posted by Juntai
Surfer isnt going to have a speed advantage. Flash can share speed with the entire rest of the team, make them move and think like him.

Your whole plot is requiring them to job. They are many, on two fighters much smaller in number, they are going to be the ones laying the grounds for the fight, on who is going to fight who.

And given forum rules, they know what the others are capable of, and will react accordingly.

They are the greatest Superteam.

Surfer not having a speed advantage? Sure, but having a speed Disadvantage? Absolutely not. Surfer will cause alot of problems for Flash, atleast enough to keep him pre-occupied. And we all know flashes durability is no where close to Surfers. Coped with the fact that Surfer (as i have stated previously) has incredible focus and Can multitask like no man befoer him. The GL's just arent going to make any real progress in this fight. Anything they do will just be manipluated into oblivion by surfer. I feel dirty trying to convince myself that JLA would completely destroy SS/THor.

Edit: oops

Originally posted by Juntai
Surfer's not going to be able to stop Flash with the rest of the team smacking him around.

Here's my disclaimer again, get used to seeing it:

The JLA take this battle, but some of them will be on their backs afterward, with the likely exception of Supes and a GL.

Originally posted by Soljer
It is still arguable who is the faster between the Surfer and the Flash, it has been argued countless times before. Even with classic surfer. The Current surfer has been upgraded several times, and, as of yet, we have no idea the extent of his powers. He made a complete fool of a Herald level being, while said being could do nothing but ponder "What have you become?"

At best, you are treating this as if it was Classic Surfer, who was acting like a retard. However, this is a cunning, current Surfer, who will also be bloodlusted. It makes quite a bit of difference.

Besides that, it seems your whole defense rests upon the Flash. Even you seem to act as if it weren't for Bart, the Surfer would pretty much mop up the JLA solo....😬.

Flash sharing the speedforce is just one option of many.
And that's exactly the point.

While the counter arguement is that Surfer can solo the JLA. Which is just not happening.

Surfer is not going to instantly drop 5 of the JLA's best, including 2 lanterns with enough time to save Thor from getting mopped up by any random 2 of the opponents' heavier hitters.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
But how many on that team are going to do real damage to the new Surfer? Supes, definitely, but in your scenario, he's tied up with Thor. Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman are not likely candidates to KO the new Surfer. Batman is dead, and Flash's KO is only a matter of time. The GL's can hold him, but how will they easily KO him when the Surfer has walked unshielded through a barrage of Herald-level energy with no ill effect?

Here's my disclaimer again, get used to seeing it:

The JLA take this battle, but some of them will be on their backs afterward, with the likely exception of Supes and a GL.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not true, GL's are equally as fast as Flash, until he steps out of our continuum and into the speedforce.As is Wonder Woman. As is Superman. There's no proof his combat speed holds against this group.

Flash sharing the speedforce is just one option of many.
And that's exactly the point.

While the counter arguement is that Surfer can solo the JLA. Which is just not happening.

Surfer is not going to instantly drop 5 of the JLA's best, including 2 lanterns with enough time to save Thor from getting mopped up by any random 2 of the opponents' heavier hitters.

The JLA take this battle, but some of them will be on their backs afterward, with the likely exception of Supes and a GL.

I'm not arguing that the Surfer will "instantly drop" anyone. But really, how many of the JLA could put the new Surfer down quickly? And until they dogpile him, he's going to do some damage to them. As would Thor, if the JLA picks different "playmates" or the than Supes vs Thor.

Juntai, you really think that Wonder Woman and the GLs are as fast as the Flash? Could you explain that?

Originally posted by Soljer
It is still arguable who is the faster between the Surfer and the Flash, it has been argued countless times before. Even with classic surfer. The Current surfer has been upgraded several times, and, as of yet, we have no idea the extent of his powers. He made a complete fool of a Herald level being, while said being could do nothing but ponder "What have you become?"

At best, you are treating this as if it was Classic Surfer, who was acting like a retard. However, this is a cunning, current Surfer, who will also be bloodlusted. It makes quite a bit of difference.

Besides that, it seems your whole defense rests upon the Flash. Even you seem to act as if it weren't for Bart, the Surfer would pretty much mop up the JLA solo....😬.

NO, ONe Gl is a good fight for surfer to me. Two Gl's WOuld be too much for Surfer. The best two at that.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not true, GL's are equally as fast as Flash, until he steps out of our continuum and into the speedforce.As is Wonder Woman. As is Superman. There's no proof his combat speed holds against this group.

Flash sharing the speedforce is just one option of many.
And that's exactly the point.

While the counter arguement is that Surfer can solo the JLA. Which is just not happening.

Surfer is not going to instantly drop 5 of the JLA's best, including 2 lanterns with enough time to save Thor from getting mopped up by any random 2 of the opponents' heavier hitters.

i understand flash could infact share the speed force, and i am not ultraknolwedgble
err
knolwedgeable
?
anyways
lol
of what exactly the speed force comes from, but from my understanding, outside of flash himself, the force could be manipulated by surfer, thus preventing him from succeeding in shareing the force with fellow jla members

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO, ONe Gl is a good fight for surfer to me. Two Gl's WOuld be too much for Surfer. The best two at that.

Why? Thier primary method of doing things is what the surfer has absolute dictation over

not to mention in a 1on1 fight with surfer, gl would get speedblitzed into the negaverse

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Maybe I'll try putting the disclaimer first.

The JLA take this battle, but some of them will be on their backs afterward, with the likely exception of Supes and a GL.

I'm not arguing that the Surfer will "instantly drop" anyone. But really, how many of the JLA could put the new Surfer down quickly? And until they dogpile him, he's going to do some damage to them. As would Thor, if the JLA picks different "playmates" or the than Supes vs Thor.

Juntai, you really think that Wonder Woman and the GLs are as fast as the Flash? Could you explain that?

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
i understand flash could infact share the speed force, and i am not ultraknolwedgble
err
knolwedgeable
?
anyways
lol
of what exactly the speed force comes from, but from my understanding, outside of flash himself, the force could be manipulated by surfer, thus preventing him from succeeding in shareing the force with fellow jla members

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Maybe I'll try putting the disclaimer first.

The JLA take this battle, but some of them will be on their backs afterward, with the likely exception of Supes and a GL.

I'm not arguing that the Surfer will "instantly drop" anyone. But really, how many of the JLA could put the new Surfer down quickly? And until they dogpile him, he's going to do some damage to them. As would Thor, if the JLA picks different "playmates" or the than Supes vs Thor.

Juntai, you really think that Wonder Woman and the GLs are as fast as the Flash? Could you explain that?

WW in outer space can move as fast as the God Mercury. In the Omac Files, it has her speed as A1. It had Superman's Speed as A1. The Gl's have always been as fast as they need to be. They do have to cover large territories of space. I dont think anyone is as fast as flash reaction wise or speed wise at optimum. But they can keep up with him in his normal operating status.

Originally posted by Juntai
Wally is mainlined to the speedforce, nothing can stop his connection to it. And now Bart likely is, since he's the only one that can use it.

No no, thats what i said, but i also said outside of flash, it seems possible that it may be liable to be manipluated by surfer.

Another thing, SS can heal damage inflicted to thor, prolonging his time in the battle

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Why? Thier primary method of doing things is what the surfer has absolute dictation over

not to mention in a 1on1 fight with surfer, gl would get speedblitzed into the negaverse

AN exactly what can he do that they can't undo? Thier shields can stand up to any amount of energy he can crank out. ANd he is not going to be able to absorb thier energy. He has to have the will power to take it from them. He doesn't.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
AN exactly what can he do that they can't undo? Thier shields can stand up to any amount of energy he can crank out. ANd he is not going to be able to absorb thier energy. He has to have the will power to take it from them. He doesn't.

Hypothetical Scenario:

GL brings up force field,

IF ss cant fly through it, he dismantles it, while proceeding to knock GL's head off before he can will up another.

Flash begins to weep, end.

it would be a good fight, but i see thor and surfer winning this one

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
No no, thats what i said, but i also said outside of flash, it seems possible that it may be liable to be manipluated by surfer.

Another thing, SS can heal damage inflicted to thor, prolonging his time in the battle

Surfer won't have time, he'll be too busy fighting off far too many heavy hitters.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Hypothetical Scenario:

GL brings up force field,

IF ss cant fly through it, he dismantles it, while proceeding to knock GL's head off before he can will up another.

Flash begins to weep, end.

Thor is handled by any two of the heavy hitters on the JLA.

Surfer doesn't stand a chance against the other 5.

Thor and Surfer aren't going to get to pick anyone out they want to fight, and expect to to take them on one at a time in a series of one on one fights...they're outgunned and outnumbered. Against a team with defininite strategy number and power advantage.

It's a lopsided fight.

With one-sided prep, detailed information on their opponent's powers and weaknesses, and the chance to take them by surprise I think Thor and SS could win 3 maybe 4/10. But in a straight up fight the JLA is just too much for them to take on imo. Not only can the JLA match them in both types and level of power, they also have the advantage of better teamwork.