Originally posted by TheKahnYep, and the numbers. 7 on 2 aint nothing to mess with.
With one-sided prep, detailed information on their opponent's powers and weaknesses, and the chance to take them by surprise I think Thor and SS could win 3 maybe 4/10. But in a straight up fight the JLA is just too much for them to take on imo. Not only can the JLA match them in both types and level of power, they also have the advantage of better teamwork.
Originally posted by Juntai
Thor is handled by any two of the heavy hitters on the JLA.Surfer doesn't stand a chance against the other 5.
Thor and Surfer aren't going to get to pick anyone out they want to fight, and expect to to take them on one at a time in a series of one on one fights...they're outgunned and outnumbered. Against a team with defininite strategy number and power advantage.
It's a lopsided fight.
out of time, but
I understand, and i fully acknoweldge this is in favor of the JLA. I just dont think its lopsided.
and for the record the post about SS/GL was in reference to a 1on1 that someone implied
snakebuns
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Hal and Kyle both have feats that rank up with Surfers, check your local respect thread, either of them could give him a decent fight, 2 is too much, especially with another two people for added leverage and he's overwhelmed... then add the other two once they stomp out Thor...he's done for.
out of time, butI understand, and i fully acknoweldge this is in favor of the JLA. I just dont think its lopsided.
and for the record the post about SS/GL was in reference to a 1on1 that someone implied
snakebuns
It's seriously a fairly easy win for the JLA.
You're blind not to see it.
Originally posted by Juntai
Yep, and the numbers. 7 on 2 aint nothing to mess with.
And we are talking about characters who (with the exception of Batman) are all basically on the same tier. Most of the JLA could match up 1on1 with Thor and give him a good fight and several could do the same with the Surfer. Now piling 7 of them against just the 2 and I have to agree that the fight is a little lopsided.
Originally posted by Juntai
Thor is handled by any two of the heavy hitters on the JLA.]
Rubbish. Thor has easily overpowered (physically) pairs of characters as or more powerful than any pair in JLA in canon and across multiple comics (not just his own). Warlock and Surfer, Drax (power gem) and Maxam, as well single-handedly fought large groups of powerful villains such as Ultron, Doctor Doom, and a bunch of other villains at the same time.
But Thor would not have to dirty his hands here. He can easily kill them all simultaneously with electricity or, if he wanted more of a challenge, pick them off one by one with anti-force blasts set to "kill" which even the Hulk knows could kill him in one shot.
Surfer doesn't stand a chance against the other 5.
More rubbish. Like Thor, the Surfer's power dwarfs any in JLA as he can take out groups of powerful enemies with single blasts.
Against a team with defininite strategy number and power advantage.
What strategy can help them escape from a planet wide lightning attack at temperatures beyond what any of them could survive or from an area bathed in power cosmic. A number of them would be instantly incinerated, such as Flash, Batman, etc... and others would die more slowly and painfully.
It's a lopsided fight.
You're right about this one.
Originally posted by aliveinbostonlmao.
Rubbish. Thor has easily overpowered (physically) pairs of characters as or more powerful than any pair in JLA in canon and across multiple comics (not just his own). Warlock and Surfer, Drax (power gem) and Maxam, as well single-handedly fought large groups of powerful villains such as Ultron, Doctor Doom, and a bunch of other villains at the same time.But Thor would not have to dirty his hands here. He can easily kill them all simultaneously with electricity or, if he wanted more of a challenge, pick them off one by one with anti-force blasts set to "kill" which even the Hulk knows could kill him in one shot.
More rubbish. Like Thor, the Surfer's power dwarfs any in JLA as he can take out groups of powerful enemies with single blasts.
What strategy can help them escape from a planet wide lightning attack at temperatures beyond what any of them could survive or from an area bathed in power cosmic. A number of them would be instantly incinerated, such as Flash, Batman, etc... and others would die more slowly and painfully.
You're right about this one.
Kind of funny that almost everyone arguing for the JLA happens to have a JLA member in their signature. 😬.
But conspiracies aside, the Surfer can still drain the two lanterns, encase Superman in unbreakable kryptonite, do similar to wonder woman, surround the Manhunter with fire, and obliterate Batman with a flick of his finger. The Flash is still a problem due to his plot device of the speed force. However, nothing the Flash can pull can really stop the Surfer. Speed steal? Surfer can control Kinetic energy too. Speed blitz? Heh. Infinite Mass Punch? If the flash can even hit the surfer, he's survived worse. Dragged into the speed force? The Surfer can dimension hop.
Perhaps he simply imprisons them all in his board. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by SoljerI can see theres no hope for you if you believe Surfer can honestly solo the JLA.
Kind of funny that almost everyone arguing for the JLA happens to have a JLA member in their signature. 😬.But conspiracies aside, the Surfer can still drain the two lanterns, encase Superman in unbreakable kryptonite, do similar to wonder woman, surround the Manhunter with fire, and obliterate Batman with a flick of his finger. The Flash is still a problem due to his plot device of the speed force. However, nothing the Flash can pull can really stop the Surfer. Speed steal? Surfer can control Kinetic energy too. Speed blitz? Heh. Infinite Mass Punch? If the flash can even hit the surfer, he's survived worse. Dragged into the speed force? The Surfer can dimension hop.
Perhaps he simply imprisons them all in his board. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Juntai
I can see theres no hope for you if you believe Surfer can honestly solo the JLA.
Who says I believe any of what I debate? I oft argue simply for the purpose of arguing. I'll play the devil's advocate in a lot of threads, argue for the underdog, argue for the person even _I_ think would lose...just as an intellectual excercise.
Are any of those scenarios the case in this situation? Well...I'd rather not say. It could potentially hurt my credibility, 😉.
Originally posted by SoljerYour credibility is already hurt after that last post.
Who says I believe any of what I debate? I oft argue simply for the purpose of arguing. I'll play the devil's advocate in a lot of threads, argue for the underdog, argue for the person even _I_ think would lose...just as an intellectual excercise.Are any of those scenarios the case in this situation? Well...I'd rather not say. It could potentially hurt my credibility, 😉.
Originally posted by Juntai
Your credibility is already hurt after that last post.
You can say "Wow, you're retarded" "You're blind" "That hurt your credibility" all you want, but fact is, without the Flash, none of the JLA are anywhere near the Surfer in speed. Time itself is nothing to the Surfer, he could start a fight, try an idea, see if it works, and if it doesn't? Easily travel back to the beginning of the match. He could try over and over, easily waiting till he gets a situation that is in his favor.
Not to mention that he can absorb Oan energy, create Kryptonite and fire, imprison Diana, and EASILY destroy someone who wears a batsuit. I don't see why it's so out of reach to see the Surfer utilizing his powers like this. 😬. It's not like any of what I'm saying is undoable. It's not like the Surfer hasn't shown the capability in the past. It isn't as if he isn't fast enough, either.
Now I know I have seen it all. There are some truly ignorant people trying to argue that SS and Thor even have a chance against the JLA. For one. SOmeone mention lighting. LIGHTING? WW has took lightning from an enraged zues. You think Thor has what it takes to out do zues? The Gl's can shield themselves from lighting. MM is going to be intangible and unable tobe hit by lightning. Supeman can withstand some lightning. It may hurt him a bit if it's magic, but he sure as hell ain't gonna die or be knocked out from it. Flash won't be hit at all. And people are still acting like a green Lantern is some one to be played with. They are for all intents and purposes DC version's of Quasars or silver surfers. Two of them is too much for the surfer.
Originally posted by SoljerSurfer is not a time traveler at will. He doens't do that. Either way, GLs can time travel as well, they've done it far more times than Surfer has in his entire career in comics history in single arcs and issues. Flash likewise has done the same.
You can say "Wow, you're retarded" "You're blind" "That hurt your credibility" all you want, but fact is, without the Flash, none of the JLA are anywhere near the Surfer in speed. Time itself is nothing to the Surfer, he could start a fight, try an idea, see if it works, and if it doesn't? Easily travel back to the beginning of the match. He could try over and over, easily waiting till he gets a situation that is in his favor.Not to mention that he can absorb Oan energy, create Kryptonite and fire, imprison Diana, and EASILY destroy someone who wears a batsuit. I don't see why it's so out of reach to see the Surfer utilizing his powers like this. 😬. It's not like any of what I'm saying is undoable. It's not like the Surfer hasn't shown the capability in the past. It isn't as if he isn't fast enough, either.
Most everyone here can keep up with Surfer, and those that can't, can get a boost from the others.
Surfer could never solo the JLA, ever.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now I know I have seen it all. There are some truly ignorant people trying to argue that SS and Thor even have a chance against the JLA. For one. SOmeone mention lighting. LIGHTING? WW has took lightning from an enraged zues. You think Thor has what it takes to out do zues? The Gl's can shield themselves from lighting. MM is going to be intangible and unable tobe hit by lightning. Supeman can withstand some lightning. It may hurt him a bit if it's magic, but he sure as hell ain't gonna die or be knocked out from it. Flash won't be hit at all. And people are still acting like a green Lantern is some one to be played with. They are for all intents and purposes DC version's of Quasars or silver surfers. Two of them is too much for the surfer.
You can also spam "Two of them is too much for the Surfer" all you want. Without a little back-up, it is meaningless. The Surfer can absorb and control Oan energy. What do the Lantern's use again? Ohhh....riiiight!
Originally posted by Juntai
Surfer is not a time traveler at will. He doens't do that. Either way, GLs can time travel as well, they've done it far more times than Surfer has in his entire career in comics history in single arcs and issues. Flash likewise has done the same.Most everyone here can keep up with Surfer, and those that can't, can get a boost from the others.
He HAS done it. On multiple occasions, sometimes using speed, sometimes just by controlling the flow of time.
Not only that, but I'm now talking about a JLA WITHOUT the Flash, so any argument about him souping up the team is a bit void.
Originally posted by SoljerThat one little panel of him falling through time isn't going to cut it.
He HAS done it. On multiple occasions, sometimes using speed, sometimes just by controlling the flow of time.Not only that, but I'm now talking about a JLA WITHOUT the Flash, so any argument about him souping up the team is a bit void.
GL's and Flash are far more adept at time travel.
Anything that he can do, can be done by the other team, and they have strategy and numbers, with that, they will control the flow of the fights moreso than Surfer.
They add up to be far too much for him.
Surfer. Can. Not. Solo. The. JLA. Ever.
Originally posted by Soljer
He HAS done it. On multiple occasions, sometimes using speed, sometimes just by controlling the flow of time.Not only that, but I'm now talking about a JLA WITHOUT the Flash, so any argument about him souping up the team is a bit void.
Even without the flash, The GL rings can literally do anything the wearer wills them to do. So Silver Surfer isnt' doing anything that the Gl wearers can't do themselves. In some cases out do. I have never seen Silver Surfer create an army of gladiators. The Gl's Can make an army of Daxamites all with the power of a daxamite. So um, Surfer is still out gunned. NOt to mention that MM pretty much isn't going to be getting hit by the power cosmic if he is out of sinc with it. Plus MM's telepathy shouldn't be counted out either. The JLA are all mind linked and know what to do and what the other is going to do.
Originally posted by Juntai
That one little panel of him falling through time isn't going to cut it.GL's and Flash are far more adept at time travel.
Anything that he can do, can be done by the other team, and they have strategy and numbers.
They add up to be far too much for him.Surfer. Can. Not. Solo. The. JLA. Ever.
Just because the Surfer hasn't had reason to as often as others, doesn't mean he hasn't shown the ability to on multiple occasions. Three that immediately spring to mind, in fact...
And, thus far your great rebuttals are all the same, and pretty much add up to 'Nuh-uh!'
Pull something else out.