He never did in 616. It happened in a What If, which doesn't count, and even if it did, it was Classic Magneto - the old man who was never restored to his prime and never powered up via the magnetosphere. Classic Magneto was pretty weak....he got punked by Namor. I'd fully expect Juggernaut or Superman to beat him. He could hardly even fly for god's sake.
Well, let me think. Current Mags came into being in Fatal Attractions. He owned the X-men, X-Force, X-Factor, etc. at the same time, holding them in place by the iron in their blood while lecturing them. But he didn't take into account Bishop, who overloaded on Mags powers and released it all, and just so happened to hit Magneto with it, which broke his concentration and everybody from all three teams dog piled him. Then Xavier took over his mind and sent him away.
After that, Magneto beat down the X-men, but according to Wolverine, was holding back out of respect, which allowed Wolverine to gut him, despite having, you know, metal claws. Magneto was pretty badly hurt because of it and it allowed Xavier to burn out his mind.
After that, Magneto was given a real run for his money against himself (Joseph), but managed to win out.
After that, Eve of Destruction, where Magneto toyed with the X-men because he was so sure that he was the man, but that gave the X-men time to sneak around, free Xavier from captivity, where the X-men distracted Magneto enough to allow Xavier to work his way past Magneto's mental defenses and deny him access to his powers. Then Wolverine gutted him, lol.
Magneto in Excalibur started developing new power because, as Xavier and Dark Beast theorized, he has a greater sense of purpose and less guilt as a result.
So generally speaking, when Magneto loses it either because of plot devices (like holding back, or some overloading incident) or because they're able to mentally defeat him.
Unfortunately for Superman, there are no plot devices here, and Superman doesn't have any mental powers, and even if he did....Magneto has since developed telepathy anyway.
Originally posted by demigawd
Why wouldn't Magneto be able to withstand multiple mountain shattering punches? He's not a mountain. Even without his forcefield, he took a shot clean to the face by a CL100 character and was fine. Add in his body armor (which he adds magnetic cohesiveness to to make it as molecularly dense as Adamantium) and his forcefield, able to withstand attacks by people FAR more powerful than Superman, and I can't see Superman breaking through the forcefield AND Magneto's regular armor in the amount of time it takes for Magneto to form a single thought. That's just not happening. And one thought is all it'll take.What's a two mile glacier going to do? Magneto controls electricity. Electrcity as in electrolysis. Electrolysis as in turning ice into its component molecules. Bad strategy.
Just get over it you fanboy Magneto loses to Superman period.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Avy, is the wrestling angels thing you mention, the whole Asmodel fiasco?? Cuz if so, the whole conservation law of energy explains that feat cleanly. Not a durability feat for boy blue, but him being protected by scientific law. Just wanted to say that..................
It's not a clear cut durability feat. I share some of your feelings towards that. However, it is a great strength feat.
Originally posted by demigawd
There's a big difference between baking a cake and doing extremely complex feats in battle situations. And we don't know if Magneto can bake a cake or if he'll botch it. Ditto with Superman.And you missed or ignored my point Magneto isn't a planet - a planet is rocky. Magneto's forcefield is energy. You can't encase energy in ice, repelled as quickly as it makes contact. sorry, won't work.
Superman, on the other hand, has NO defense against his energy being drained, no matter where on earth he is.
So Superman will spend all his time trying to break a forcefield made out of energy that affects Superman at a molecular level, and at the one milisescond mark, Magneto de-powers Superman, opens up a wormhole into the nearest red sun and that's that for Superman.
You do not have to be a planet to be frozen, you seem to think a glacier can't be formed around Mags for some reason. The ice does not have to be touching Mags or his field. Even if it does repel the ice somewhat, he's still essentially in a huge ice construct. Easily tossed and repelled.
Mags won't have plot devices to help him as well. Supes won't be trying to reason with him as he does with everyone who has tried to drain him. That bodes terribly for him.
Thekahn is also correct. Superheated or cooled air around him won't make things any easier. So far you have Mags tracking down a being that is faster than light, and that can rip through planets easily, freeze a planet that is NEXT to the Sun while he is inside it. Create heat hotter than the sun itself (which would kill Mags instantly) etc.
Even if Mags could create a wormhole or a red sun, so what? Supes has been INSIDE a red sun, and has flown back to earth under his own power. He's escaped black holes under his own strength.
There isn't any comparison, human reflexes, and endurance. No way to avoid Superman's huge speed, strenght, and endurance advantage.
Mags isn't winning unless Supes just stands there and lets Mags win.
If Mags can do all those feats stated by demigawd all at the same time, then why couldnt he just beat the X-Men, instead......... he got his ass whooped everytime.......
I'll tell ya why, Its hard to do dat, Mags will need to concentrate real hard, why didnt he just unleash a huge wave of EMP ??
Because its not that easy, he needs to concentrate for a while.......... and thats where he gets killed by the Kryptonian !!!
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind💃
You do not have to be a planet to be frozen, you seem to think a glacier can't be formed around Mags for some reason. The ice does not have to be touching Mags or his field. Even if it does repel the ice somewhat, he's still essentially in a huge ice construct. Easily tossed and repelled.Mags won't have plot devices to help him as well. Supes won't be trying to reason with him as he does with everyone who has tried to drain him. That bodes terribly for him.
Thekahn is also correct. Superheated or cooled air around him won't make things any easier. So far you have Mags tracking down a being that is faster than light, and that can rip through planets easily, freeze a planet that is NEXT to the Sun while he is inside it. Create heat hotter than the sun itself (which would kill Mags instantly) etc.
Even if Mags could create a wormhole or a red sun, so what? Supes has been INSIDE a red sun, and has flown back to earth under his own power. He's escaped black holes under his own strength.
There isn't any comparison, human reflexes, and endurance. No way to avoid Superman's huge speed, strenght, and endurance advantage.
Mags isn't winning unless Supes just stands there and lets Mags win.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You do not have to be a planet to be frozen, you seem to think a glacier can't be formed around Mags for some reason. The ice does not have to be touching Mags or his field. Even if it does repel the ice somewhat, he's still essentially in a huge ice construct. Easily tossed and repelled.Mags won't have plot devices to help him as well. Supes won't be trying to reason with him as he does with everyone who has tried to drain him. That bodes terribly for him.
Thekahn is also correct. Superheated or cooled air around him won't make things any easier. So far you have Mags tracking down a being that is faster than light, and that can rip through planets easily, freeze a planet that is NEXT to the Sun while he is inside it. Create heat hotter than the sun itself (which would kill Mags instantly) etc.
Even if Mags could create a wormhole or a red sun, so what? Supes has been INSIDE a red sun, and has flown back to earth under his own power. He's escaped black holes under his own strength.
There isn't any comparison, human reflexes, and endurance. No way to avoid Superman's huge speed, strenght, and endurance advantage.
Mags isn't winning unless Supes just stands there and lets Mags win.
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Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You do not have to be a planet to be frozen, you seem to think a glacier can't be formed around Mags for some reason. The ice does not have to be touching Mags or his field. Even if it does repel the ice somewhat, he's still essentially in a huge ice construct. Easily tossed and repelled.Mags won't have plot devices to help him as well. Supes won't be trying to reason with him as he does with everyone who has tried to drain him. That bodes terribly for him.
Thekahn is also correct. Superheated or cooled air around him won't make things any easier. So far you have Mags tracking down a being that is faster than light, and that can rip through planets easily, freeze a planet that is NEXT to the Sun while he is inside it. Create heat hotter than the sun itself (which would kill Mags instantly) etc.
Even if Mags could create a wormhole or a red sun, so what? Supes has been INSIDE a red sun, and has flown back to earth under his own power. He's escaped black holes under his own strength.
There isn't any comparison, human reflexes, and endurance. No way to avoid Superman's huge speed, strenght, and endurance advantage.
Mags isn't winning unless Supes just stands there and lets Mags win.
A glacier can be formed around Magneto just fine, but the point you're missing is, it would never actally touch him or his field. If Superman were to surround Magneto with ice around his forcefield and then throw it, it would do absolutely nothing but repel itself from the forcefield on its way into space. It wouldn't take Magneto with it.
I'm basically being nice and accepting a waiver of CIS, something the other non-fanboys refused to accept earlier in the thread. In the comic book, Superman WOULD sit there trying to talk down Magneto. And he certainly wouldn't try to KILL him..that's ridiculous. If Superman were remotely inclined to do half the things you're talking about - basically killing an opponent, he wouldn't be KO'ed by anybody without superspeed...and yet it happens all the time. Blackrock anybody?
Superheated and cooled air mean nothing to someone who is totally insulated within his forcefield. Moot point.
So you've basically got Superman acting totally out of character by trying to murder somebody by freezing them and throwing them into the sun at hundreds of times the speed of light. Yeah, he does that EVERY issue. That's a total disregard for his personality.
What I have Magneto doing, on the other hand, is established and shown. He's inclined to do it because he's ruthless. Despite the detractors, PROVE otherwise to me. I've given you specific story arcs where he's done every single thing I've named here. Name a storyline where Superman has frozen someone and tossed them into the sun before they could think.
So if all of you want to think that *I'm* the unrealistic one here, think again. I have the facts and the references to back up every scenario I've named. Prove me wrong with facts and show me times Superman has ever killed ANYBODY using ANY of the techniques you've described. The answer is - he hasn't. Why? Because it's not in his nature, and if you're not taking personality and character into consideration, then you're not using Superman in this fight. End of story.
Superman doesn't have a real strength advantage, and any other advantage is negated by the fact that he can't penetrate Mag's forcefield. It really comes down to that. Superman cannot penetrate Mag's forcefield. And all the strength and speed in the world won't change that.
Originally posted by Psycho Ninja
If Mags can do all those feats stated by demigawd all at the same time, then why couldnt he just beat the X-Men, instead......... he got his ass whooped everytime.......I'll tell ya why, Its hard to do dat, Mags will need to concentrate real hard, why didnt he just unleash a huge wave of EMP ??
Because its not that easy, he needs to concentrate for a while.......... and thats where he gets killed by the Kryptonian !!!
You obviously don't read many comics with Magneto in them...the X-men really NEVER beat Magneto with brute force. It's almost like Juggernaut, where you have to get off Magneto's helmet then use a sneak psychic attack. Superman, unfortunately, doesn't have psychic powers....so your point is moot.
Magneto didn't have to concentrate at all to use an EMP that blacked out THE ENTIRE PLANET. He just did it. Ditto against Iron Man when he just instantly used an EMP. No concentration required. You should know better.
Originally posted by superman420sexy
dude some of the arguments in favor of magneto were rediculous these people don't understand what superman is capable of he would mess mags up and I love mags lol
Why are they ridiculous? Because he's never done them? He has. So how ridiculous are they? Given that Superman repeatedly gets punched by people without superspeed, and NEVER starts a fight by just speedblitzing before the opponent can register a thought, I'd say Superman has greater burden of proof here.
Sorry fanboys, Superman just doesn't have the energy manipulation or psychic abilities necessary to do anything to Magneto. Superman ain't beating Magneto even IF Magneto just stood there with his shields up.
Originally posted by demigawd
A glacier can be formed around Magneto just fine, but the point you're missing is, it would never actally touch him or his field. If Superman were to surround Magneto with ice around his forcefield and then throw it, it would do absolutely nothing but repel itself from the forcefield on its way into space. It wouldn't take Magneto with it.I'm basically being nice and accepting a waiver of CIS. In the comicbook, Superman WOULD sit there trying to talk down Magneto. And he certainly wouldn't try to KILL him..that's ridiculous. If Superman were remotely inclined to do half the things you're talking about - basically killing an opponent, he wouldn't be KO'ed by anybody without superspeed...and yet it happens all the time. Blackrock anybody?
Superheated and cooled air mean nothing to someone who is totally insulated within his forcefield. Moot point.
So you've basically got Superman trying to murder somebody by freezing them and throwing them into the sun and hundreds of times the speed of light. Yeah, he does that EVERY issue. That's a HUGE stretch.
What I have Magneto doing, on the other hand, is established and shown. He's inclined to do it. Despite the detractors, PROVE otherwise to me. I've given you specific story arcs where he's done every single thing I've named here. Name a storyline where Superman has frozen someone and tossed them into the sun before they could think.
So if all of you want to think that *I'm* the unrealistic one here, think again. I have the facts and the references to back up every scenario I've named. Prove me wrong with facts and show me times Superman has ever killed ANYBODY using ANY of the techniques you've described. The answer is - he hasn't. Why? Because it's not in his nature, and if you're not taking personality and character into consideration, then you're not using Superman in this fight. End of story.
Superman doesn't have a real strength advantage, and any other advantage is negated by the fact that he can't penetrate Mag's forcefield. It really comes down to that. Superman cannot penetrate Mag's forcefield. And all the strength and speed in the world won't change that.
I think you are misunderstanding a point that apparently everyone else in this forum gets. I never said Mags field is frozen itself, although, I don't doubt that its possible for Superman. Mags seals himself in his environment, he doesn't actually create it. After a point, he will need more air, which will burn out his lungs, or freeze them immediately.
Why do you think Supermans victory means death for Mags? Supes does stuff like this all the time. Being tossed through space at a certain speed through space, Mags will eventually KO from lack of oxygen on his trip to the sun. Supes simply goes and brings him back after he's KO'd. This is superman, he's no idiot and does similar things all the time.
For your "facts and references" how about some scans? I can and have proved myself with scans many, many times. CIS is the reason Superman fights only last more than a panel. Lets be realistic here. If I can move moons AND I'm faster than light speed, AND I have vision hotter than the sun, AND near sub zero breath, AND invulnerability to nearly everything, UNLESS there is CIS, my battles last 2 seconds and my book gets cancelled due to boredom.
Hell, Supermans breath alone would be tough for mags to handle. He could blow Mags around the earth bubble bobble style if he wanted to. It's not just freeze breath. His heat vision isn't just some laser, it's also been shown as concussive force, and even as pyrokinesis.
Now YOU are unrealistic. Mags is NOT simultaneously blocking MULTIPLE (as in more than ONE) mountain crushing blows at light speed while blocking out the earths Sun, and creating a wormhole to "toss superman through"... 😆 Who are you arguing for? Parallax?
You're not accounting for BLOODLUST, Demigawd.
And Superman speedblitzes people all the time.
hell in one of his latest issues, last weeks in fact, against all the fire people he tried talking them out of being evil, and then eventually just spun in a circle real fast and whooped em.
lol.
But he's not trying to TALK Magneto of a FORUM fight, you see.
He's going to utilize anything and everything in his powerset for the win.
You're failing in this as you've already moved your arguement into defensive mode, "He has sheilds and Superman doesn't act like that". See how one sided the arguement got? The people who've participated thus far in this thread have given tons of examples of how to beat Magneto and apperently backed you into a corner.
Yes, Magneto has a forcefield, we get that.
But he doesn't have any ATTACKS to hurt Superman.
Your whole deal is based around powerdrain, which doesn't affect him as much as people would like to think.
Likewise the other way around, without specifically holding back, ANYTHING Superman does will kill Magneto. A punch/kick or even a BRUSHING TOUCH can "tear skin like paper and break bones like toothpics", breath[not even a freeze, just the gust can do it], the heat vision.
I just see Superman as way too overwhelming for Magneto. He simply can't act/react fast enough mount any sort of a good offensive. Superman can move interplanetary in moments. He's been to the sun from Earth in under a minute, in combat.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I think you are misunderstanding a point that apparently everyone else in this forum gets. I never said Mags field is frozen itself, although, I don't doubt that its possible for Superman. Mags seals himself in his environment, he doesn't actually create it. After a point, he will need more air, which will burn out his lungs, or freeze them immediately.Why do you think Supermans victory means death for Mags? Supes does stuff like this all the time. Being tossed through space at a certain speed through space, Mags will eventually KO from lack of oxygen on his trip to the sun. Supes simply goes and brings him back after he's KO'd. This is superman, he's no idiot and does similar things all the time.
For your "facts and references" how about some scans? I can and have proved myself with scans many, many times. CIS is the reason Superman fights only last more than a panel. Lets be realistic here. If I can move moons AND I'm faster than light speed, AND I have vision hotter than the sun, AND near sub zero breath, AND invulnerability to nearly everything, UNLESS there is CIS, my battles last 2 seconds and my book gets cancelled due to boredom.
Hell, Supermans breath alone would be tough for mags to handle. He could blow Mags around the earth bubble bobble style if he wanted to. It's not just freeze breath. His heat vision isn't just some laser, it's also been shown as concussive force, and even as pyrokinesis.
Now YOU are unrealistic. Mags is NOT simultaneously blocking MULTIPLE (as in more than ONE) mountain crushing blows at light speed while blocking out the earths Sun, and creating a wormhole to "toss superman through"... 😆 Who are you arguing for? Parallax?
The forum is dominated by Superman fanboys right now - nothing wrong with that. It cycles. In the beginning of the thread, most people supported Superman. In the middle, most supported Magneto, and most of them don't post anymore. Now I guess it's the Supes fanboys time. So just because they "get" it doesn't mean it's correct...it's not.
you keep changing your strategy. YOU said that Superman freezes Magneto in some two mile iceberg and throws him into the sun. Now you're saying...what? That he just freezes Magneto and leaves? What's that going to do? Magneto's field automatically repels everything. Are you trying to tell me that Magneto would run out of air before he can get out of an iceberg? All he has to do is fly through it and the field does the rest....what are you talking about?
Why do I think Superman's victory means death for Mags? Aren't YOU the one saying Superman is going to roast Magneto with heat vision hotter than the sun, or toss him into the sun or whatever other weird crap you have him doing? Aside from the fact that none of that will work, more importantly, Superman just wouldn't do any of that.
I already showed that Magneto has the ability to deal with near lightspeed attacks by Northstar. So that point is moot.
You make my own point....invulnerability to NEARLY everything. It just so happens that some of his vulnerabilities coinicide with magneto's greatest strengths. Don't feel bad...I'm not saying Supeman isn't overall more powerful, but styles make fights, and Magneto's style is just generally incompatible with Superman's strengths. That's why he loses.
The last thing Superman wants to do is run into Magneto or attack him at superspeed. Remember....the field repels everything. Superman launch himself into orbit running into the field. And any heat vision will be reflected back at him immediately. Superman will KO himself with that technique.
Superman just won't be able to penetrate the field before his power goes away. That's why (among other reasons) he loses to Magneto.