Magneto vs Superman

Originally posted by Demas
If Magneto can do even half of what you claim he can do simultaneously, then collateral damage from his speed is the least of the city's worries... but according to you the very premise of the thread is flawed since Magneto would have vaporized the whole city in a blink giving Superman no time to respond in the first place.

And for the record, it is CIS. A man-sized object travelling at c or above would cause collateral damage. But nowhere near enough to hold Superman back as much as he does in the comics.

But taking character personality into consideration - Magneto wouldn't care. Superman would. That keeps Superman to his 90% speed of light and would not keep Magneto from opening up a black hole in the middle of Metropolis.

Big fight. i'd say (despite myself) that Supes takes it. Mags is still an Alpha mutant, after all. Does the fight take place in a city? I'm too lazy to go back and check.

Don't know. This is a merged thread, so responses and scenarios are all over the place.

Here's something else I found. Takes shots effortlessly from She-Hulk AND Thor at the same time. Physical force is NOTHING to him.

Marvel has implied that Magneto is an Omega mutant, not an Alpha mutant. It said it in Deadly Genesis when it called a new mutant threat an Omega mutant on the level of Magneto.

And by the way, this took place before yet ANOTHER power up Magneto had.

Originally posted by demigawd
But taking character personality into consideration - Magneto wouldn't care. Superman would. That keeps Superman to his 90% speed of light and would not keep Magneto from opening up a black hole in the middle of Metropolis.

Isn't that kind of unfair, though? Superman wouldn't be able to utilize all of his powers, while Magneto would...I think the forum fights have no CIS.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Isn't that kind of unfair, though? Superman wouldn't be able to utilize all of his powers, while Magneto would...I think the forum fights have no CIS.

Superman still needs to accelerate, so in any event, he won't even be able to reach the speed of light in an actual battle with Magneto. And, like I said, in any event at all, he wouldn't be able to get through the forcefields.

And that's what it comes down to, folks. Magneto's forcefields have withstood attacks from some of the strongest beings in the Marvel Universe and they've yet to break, not because of how strong they are, but because of the nature of the forcefield's properties. Punching won't help, kicking won't help, heat and cold won't help. And that's about all Superman is good for.

Superman, on the other hand, has no defense against what Magneto can do. Running, at ANY speed, won't help. Hiding won't help. Magneto can just psionically envision Superman, anywhere on Earth, and proceed to drain him. It won't take too long...see how quickly he did it to the Phoenix? Superman has no defense against this.

Magneto can win this and not get out of bed.

You seem to be confused. Either this is a scenario fight or it's a dome fight. In the former, Mags has no knowledge of Supes, whereas Supes is responding to a known threat and a city in distress... that means a blitz from space, or where ever. If the latter, then they both know it's a fight from "Go!", collateral damage is even less of a non-factor, and from 50ft, Supes is ripe with FTL options before Magneto can form a thought or any electrons barely move. In either case, it's Magneto's loss.

Ah, but see, if you're going to introduce the whole "electrons aren't faster than light" concept, then you'd have to acknowledge the idea that Superman wouldn't be able to see when he's flying FTL because his sight, even when enhanced, is based on EM. If he's attacking at FTL speeds, his attacks would have zero mass and thus wouldn't even harm an opponent.

So either apply science to everything, or don't apply it at all. You can't have it both ways.

Back to the issue at hand...Superman, regardless of his speed, won't be able to penetrate the forcefield, and doesn't have the psychic powers or matter manipulation abilities necessary to affect Magneto from within the forcefield. Magneto can quite literally sit there all day and Superman would never beat him.

Superman...

Originally posted by demigawd
Magneto has since developed telepathy anyway.

Originally posted by demigawd
I was able to find a few scans laying around the internet:

Here's an example of Magneto neutralizing the powers of others

<<If he's attacking at FTL speeds, his attacks would have zero mass and thus wouldn't even harm an opponent.>>

what?eer

Mass isn't zero at FTL.

Originally posted by demigawd
Ah, but see, if you're going to introduce the whole "electrons aren't faster than light" concept, then you'd have to acknowledge the idea that Superman wouldn't be able to see when he's flying FTL because his sight, even when enhanced, is based on EM. If he's attacking at FTL speeds, his attacks would have zero mass and thus wouldn't even harm an opponent.

So either apply science to everything, or don't apply it at all. You can't have it both ways.

Back to the issue at hand...Superman, regardless of his speed, won't be able to penetrate the forcefield, and doesn't have the psychic powers or matter manipulation abilities necessary to affect Magneto from within the forcefield. Magneto can quite literally sit there all day and Superman would never beat him.

Moot point.

Problem with this theory is that he's already gone faster than light, in the darkness of space and has still had perfect vision. It doesnt make sense, but since its normal for him, it can be used.

Superman has punched through GL forcefields that have held supernovas. Thats 1 punch. Now add up a couple of those, they don't even have to be light speed, just faster than human perception....and Mags is going down.

I'm glad you provided some scans, but comparing Supermans output to that version of Gambit is ridiculous. In addition, most of the scans don't prove anything for this fight. Another member has already disputed them well, so no need for me to do it.

So far, nothing has been shown that puts Mags in the Herald light you would like the rest of us to see him in.

By the way, do you have anything measuring how strong these galactus and phoenix blasts were? That would be VERY helpful in your case.

i guess we don't REALLY know, but at c mass is infinite. we don't really 'know' what it would be beyond c . . . but why assume zero? certainly going by comic physics that isn't the case, AND people see just fine when they move beyond c.

demi's right in this regard -- leave 'real' science out of it. doesn't equate.

and x, that's a deep, creepy sig . . . fear

Originally posted by demigawd
An example of Magneto creating a hologram and attacking something LONG DISTANCE, without having any kind of visual contact (so Superman being far away or moving at lightspeed won't mean anything).

Magneto could just create holograms of himself for Superman to fight while he chills somewhere else and drains him to his heart's content.

Post the scans of that casue it shows Cyclops and Colossus punchin his shield then Storm shows up and hits his @ss with a cyclone. I'm pretty sure Supermans cyclone would be more vicious than Storms.

Originally posted by demigawd

Magneto could just create holograms of himself for Superman to fight while he chills somewhere else and drains him to his heart's content.

1. Microscopic 2. Vision

Superman can apparently see souls, so I don't think a holograms gonna fool him. ❌

Originally posted by leonidas
i guess we don't REALLY know, but at c mass is infinite. we don't really 'know' what it would be beyond c . . . but why assume zero? certainly going by comic physics that isn't the case, AND people see just fine when they move beyond c.

Originally posted by leonidas
demi's right in this regard -- leave 'real' science out of it. doesn't equate.

Originally posted by leonidas
and x, that's a deep, creepy sig . . . fear

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
How did I know this was coming. 😆

Cyborg knows Supes DNA inside out, he recreates it out of anything. Maybe he figures its too slow or it wont work.

I realize this is about 17 pages back, but I found it hilarious.
Yeah, maybe Cyborg knew that it wouldn't work, or would take to long.

Or...
maybe...
If a powerful villian were played to their full potential they would crush superman, and then lose DC's biggest cash cow.

Maybe.

No one will ever kill superman in a superman comic. The money lost for DC would be tremendous, and they need that cash flow.

Oh, and magneto wins this in less than a thought's time span.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Hey I read that issue. That's the one where Storm sucks the air out of his shield and almost kills him.

Post the scans of that casue it shows Cyclops and Colossus punchin his shield then Storm shows up and hits his @ss with a cyclone. I'm pretty sure Supermans cyclone would be more vicious than Storms.

Originally posted by Juntai
So Storm sucked the air out of him?
If she did it, Superman would have no problem with it.
Simply breath in and/or out.

Then Storm shows up and does the Cyclone trick.