Originally posted by JuntaiOr he could do this.
So Storm sucked the air out of him?
If she did it, Superman would have no problem with it.
Simply breath in and/or out.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Supermanvortexin.jpg
Originally posted by JuntaiOr he could do this.
So Storm sucked the air out of him?
If she did it, Superman would have no problem with it.
Simply breath in and/or out.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Supermanvortexin.jpg
Originally posted by snoopdoggLol, it's hilarious how he just decides to spin in a circle real fast and whoops people.
Or he could do this.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Supermanvortexin.jpg
Originally posted by Soljer
I realize this is about 17 pages back, but I found it hilarious.
Yeah, maybe Cyborg knew that it wouldn't work, or would take to long.Or...
maybe...
If a powerful villian were played to their full potential they would crush superman, and then lose DC's biggest cash cow.Maybe.
No one will ever kill superman in a superman comic. The money lost for DC would be tremendous, and they need that cash flow.
Oh, and magneto wins this in less than a thought's time span.
Damn, I could have sworn that Doomsday did just that... and then there were a few months of Superman titles without Superman in them that sold pretty damn well.
Oh well. Thanks for playing.
Originally posted by demigawd
The forum is dominated by Superman fanboys right now - nothing wrong with that. It cycles. In the beginning of the thread, most people supported Superman. In the middle, most supported Magneto, and most of them don't post anymore. Now I guess it's the Supes fanboys time. So just because they "get" it doesn't mean it's correct...it's not.you keep changing your strategy. YOU said that Superman freezes Magneto in some two mile iceberg and throws him into the sun. Now you're saying...what? That he just freezes Magneto and leaves? What's that going to do? Magneto's field automatically repels everything. Are you trying to tell me that Magneto would run out of air before he can get out of an iceberg? All he has to do is fly through it and the field does the rest....what are you talking about?
Why do I think Superman's victory means death for Mags? Aren't YOU the one saying Superman is going to roast Magneto with heat vision hotter than the sun, or toss him into the sun or whatever other weird crap you have him doing? Aside from the fact that none of that will work, more importantly, Superman just wouldn't do any of that.
I already showed that Magneto has the ability to deal with near lightspeed attacks by Northstar. So that point is moot.
You make my own point....invulnerability to NEARLY everything. It just so happens that some of his vulnerabilities coinicide with magneto's greatest strengths. Don't feel bad...I'm not saying Supeman isn't overall more powerful, but styles make fights, and Magneto's style is just generally incompatible with Superman's strengths. That's why he loses.
The last thing Superman wants to do is run into Magneto or attack him at superspeed. Remember....the field repels everything. Superman launch himself into orbit running into the field. And any heat vision will be reflected back at him immediately. Superman will KO himself with that technique.
Superman just won't be able to penetrate the field before his power goes away. That's why (among other reasons) he loses to Magneto.
Oh so his field repels EVERYTHING ok so I guess he can take out DCU and Marvel universe at the same time since his shield repels everything. He has no weakness and is unbeatable I guess and therefore, Magneto must be god in a hidden form. Lol yeah right. That is the most overpowered statement I have ever heard. "His shield repels everything" Lol Basically like saying "Remember guys, he can't lose. To anything. He i just can't. Remember I am basing my whole statement on this pure fact that his shield repels EVERYTHING! Remember now, his shield REPELS EVVEERRYTHINGGG
hmm, i was doing a bit of checking. demi's mags isn't as current as i thought. i've plenty of xmen stuff with mags. he doesn't have telepathy yet, but most everything else seems to be the same. he has been struck physically many times demi -- and i didn't even look to hard.
when bishop blasted him, he sent him flying through a house -- bishop's power wasn't completely repelled. he staggered mags. later in the same issue, some of the xmen (cyke, iceman, bishop and one other) all blasted him and drove him to his knees and it appeared he was ready to fall until colossus ko'd bishop from behind.
in another issue, rogue kissed him and drained some of his power -- not enough, but some of it.
a sentinel wrapped him in some non-ferrous material and took him right out.
wolvie cut him -- TWICE.
psylocke drove her knife through his head -- psionic yeah, but she needed to get close enough to touch him to do it.
and like i said, i didn't even look very hard. for an auto-shield, it seems to be down often . . .
perhaps it IS as strong as you say, but it does appear (as bishop showed in blasting him through the house) that it CAN be acted upon -- ie pushed with enough force. that lends credence to some of the supes' backers suggestions, and implies that everything is NOT repelled. i could show scans of each of these if i need to, but i'm tired right now.
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Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i was doing a bit of checking. demi's mags isn't as current as i thought. i've plenty of xmen stuff with mags. he doesn't have telepathy yet, but most everything else seems to be the same. he has been struck physically many times demi -- and i didn't even look to hard.when bishop blasted him, he sent him flying through a house -- bishop's power wasn't completely repelled. he staggered mags. later in the same issue, some of the xmen (cyke, iceman, bishop and one other) all blasted him and drove him to his knees and it appeared he was ready to fall until colossus ko'd bishop from behind.
in another issue, rogue kissed him and drained some of his power -- not enough, but some of it.
a sentinel wrapped him in some non-ferrous material and took him right out.
wolvie cut him -- TWICE.
psylocke drove her knife through his head -- psionic yeah, but she needed to get close enough to touch him to do it.
and like i said, i didn't even look very hard. for an auto-shield, it seems to be down often . . .
perhaps it IS as strong as you say, but it does appear (as bishop showed in blasting him through the house) that it CAN be acted upon -- ie pushed with enough force. that lends credence to some of the supes' backers suggestions, and implies that everything is NOT repelled. i could show scans of each of these if i need to, but i'm tired right now.
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If all this is true, then Superman wins by battle field removal with ice breath or punching his field out of earth.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Superman...What? 🤨
See Excalibur #15
Originally posted by leonidas
<<If he's attacking at FTL speeds, his attacks would have zero mass and thus wouldn't even harm an opponent.>>what?eer
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Mass isn't zero at FTL.
any particle which is moving faster and faster, at velocities less than the speed of light (as Superman must accelerate from 0), ends up with more and more kinetic energy. As Superman's velocity approaches the speed of light (c), his energy goes to infinity.
Once Superman's velocity crosses 'c', his energy MUST decrease, because it cannot support FTL speeds with that much energy. As such, the attack becomes weaker, not stronger. So much weaker that it would essentially be transparent....Superman would phase THROUGH his opponent, and not hurt him at all.
But we already agreed to leave the science out of it.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Moot point.Problem with this theory is that he's already gone faster than light, in the darkness of space and has still had perfect vision. It doesnt make sense, but since its normal for him, it can be used.
Superman has punched through GL forcefields that have held supernovas. Thats 1 punch. Now add up a couple of those, they don't even have to be light speed, just faster than human perception....and Mags is going down.
I'm glad you provided some scans, but comparing Supermans output to that version of Gambit is ridiculous. In addition, most of the scans don't prove anything for this fight. Another member has already disputed them well, so no need for me to do it.
So far, nothing has been shown that puts Mags in the Herald light you would like the rest of us to see him in.
By the way, do you have anything measuring how strong these galactus and phoenix blasts were? That would be VERY helpful in your case.
GL forcefields have also been broken by giant sharks (see last month's GL). GL forcefields aren't a good measuring stick because it's completely subject to the will of its user. Magneto's forcefields are based on science and have equal strength at all times.
Wait...are you trying to suggest that Superman punches with the force of a supernova??????
Again, the Gambit scan is just a visual showing of what I explained before - it shows energy being repelled as it comes in contact. Again, because of the nature of the forcefield, the power of the attack is irrelevant, so as far as Magneto is concerned, Jubilee = Superman.
Besides, I also posted Thor and She-Hulk slamming away at Mags forcefield to no effect.
Has for how powerful G's and Phoenix's attacks were....what, you want a measurement? Five psis per unit. There! They're PHOENIX and GALACTUS. It's a little desperate to demand some kind of measurement.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Hey I read that issue. That's the one where Storm sucks the air out of his shield and almost kills him.Post the scans of that casue it shows Cyclops and Colossus punchin his shield then Storm shows up and hits his @ss with a cyclone. I'm pretty sure Supermans cyclone would be more vicious than Storms.
Magneto dropped the forcefield to absorb her lightning. You can see in the graphic that he opened a hole in his forcefield, and reached out to catch the lightning (speed feat!). Since the forcefield was open, she went for the vortex.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Two words for that one.1. Microscopic 2. Vision
Superman's vision is EM based. Superman sees what Magneto WANTS him to see. Or nothing at all.
Originally posted by superman420sexy
Oh so his field repels EVERYTHING ok so I guess he can take out DCU and Marvel universe at the same time since his shield repels everything. He has no weakness and is unbeatable I guess and therefore, Magneto must be god in a hidden form. Lol yeah right. That is the most overpowered statement I have ever heard. "His shield repels everything" Lol Basically like saying "Remember guys, he can't lose. To anything. He i just can't. Remember I am basing my whole statement on this pure fact that his shield repels EVERYTHING! Remember now, his shield REPELS EVVEERRYTHINGGG
It repels everything...except (in and of itself) telepathy. But if you could manipulate the forcefield's energy itself, you could disrupt it. It hasn't been tried, but someone like, say, Surfer could do it. Or even Mjolnir if properly used.
But not Superman. 🙁
read this and you'll find out why superman hasn't got any chance against full potential magnetoMagneto
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Full control over the EM spectrum. By extension of the Unified Field Theory, able to control gravity, strong and weak forces as well
Can generate any form of radiation and light, including kryptonite (good for Superman) or yellow light (good for GLs).
Can create holograms of himself using light control and make himself invisible by bending light around himself
Can control any metallic object, no matter how small, including the iron in beings' blood. This gives him total control over an opponents body, allowing him to tear them apart or put them to sleep or shut off access to their powers
Can control minds using magnetic power and his own latent telepathy
Can see energy patterns and electrical impulses well enough to create and visualize CAT scans and nano-operate on others to modify their behavior or mental makeup
Can control all electrical impulses, including within the human nervous system. Can then destroy anything with a nervous system, as he did to two CL100 beings with power exceeding that of the Hulk
Can block psionic power with electrical fields, rendering telepaths and telekinetics useless
Was able to not only react to, but catch Northstar (99% lightspeed) mid-speedblitz after easily taking all of his blows
Able to generate forcefields capable of withstanding attacks from Galactus and the Phoenix Force
Can control matter at a sub-atomic level by destroying or creating bonds at the electron or proton level. At wide areas, can create atomic destablizing reactions that can cause spontaneous nuclear explosions in the atmosphere and can further the chain reaction to destroy the planet
According to Excalibur #12, does not actually need a body, similar to Iceman. So his body can be destroyed and he'll live as an energy being
Can reverse the polarity of the Earth, destroying it in the process
Can create wormholes and, by extension, blackholes with localized singularities
Can warp time and space to the point of time travel, time manipulation or teleportation
Can create a singularity of infinite mass so great that it collapses the universe
In proximity to Scarlet Witch, he can use her power to alter the multiverse to suit his whims. Or re-start it entirely with himself as Eternity.
Clearly Magneto at his full potential is the most powerful being in the universe.
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i was doing a bit of checking. demi's mags isn't as current as i thought. i've plenty of xmen stuff with mags. he doesn't have telepathy yet, but most everything else seems to be the same. he has been struck physically many times demi -- and i didn't even look to hard.when bishop blasted him, he sent him flying through a house -- bishop's power wasn't completely repelled. he staggered mags. later in the same issue, some of the xmen (cyke, iceman, bishop and one other) all blasted him and drove him to his knees and it appeared he was ready to fall until colossus ko'd bishop from behind.
in another issue, rogue kissed him and drained some of his power -- not enough, but some of it.
a sentinel wrapped him in some non-ferrous material and took him right out.
wolvie cut him -- TWICE.
psylocke drove her knife through his head -- psionic yeah, but she needed to get close enough to touch him to do it.
and like i said, i didn't even look very hard. for an auto-shield, it seems to be down often . . .
perhaps it IS as strong as you say, but it does appear (as bishop showed in blasting him through the house) that it CAN be acted upon -- ie pushed with enough force. that lends credence to some of the supes' backers suggestions, and implies that everything is NOT repelled. i could show scans of each of these if i need to, but i'm tired right now.
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It's a well known fact that the writer's remove a character's powers for the sake of a plot. Superman doesn't speedblitz every opponent, opponents with very human reactions are able to tag Superman.
Superman isn't always written with his bio-aura.
Juggernaut isn't always written with his forcefield.
The Flash has been hit by a guy throwing a boomerang multiple times and DEATHSTROKE.
Dr. Strange has an auto-shield too that even auto-removes toxins from his body. And if he's KO'ed, he auto-travels to the astral plane to continue to attack from there. But 75% of the time, he's not written without that.
So of course there are times all these characters are written without those abilities - Superman is the most guilty of all. Does that mean we disregard them for board battles where there ARE no plot devices or PIS? Of course not.
As you can see, when his forcefield is clearly up (it's in a bubble form)- they've never been broken, and Magneto has never been moved while within them, either. That's what counts, here.
Originally posted by Femi32
If all this is true, then Superman wins by battle field removal with ice breath or punching his field out of earth.
'fraid not. Leo's example of Bishop blasting Magneto was when Magneto didn't have his field up. He had everybody held down by the iron in their blood and was lecturing them. Bishop broke free because his overloaded on Magneto's power and all the energy he stored escaped and hit Magneto, which makes sense, since it's the same EM energy Magneto uses. There's no graphic of his forcefield there at all. It's actually a VERY good durability feat for Magneto, as a lot of people overlook the power of his body armor. He even took the dogpiling by members of X-men, X-factor, X-force and Gen X without his field and was ok.
There's never been a situation where Magneto was moved while within his forcefield.
Originally posted by demigawd
Has for how powerful G's and Phoenix's attacks were....what, you want a measurement? Five psis per unit. There! They're PHOENIX and GALACTUS. It's a little desperate to demand some kind of measurement.
Didn't you just go on about how GL's shields aren't constant? Neither are Galactus or Phoenix blasts.
I put those together purposely because I KNEW you would say these things. A powerful blast or hit from any one of those 2 would take Mags out immediately. We both know that. Desperate is claiming a man can battle a being who is faster than light and can move the earth.
Your whole scenario is based on a nice guy Supes that basically moves in slow motion and lets Mags do whatever he wants. You even try to argue against Supes doing any collateral damage.
Doesn't work that way buddy. Sorry.
Edit: Just for Fun, I'll throw this in. Supes even says he goes easy on creeps...In this issue he was pretty pissed because a child died, and basically stopped caring. If Mags fights Supes in a state like this..he won't last more than a few seconds tops.
Originally posted by demigawdUh... there is no Excalibur #15. Unless you're referring to the Excalibur comprised of Captain Britain et al.
See Excalibur #15
Originally posted by demigawdHypothetical particles moving at faster than the speed of light would have an imaginary number value for their Lorentz factor, and thus under the assumption that c^2 is a constant, would have to have an imaginary number value for their mass if energy is to be a real number. FTL particles lose velocity as they gain energy i.e. they accelerate as they lose energy. They can't decelerate beyond the speed of light just as STL particles cannot accelerate beyond the speed of light. This all being relatively irrelevant.
any particle which is moving faster and faster, at velocities less than the speed of light (as Superman must accelerate from 0), ends up with more and more kinetic energy. As Superman's velocity approaches the speed of light (c), his energy goes to infinity.Once Superman's velocity crosses 'c', his energy MUST decrease, because it cannot support FTL speeds with that much energy. As such, the attack becomes weaker, not stronger. So much weaker that it would essentially be transparent....Superman would phase THROUGH his opponent, and not hurt him at all.
But we already agreed to leave the science out of it.
And yes, we did. But if we do so then you'd pretty much have to eliminate the entire Universal Field Theory extrapolation of Magneto's abilities.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Didn't you just go on about how GL's shields aren't constant? Neither are Galactus or Phoenix blasts.I put those together purposely because I KNEW you would say these things. A powerful blast or hit from any one of those 2 would take Mags out immediately. We both know that. Desperate is claiming a man can battle a being who is faster than light and can move the earth.
Your whole scenario is based on a nice guy Supes that basically moves in slow motion and lets Mags do whatever he wants. You even try to argue against Supes doing any collateral damage.
Doesn't work that way buddy. Sorry.
Edit: Just for Fun, I'll throw this in. Supes even says he goes easy on creeps...In this issue he was pretty pissed because a child died, and basically stopped caring. If Mags fights Supes in a state like this..he won't last more than a few seconds tops.
What's your point? Superman's punches aren't constant either. My point is that no upper limit of what Magneto can take has been reached. GL's forcefield are variable. Magneto's aren't. But I'm damn sure Galactus strikes harder than Superman, lol.
My scenario is based on no such thing. I actually granted you Superman being bloodlusted and acting out of character. And even then...Superman just doesn't have the weapons at his disposal to get around Magneto's forcefield. Yes, we all know that as far as punchers go, nobody hits harder and faster than Superman...but what good is that when your punches are negated? Yes, we all know that Superman's heat vision is hotter than the sun. But what good is that when it's EM-based and your opponent can control EM energy and reflect attack right back at you? Yes, we all know that Superman's super-breath is colder than cold. But what good is that against an opponent who generates a field that instantly electrolyzes it and turns it into harmless oxygen?
As for all Superman's power, that's really all he has. Superman is a master of scale, but not of range. Magneto's scale isn't quite as high, but his range, specifically where Superman's weak points are concerned, are second to none.
Edit: re: the scan - so what? Dark Beast and Xavier both said that as powerful as Magneto is, HE holds back too. He doesn't really even need his body.
