Magneto vs Superman

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It just seems beyond coincidence that these feats occur directly in the lead up to HoM, they occur in a title that has the introductory issues to HoM, they occur in aid of Wanda Maximoff, they're beyond what the character was generally capable before, and they've never been repeated since.

It's pretty selective to take this particular Magneto. The most recent Magneto has no powers. The most recent powered Magneto was HoM Magneto. This Magneto isn't even really "pre-HoM" Magneto. It's just "last few issues of Excalibur" Magneto.

They haven't been repeated since because "since" is Magneto with no powers at all. I don't see your point.

Given the discussion in Excalibur #11, the writer clearly intended these feats to be done by Magneto himself. Otherwise, there's be no point to Dark Beast and Xavier explaining Magneto's true potential and why he's coming into it now.

Originally posted by demigawd
No one has been able to successfully counter my point that Superman cannot penetrate Magneto's forcefield. And unless he can, then this entire excerise is moot.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's unnecessary to. Superman can travel at light speeds. The forcefield is not automatic. Powers that are not automatic must be consciously initiated. Magneto has human durability.

Exactly! ✅

His shield is NOT automatic. How would he bloomin sleep?

Does he constantly roll around as he sleeps, due to being encased in a magnetic bubble?

"Whoops! Watch out - Mags is sleep-rolling again!"

His power is not a natural cell-encasing field like Supes' and it requires thought to activate it.

Thought which he won't have time to process.

Good thread guys, we all know Supes owns Magneto! 😉

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's unnecessary to. Superman can travel at light speeds. The forcefield is not automatic. Powers that are not automatic must be consciously initiated. Magneto has human durability.

Northstar travels at 99% of the speed of light and Magneto's shield was up and ready to deal with it. Galactus attacked without warning in Secret Wars and Magneto's shield deflected the attack.

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Exactly! ✅

His shield is NOT automatic. How would he bloomin sleep?

Does he constantly roll around as he sleeps, due to being encased in a magnetic bubble?

"Whoops! Watch out - Mags is sleep-rolling again!"

His power is not a natural cell-encasing field like Supes' and it requires thought to activate it.

Thought which he won't have time to process.

He can turn it off if he wants to, but in battle situations (like this thread), he's combat ready.

What that means is - could Superman ambush Magneto in his sleep and kill him without his forcefield? Yes. But in a battle scenario, Magneto is at the ready with his forcefield that has reacted to threats instantly.

Wolverine stabbed Northstar.

It's not an automatic power. When Shadowcat is knocked out she is intangible. That is an automatic power. Magneto's forcefield is something he turns on and maintains consciously not something he turns off. As stipulated in the forum rules he does not have it at the fight's start.

Wolverine also survived a nuke. He's godly, and thus doesn't count.

Initial post by thread starter:

Magneto vs Superman

Magneto is recking a city and Superman comes to the rescue.....who would win the man of steel or the man who can bend steel????

Magneto is combat ready. That includes his forcefield

So now that we've established without anymore questions about the reaction time of the forcefield or whatever other kinds of stupid speed tricks that DC supporters love to use...we're back at my original point. Superman doesn't have the powers necessary to get through Magneto's forcefield.

Darkseid? Yes
Silver Surfer? Yes
Thor when he uses the energy manipulating abilities of Mjolnir? Yes
Green Lantern? When written the way the fanboys prefer, they manipulate reality and shatter scientific laws, so yes.

Superman? Absolutely not. And this despite my belief that Superman can beat Thor, or even some GLs. But it's just not in his powerset to do what's necessary to take down Magneto.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to bed now. Thanks for ruining my sleep, bastards. 😉

I can't stand X-Men so I never read their comics, but I'll just ask if absolutely nothing whatsoever can get through Magneto's forcefield, has he ever been defeated by anyone? Or he is simply unstoppable once he gets that bubble up and has never been beat?

Magneto in battle still doesn't have a constant forcefield Rogue jumps up and kisses him in Fatal Attractions.

At fight start he still wouldn't begin automatically with a forcefield. It is not an automatic power, and as stipulated in the forum rules is not on unless prep time is specifically stated in which he can turn it on.

"Neither side may take any offensive or defensive actions before the starting bell."

If anything the scenario gives Superman an element of surprise since he is the one seeking out Magneto. 😬

You're using the default board rules, but the default board rules state, "unless otherwise specified by the thread starter". If Magneto is wrecking a city, he's obviously taking actions before the starting bell. And in combat mode, he's going to have his forcefield up. Does he do it every time in the comics? No...but he does it often enough that it's certainly allowable here, especially considering that the Superman supporters are using the FAR MORE unusual strategy of attacking before the opponent processes as thought. If I can grant out-of-character actions for Superman for the sake of argument, it's only fair that Magneto be allowed something that he has well over 50% of the time. and speaking of which....

Originally posted by Wally West
I can't stand X-Men so I never read their comics, but I'll just ask if absolutely nothing whatsoever can get through Magneto's forcefield, has he ever been defeated by anyone? Or he is simply unstoppable once he gets that bubble up and has never been beat?

Well, that the other 50%. Like all those times Batman beat up Superman. And all those times other non-speedsters have successfully hit and KO'ed Superman.

ok NOW I'm going to bed. And this time I mean it! Dammit

Originally posted by demigawd
You're using the default board rules, but the default board rules state, "unless otherwise specified by the thread starter". If Magneto is wrecking a city, he's obviously taking actions before the starting bell. And in combat mode, he's going to have his forcefield up. Does he do it every time in the comics? No...but he does it often enough that it's certainly allowable here, especially considering that the Superman supporters are using the FAR MORE unusual strategy of attacking before the opponent processes as thought. If I can grant out-of-character actions for Superman for the sake of argument, it's only fair that Magneto be allowed something that he has well over 50% of the time. and speaking of which....

Well, that the other 50%. Like all those times Batman beat up Superman. And all those times other non-speedsters have successfully hit and KO'ed Superman.

ok NOW I'm going to bed. And this time I mean it! Dammit

Demi, Demi, Demi without PIS and CIS Supes just brings to much to the table 🙂 sorry mate.

Speedblitz away🙂

Well can we agree that if for some reason magento had his field up then he would have a chance of winning? Just to get the argument somewhere?

<<Once Superman's velocity crosses 'c', his energy MUST decrease, because it cannot support FTL speeds with that much energy. As such, the attack becomes weaker, not stronger. So much weaker that it would essentially be transparent....Superman would phase THROUGH his opponent, and not hurt him at all.

But we already agreed to leave the science out of it.>>

speculation AT BEST, as it is impossible to attain ftl speeds in the real universe. c'mon demi, let's not start losing it now . . .

and no, you can't even LOGICALLY claim this to be true -- IF ftl speeds WERE attained, it's likely the result of such an event would open an entirely new realm of physics the rules of which we can't even begin to conceive . . .

<<'fraid not. Leo's example of Bishop blasting Magneto was when Magneto didn't have his field up. He had everybody held down by the iron in their blood and was lecturing them. Bishop broke free because his overloaded on Magneto's power and all the energy he stored escaped and hit Magneto, which makes sense, since it's the same EM energy Magneto uses. There's no graphic of his forcefield there at all. It's actually a VERY good durability feat for Magneto, as a lot of people overlook the power of his body armor. He even took the dogpiling by members of X-men, X-factor, X-force and Gen X without his field and was ok.

There's never been a situation where Magneto was moved while within his forcefield.>>

huh? where did it say/show that his field wasn't up? he was in the middle of a battle, why would his shield be down??

Originally posted by leonidas
huh? where did it say/show that his field wasn't up? he was in the middle of a battle, why would his shield be down??

😆

Nice! 😉

In a battlefield situation, Magnetos shields are ALWAYS up! Rofl! 😆

Originally posted by demigawd

It will repel heat vision.

Originally posted by demigawd
'fraid not. Leo's example of Bishop blasting Magneto was when Magneto didn't have his field up. He had everybody held down by the iron in their blood and was lecturing them. Bishop broke free because his overloaded on Magneto's power and all the energy he stored escaped and hit Magneto, which makes sense, since it's the same EM energy Magneto uses. There's no graphic of his forcefield there at all. It's actually a VERY good durability feat for Magneto, as a lot of people overlook the power of his body armor. He even took the dogpiling by members of X-men, X-factor, X-force and Gen X without his field and was ok.

There's never been a situation where Magneto was moved while within his forcefield.

let's exam this more closely, shall we . . .

here we have mags BEFORE he is blasted. he is holding the xmen while bishop is building up power. are you saying that white glow surrounding him is NOT his shield? 😕 must be moonlight reflecting off his armor, eh? 😛

here we have the fateful blast. bishop absorbs enough to break free and unload. if we get really picky, it seem trails of energy are being blown away from mags -- his shield being pushed back . . .?

we see the results either way -- mags is sent flying through the house. shield and mags repulsed. you're saying he survived this sans shield?? i don't think so . . . the skin of his face would have been fried to hamburger. to say he dropped his shield while speaking to x and holding the xmen -- whom he KNOWS are dangerous foes seems silly, or credits mags with so much stupidity that supes wins anyway just because mags is apparently a moron . . .

here is another example -- more apparent energy surrounding him yet rogue lays one on him. he LETS her do this?? 😕 he WANTS his power drained . . .?? 😕

here we have the xmen dog-piling him -- i don't see their attacks being 'reflected', i don't see mags 'filing his nails'. he is on his knees and would have been defeated but for colossus' betrayal of the xmen when he back-attacked bishop and SAVED mags. who, by the way, could not even walk under his own power and had to be carried by colossus . . .

oh, and note that his shield CAN be clearly seen as he is attacked by bishop, then later by the xmen.