Originally posted by leonidasOr he could blast him when Mags is hiding in his shield with ultra powerful heat vision with no known limits like he did to Black Rock when he was in his impenetrable force field.
or i suppose if supes just wants things done quick, he can always wrap himself in non-ferrous material, get some extra then wrap mags up in it. this sentinel took him out without even trying, and later wolvie had to cut mags free of the bindings . . . 🙄
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( If the Black Rock could not take the heat surely Mags could not)
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Or he could blast him when Mags is hiding in his shield with ultra powerful heat vision with no known limits like he did to Black Rock when he was in his impenetrable force field.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Supermanvision.jpg
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( If the Black Rock could not take the heat surely Mags could not)
the ambient heat SHOULD cook him in his shield. but demi will just say that the shield has some sort of 'climate control' since it can keep out the cold of space. and it does act in space which seems more a bs power than a true reflection of mags power.
a shockwave/thunderclap SHOULD work however, and even if it doesn't bring mags down directly, it would stun him and maybe make him drop that 'invincible' shield . . . though if supes went all out on a shockwave it likely WOULD kill mags . . . unless the shield has sound proofing as well and climate-control.
damn, that shield sounds more like a cadillac escalade than a shield . . . 😄
Originally posted by leonidasWell Leo Astronauts space suite can protect them from the cold of space. But I don't think they will protect them from something hotter than the Sun.
the ambient heat SHOULD cook him in his shield. but demi will just say that the shield has some sort of 'climate control' since it can keep out the cold of space. and it does act in space which seems more a bs power than a true reflection of mags power.a shockwave/thunderclap SHOULD work however, and even if it doesn't bring mags down directly, it would stun him and maybe make him drop that 'invincible' shield . . . though if supes went all out on a shockwave it likely WOULD kill mags . . . unless the shield has sound proofing as well and climate-control.
damn, that shield sounds more like a cadillac escalade than a shield . . . 😄
Make sense?
I don't see why this should have gone 30-plus pages. How significant a power upgrade has Magneto been given (when he had Dark Phoenix on her knees) to think he can do more than hold Clark off for a while? The whole iron-in-the-blood thing; a specious incident. And we don't even know if Clark has that; he's an alien, remember?
Superman should win.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well Leo Astronauts space suite can protect them from the cold of space. But I don't think they will protect them from something hotter than the Sun.Make sense?
i wonder if mags has ever fought the human torch or anyone who can bring a lot of heat to bear on him? anyway, i SUPPOSE we must allow that heat IS a form of radiation that mags might be able to deal with and it certainly isn't an argument that demi will buy . . . 🙁
Originally posted by leonidasHe may be able to deal with it but can he deal with huge amounts of it?
i wonder if mags has ever fought the human torch or anyone who can bring a lot of heat to bear on him? anyway, i SUPPOSE we must allow that heat IS a form of radiation that mags might be able to deal with and it certainly isn't an argument that demi will buy . . . 🙁
All while trying to maintain his shield?
Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I don't know Magneto could affect Superman's Aura. You suggest his energy is part of the em spectrum. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I suggest Supes aura manipulates subatomic particles and is in fact working at a deeper level than the Em spectrum. This is based on supes mental (psionic) control of it. Psions are theoretical subatomic particles that interact with reality and can be controlled consciously by the power of will. I suspect Supes aura is more Esoteric than Electromagnetic.
brilliant AND viable, whirly. nice.
oh, and if supes has any doubts, and we use him to his fullest, can someone tell me why he couldn't just use torquasm vo (sp??) to defeat mags? 😕
ok as for the iron in the blood thing. Well even if supes doesn't have iron in his blood mags can still manipulate it because their's water in his blood. If anybody doesn't see this look at supes any time he bleeds, it's liquid. We know from Polaris when she fought iceman and told him that everything has trac metals in it even water. Now if anybody thinks that supes blood doesn't contain water then I have no idea of how to reason with you. Again I give Mags 6 out of 10.
Dude hold on. Mags shiled can't be an instant repeler of everything. Demi sounds like a 2 year old defending his dad in a fist fight. A 2 year old could make up the power of a force field that is an instant auto repeller of everything. It would take at least a 5 year old to think of superman's powers. Come on now the way he talks about magneto is like he is god or something. Superman can go for weeks without having the sun, and still have his powers. I doubt magneto has a shield that is an INSTANT AUTO-REPELLER OF EVERYTHING, AND can create black holes AND drain superman's powers instantly. You might as well call him GODNETO! OR maGODo
I'm sorry even in the rediculous world of superhero's that is just rediculous might as well be magneto vs. superman prime, juggernaut, every incantation of hte hulk, the beyonder, galactus, the living tribunal, franklin richards, thanos with infinity gauntlet, spectre, every shazam and captain marvel, every olympian and asgardian, the destroyer, 1,000,000 celestials, a billion batmen, a billion wolverines, and a billion spidermen. Don't forget imp and the champion of the universe. But his shiled is INSTANT and repels EVERYTHING! OF COURSE MAGNETO WINS!
well superman420 it's not like other people don't make superman=GOD all demi is saying is that when Mags is well writtn he's a lot more powerfull then what a lot of guys think. And I don't care what people think supes is not just going to walk though mages shiled it will take him quite a while is mages is written well.
Originally posted by jasofiscWhen Supes is well written he is alot more powerful than people think also.
well superman420 it's not like other people don't make superman=GOD all demi is saying is that when Mags is well writtn he's a lot more powerfull then what a lot of guys think. And I don't care what people think supes is not just going to walk though mages shiled it will take him quite a while is mages is written well.
Originally posted by jasofisc
well superman420 it's not like other people don't make superman=GOD all demi is saying is that when Mags is well writtn he's a lot more powerfull then what a lot of guys think. And I don't care what people think supes is not just going to walk though mages shiled it will take him quite a while is mages is written well.
Didn't I say supermans powers are comparable to a 5 year old making a win in a fist fight for his dad against another five year old? But his powers don't make him unbeatable like an automatic shield that is an instant automatic repeller of everything. That's not written well that's written by a 2 year old alcoholic
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Once Superman's velocity crosses 'c', his energy MUST decrease, because it cannot support FTL speeds with that much energy. As such, the attack becomes weaker, not stronger. So much weaker that it would essentially be transparent....Superman would phase THROUGH his opponent, and not hurt him at all.But we already agreed to leave the science out of it.>>
speculation AT BEST, as it is impossible to attain ftl speeds in the real universe. c'mon demi, let's not start losing it now . . .
The whole realm of FTL speeds are speculation, I don't get your point. But based on what we currently know, that's the logical conclusion to make. My point was that if you're going to sit there and talk about super-luminal attacks vs. sub-luminal defenses, you have to go all the way and that opens up a whole realm of limitations for super-luminal attacks. That's all.
and no, you can't even LOGICALLY claim this to be true -- IF ftl speeds WERE attained, it's likely the result of such an event would open an entirely new realm of physics the rules of which we can't even begin to conceive . . .
That's equally speculatory, and not really even based on anything except "it exceeds our knowledge". At least my example above is a logical extension of what we do know about the nature of c and the requirements of exceeding it.
<<'fraid not. Leo's example of Bishop blasting Magneto was when Magneto didn't have his field up. He had everybody held down by the iron in their blood and was lecturing them. Bishop broke free because his overloaded on Magneto's power and all the energy he stored escaped and hit Magneto, which makes sense, since it's the same EM energy Magneto uses. There's no graphic of his forcefield there at all. It's actually a VERY good durability feat for Magneto, as a lot of people overlook the power of his body armor. He even took the dogpiling by members of X-men, X-factor, X-force and Gen X without his field and was ok.There's never been a situation where Magneto was moved while within his forcefield.>>
huh? where did it say/show that his field wasn't up? he was in the middle of a battle, why would his shield be down??
He wasn't in the middle of a battle. He was standing there giving them a stern talking to while he thought they were all frozen. Then Bishop broke free. That's why.
