Magneto vs Superman

Started by -Pr-80 pages

sweet jesus @ this thread.

In short:

No, basic knowledge doesn't give Magneto knowledge about Kryptonite. he knows of it's existence, MAYBE, but his ability to recreate it is a long shot.

Also, I'd like to see the interview where he told Lois all about how his powers work.

general knowledge doesn't include red sun. at all.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Supes entire body and powerset is based of an em field his body generates. I'm sure Magneto can analyze that.

Superman doesn't have an electromagnetic field any more than a human does.

Originally posted by carver9
By messing with supes like poloris did.

except Polaris didn't. All his evil, superior female personality could do was slow down a Superman that wasn't even trying to fight.

Epic reaching in this thread on the Magneto side.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Epic reaching in this thread on the Magneto side.
Yes, and it's pathetic.

Pr and I are making some changes. Too much fanboy fueled bias and ignorance has been going on. It stops very soon.

Originally posted by Badabing
Yes, and it's pathetic.

Pr and I are making some changes. To much fanboy fueled bias and ignorance has been going on. It stops very soon.

Surely PR can't ban himself.

ba dum tssh

Originally posted by Mindset
Surely PR can't ban himself.

ba dum tssh

could ban you though...

Would never take.

Like trying to stop a tsunami with a fat lady, funny to watch, but not very effective.

Originally posted by Mindset
Would never take.

Like trying to stop a tsunami with a fat lady, funny to watch, but not very effective.

You'd really miss KMC that much?

Probably not.

Originally posted by Mindset
Probably not.
only one way to find out

Ban chomper.

Originally posted by -Pr-

No, basic knowledge doesn't give Magneto knowledge about Kryptonite. he knows of it's existence, MAYBE, but his ability to recreate it is a long shot.
don't think anyone suggested he could... 😕

Originally posted by Starscream M
don't think anyone suggested he could... 😕

Read back. Don't make me tell you again. uhuh

Originally posted by Starscream M
don't think anyone suggested he could... 😕
Originally posted by -Pr-
Read back. Don't make me tell you again. uhuh
Yeah, us reading the past few pages again may result in warnings, bans and loss of life for some people! g_hulk

Originally posted by Starscream M
don't think anyone suggested he could... 😕
That's EXACTLY what people are suggesting. That he'd be able to recreate the effects based on knowing of Kryptonite's existence and from analyzing a Flesh and blood creature (based off of a scan of analyzing a Non-flesh and blood creature.)

It's like saying you could recreate beethoven's 5th symphony based on analyzing a hacksaw because you know how a drum is made.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's EXACTLY what people are suggesting. That he'd be able to recreate the effects based on knowing of Kryptonite's existence and from analyzing a Flesh and blood creature (based off of a scan of analyzing a Non-flesh and blood creature.)

It's like saying you could recreate beethoven's 5th symphony based on analyzing a hacksaw because you know how a drum is made.

Challenge accepted.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's EXACTLY what people are suggesting. That he'd be able to recreate the effects based on knowing of Kryptonite's existence and from analyzing a Flesh and blood creature (based off of a scan of analyzing a Non-flesh and blood creature.)

It's like saying you could recreate beethoven's 5th symphony based on analyzing a hacksaw because you know how a drum is made.

who specifically suggested it...you said people, so I assume more than one person did. I didn't get that sense.

Now, I did say it was feasible for Magneto to affect Superman's cellular absorption of solar energy.

Originally posted by -Pr-
sweet jesus @ this thread.

In short:

No, basic knowledge doesn't give Magneto knowledge about Kryptonite. he knows of it's existence, MAYBE, but his ability to recreate it is a long shot.

Also, I'd like to see the interview where he told Lois all about how his powers work.

general knowledge doesn't include red sun. at all.

Superman doesn't have an electromagnetic field any more than a human does.

except Polaris didn't. All his evil, superior female personality could do was slow down a Superman that wasn't even trying to fight.

It was in one of the Man of Steel books, iirc. Man of Steel #1 or #2. In the Golden and Silver age I believe it was Lois who wrote the article about Superman, but in the modern post crisis era, if memory serves, I believe it was retconned that Superman actually wrote the article about himself as Clark Kent to give himself a big story for his debut at the Planet (which pissed Lois off because she was top dog reporter).

*edit

And I'm not, for one, suggesting Magneto could make Kryptonite or Red sunlight on a whim (which would be ridiculous), I simply stated that given the general knowledge of DC Earth, pretty much everyone knows that Supes gets his powers from sunlight and that he's a Kryptonian, which in turn would mean Magneto knows that Superman's powers come from an EM energy source (the sun). The criminal element of DC Earth (Supervillains, Intergang, etc) would know about kryptonite and red sun, but their numbers don't constitute enough of the populace to contend it's common knowledge of the general populace, just general knowledge of the criminal community.

Magneto wouldn't know how to create k-nite or a red sun pulse, but he doesnt need them to win. People are going beyond discussing who would take a majority in a fight when factoring in all their powers to try and argue magneto's powers couldn't possibly depower, defeat or kill SM when they most certainly can. This isn't a mismatch at all

It does not matter that SM wasn't fighting back against DP, that scan showed that SM can be affected/depowered by electromagnetic manipulation - the scan doesnt make the exact method clear, but whether it was by hampering the sunlight feed or or screweing SM's energy metabolism, it should be obvious that magneto can reproduce that. Mag's career as an energy (including that of living systems) analyzer and manipulator are proof enough that he can figure SM out and use such attacks. I see no PIS in the feat either, it was just of SM's CIS. The storyline in which polaris was amped by the being at north pole contained some elements of PCIS, but he did nothing that was beyond magneto's average in terms of raw power and multitasking.

Furthermore Superman has other showings of being harmed or depowered by EM attacks like the ones delivered by parasite and coldcast, the latter could and would have killed him with the first blast that hit SM during elite.

Other possibilities for mags involve iron manipulation (I still see no reason why this wouldn't possibly work), TK-like manipulation of brain bloodvessels, creative use of metal and simply blasting SM with all he's got.

None of this means that magneto will necessarily win in a straight fight, but they do show that he can hurt and kill SM.

SM's speed would, as usual, be the main difficulty for mags to handle, but I believe he can do it with a combination of shields, AoE attacks, tactical thinking and multitasking. Like I've said before, this could really go either way.

Originally posted by 753
Magneto wouldn't know how to create knite or a red sun pulse,

He was able to create radiation to beat Proteus. Proteus has vast psionic powers and can warp reality, he was dying when he did it. He can clearly do more complicated tasks when fully fit.

I think GLs have created kryptonite with difficulty and I don't think they can manipulate the EM spectrum like Mags. Also Mags doesn't need to know what it is just find the frequency.

However as we have both pointed out he doesn't need to do that to win, he can manipulate EM in different ways.

Originally posted by 753

Furthermore Superman has other showings of being harmed or depowered by EM attacks like the ones delivered by parasite and coldcast, the latter could and would have killed him with the first blast that hit SM during elite.

Other possibilities for mags involve iron manipulation (I still see no reason why this wouldn't possibly work), TK-like manipulation of brain loodvessels, creative use of metal and simply blasting SM with all he has.

There is also anti-sunlight.

Originally posted by 753

SM's speed would, as usual, be the main difficulty for mags to handle, but I believe he can do it with a combination of shields, AoE attacks, tactical thinking and multitasking. Like I've said before, this could really go either way.

CIS indicates he won't do it straight away and even when hes in serious trouble. He was able to track Cap Marvel moving at lightspeed and was able to do this fairly easily.

He's also done this.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Magneto's feat from Uncannt Xmen #521

After sitting on a mountaintop for over 24 hours, and preventing any physical or telepathic contact with him, we find out what Magneto has been doing.

Moving a planet destroying bullet that is light years away (it's been travelling faster than light for months), in his 'weakened state' is insanely impressive.

One such option is if Superman trys to bullrush him is to try and move away from him at FTL speeds or throw objects at him at that speed. Mags can use speed and other attacks against Superman.

However I can't see anything explicitly on those scans that indicate it's moving FTL. Maybe the poster can provide some more context.

Originally posted by Deadline
He was able to create radiation to beat Proteus. Proteus has vast psionic powers and can warp reality, he was dying when he did it. He can clearly do more complicated tasks when fully fit
I think he actualy manipulated proteus's energy matrix directly with that one.

I agree with the rest of your post though and yes, that bullet was almost planet-sized, it was moving much, much faster than light and it was a crap load of lightyears away. Magneto pulled it back in a a day and that thing left the solar system within minutes after phasing throught earth and was getting exponentially faster and was travelling for months.