Asians: The Most Stereotyped Race on Earth?

Originally posted by wuTa
every race has a stereotype, as long as there is ignorance there are always going to be stereotypes...it sucks but so does life....i dont think asians are the most stereotyped of all the races....you may feel that personally because if you're asian american than i'm betting you had to deal with racism 1st hand, but i would say history says otherwise about asians being the most sterotyped

Perhaps What I believe is that, in the words of Donald G., transmitted through cultural institutions owned, controlled, or supported by various elites, these stereotypes or rather "controlling images" naturalize racism, sexism and poverty by branding Asians as alternately inferiour, threatining, or praiseworthy. These controlling images are part of a system called "psychosocial" dominance. Along with the threat and occasional use of violence, the psychosocial form of control conditions Asian-Americans to become the stereotype. In doing so they reject their own individual and group identity and accept in its stead.

Originally posted by Draco69
I believe that the stereotyping of Asian-Americans is so great that it actually alters their own lives. How they act, what they do for a living, who they marry, their personalities and even their own psychological profiles. Every race does get stereotyped but not to the extent that I believe Asians endure.

I agree. Race is not biological. However societally, psychologically, economically, etc. Race exists.

I think you will find a white woman living in Japan gets the same issue.

Lil- well, you shouldn't be using it in that context, then, because that is not its meaning when applied to humans.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I am giving it in its very basic context - in any case term ''race'' cannot apply to a human.

I completely agree. However its not simply the way it is. If everyone had your perception of race, then we would have near world peace. However race on a broader scale, in the bigger picture, exists.

Too bad you can't take over the world....or can you? 😈

That's nonsense. Stop using the word race and you would only start to use another word instead which would carry the same connotations.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I think you will find a white woman living in Japan gets the same issue.

That may be true. However, I believe that the stereotyping of Asians is so great that even their home country was affected. "Americanization" has forced ideals and perceptions that is not their own upon these people.

Well, in Japan that's actually directly true because of the end of World War II.

I very much doubt you will find that in China or India though.

Originally posted by Ushgarak

Lil- well, you shouldn't be using it in that context, then, because that is not its meaning when applied to humans.

That is the original meaning - biological differance - it was the original intention when the term was introduced in the 19th century - the shifting of term meaning by people, like yourslef, can now argue that ''race'' means many other things, and thus making it somehow ''more acceptable'' to segregate people by ''their race''

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, in Japan that's actually directly true because of the end of World War II.

I very much doubt you will find that in China or India though.

That's true.

China has become enormously "Americanized". We attached to the hip economically. The main use of stereotyping used is media items. Starbucks, movies, Mcdonalds, books, etc.

I don't a whole lot about India.

That's nonsense! The term 'race' comes from an Italian word meaning 'lineage'.

One of its most direct definitions is as such:

"A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. "

Which is actually its PRIMARY use.

That it also has a biological meaning for use with speicies classification is neither here nor there!

Originally posted by Draco69
That's true.

China has become enormously "Americanized". We attached to the hip economically. The main use of stereotyping used is media items. Starbucks, movies, Mcdonalds, books, etc.

I don't a whole lot about India.

Starbucks and MacDonalds etc. is in no way American stereotyping OF Asians causing them to change culturally though, is it? It's just American culture entering into that country, which is entirely seperate.

Your point holds true only if you can show that the traditional US view of Chinese is affecting the way Chinese behave. Which it isn't. In Japan it is, but as I say, that has a more direct cause.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Starbucks and MacDonalds etc. is in no way Ameircan stereotyping OF Asians causing them to change culturally though, is it? It's cust American culture entering into that country, which is entirely seperate.

Your point holds true only if you can show that the traditional US view of Chinese is affecting the way Chinese behave. Which it isn't. In Japan it is, but as I say, that has a more direct cause.

Not necessarily. I believe that American culture is unwittingly dominating Chinese culture. Gender roles are being changed. Right and Wrong are being redefined. Children are being raised with American ideals. This is way China is wary of America. Our culture is highly appealing. Freedom to do whatever you want. China on the other hand actually assigns you what you can and cannot do. Our culture (through media) is so prevalent that Asians are "becoming the stereotype" and are deviating from their own culture.

Originally posted by Draco69
That's true.

China has become enormously "Americanized". We attached to the hip economically. The main use of stereotyping used is media items. Starbucks, movies, Mcdonalds, books, etc.

How are books "Americanized" China? You mean American literature? There is no Americanized at all. Both nations basically exchange their cultures. This is a normal thing for commerce to be established.

Originally posted by Draco69
Not necessarily. I believe that American culture is unwittingly dominating Chinese culture. Gender roles are being changed. Right and Wrong are being redefined. Children are being raised with American ideals. This is way China is wary of America. Our culture is highly appealing. Freedom to do whatever you want. China on the other hand actually assigns you what you can and cannot do. Our culture (through media) is so prevalent that Asians are "becoming the stereotype" and are deviating from their own culture.

But you are arguing a different topic now. That is not 'is American stereotyping of Chinese causing trouble?'.

That is 'Is the global influence of American culture causing trouble'?

Because, almost by definition, the last thing the influence of American culture is going to do is make Chinese LIKE the stereotype, because the stereotype is of someone who DIFFERS from American culture, else the stereotype would not exist.

All it is going to do is make them more like Americans, which is nothing like the stereotype.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
But you are arguing a different topic now. That is not 'is American stereotyping of Chinese causing trouble?'.

That is 'Is the global influence of American culture causing trouble'?

Because, almost by definition, the last thing the influence of American culture is going to do is make Chinese LIKE the stereotype, because the stereotype is of someone who DIFFERS from American culture, else the stereotype would not exist.

All it is going to do is make them more like Americans, which is nothing like the stereotype.

That's not what I meant. Sorry it's early over here. What I meant is that the "Americanization" has caused a "psychosocial dominance" over people of Asian descent. They are actually becoming the stereotypes that American culture assigns people of Asian descent.

I don't see Starbucks and MacDonalds as evidence of that though- only of American culture becoming apparent there in its own right.

Can you give me examples of what you describe in ction? I am not necessarily denying it, I just have not seen evidence of it.

Originally posted by WindDancer
How are books "Americanized" China? You mean American literature? There is no Americanized at all. Both nations basically exchange their cultures. This is a normal thing for commerce to be established.

There's an enormous amount of "Americanization". People are trading or otherwise completely dropping their own culture and ideals for OUR culture and ideals. This comes with a reconstruction of gender roles and societal roles. Commerce is being established but their impact on us is wholly low (anime cartoons) while ours is much higher (The Square incident).

Originally posted by Ushgarak
That's nonsense! The term 'race' comes from an Italian word meaning 'lineage'.

One of its most direct definitions is as such:

"A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. "

Which is actually its PRIMARY use.

That it also has a biological meaning for use with speicies classification is neither here nor there!

Race in humans is sociologicaly constructed - it has been given the name ''race'' to feel superior - white. Physical characteristics like skin colour, eye colour, har colour and the rest cannot separate person in a differnt race.

Are all black persian cats differnt race to all black persian cats?

Or perhaps you should just read James King's Biology of Race...

I'll stick with solid English definitions, thanks, and to refute your nonsencial claim that the term was originally used in the 19th century when it does in fact date from Roman times- and most likely earlier- to identify obvious differing traits between humans which we can now identify as being caused by genetics.

To put it another way- you are talking cobblers again, and again have tried to slander me with this comment:

"people, like yourslef, can now argue that ''race'' means many other things, and thus making it somehow ''more acceptable'' to segregate people by ''their race''"

Which is just another example of the hasty, ill-thought, intolerant and, frankly, immoral comment you tend to throw out in this kind of discussion.

The term used, throughout history, to refer to the genetic differences between different types of Humans IS 'race'- and as I say, the term originally meant 'lineage', and only became applied to animals and biology thousands of years later when evolution came into vogue.

So there is nothing remotely wrong in using it in its proper context- as this discussion is doing.

Seriously though when you think about it much can be said for the majority of other cultures.
Blacks, Native Americans, Hispanics
I mean we all kinda know of the Blacks plight in this country. Sad as it is and still the struggle they are now enduring. Still second class citizens.
Most Whites would beleive that Blacks got a good deal outta all of this.
Hispanics pretty much same as Blacks maybe a step higher.
But the Native Americans people they have been violated, raped, ravaged and humiliated. I mean no offense to Asians because I know during the Great Frontier era( cowboy and Indians and railroad time) Asians were severly oppressed in this country but Native Americans have been through so much, that to begin making amends would take a lifetime. Has anybody ever been to a Reservation before?
It's sickening and unholy.
It's makes the urban ghettos and projects look like a country club.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I don't see Starbucks and MacDonalds as evidence of that though- only of American culture becoming apparent there in its own right.

Can you give me examples of what you describe in ction? I am not necessarily denying it, I just have not seen evidence of it.

My argument is that the cultural images (i.e. movies, books, etc.) has sparked an internalization and renunciation of these said stereoypes have shaped sexual and gender politics within Asian America. I admit we got enormously offtopic but this is where it begins anew.

There are numerous controlling media images that reconstruct the societal role of Asian Americans: Yellow Peril, the model minority, the Dragon Lady and the China Doll.

The contemporary model-minority stereotype, for example, emasculates Asian American men as passive and malleable. Disseminated and perpetuated through the popular media, Asian men are decipited as sometimes brillant but completely lacking masculine heterosexual prowess. The most common example for this is the Fu Manchu character.