Anti-Illegal Immagration is Racisim?

"Anti Immagration is base racisim" was yelled back and forth on FoxNews earlier, and AHnaLd was called a racist for supporting the minutemen at the CA borders.
I'm the last person to be considered a pawn for the liberal left and what not, but I tend to agree with this statement.
The "minute-men" really were waiting for a reason to kick the immagrants out of their state.
Now they found a legal reason.
Immagrants mean change, no one wants change, therefore no one other than certain few want immagrants. It's the way it is.

Would you come here illegally if you were from mexico?
I sure as hell would.
Would you kick illegal immagrants out of your state ala "minutemen"?
I sure as hell would.

What do you say??

I've been watching this story. It's total bullshit. Arnold isn't a racist, he's a public official that has the best interest of his constituants in mind. Illegal immigrants are a huge drain on the economy. Here in California, it's into the double digit billions of dollars. The people who are complaining about this should get their priorities straight. I mean, how could Arnold be against immigrants? He is one! But, the difference is that he came here legally.

Certain immigrants do qualify for refugee plans. For example Cubans who escape from Fidel's island by boat are candidates for residence (sp?) in the States. Immigrants who just cross the boarder in search of better wages or maybe a better life should file papers with immigration as soon as possible. They most likely be given work permits to work and possibly a chance for residency. In a few years they can apply for citizenship.

All I ask is that immigrants shouldn't be label as troublemakers or criminals. Is wrong and stupid to label all immigrants as a problem. Next time you're eating vegetables in your dinner table remenber...someone pick those up from the fields and is making less than an average whitecollar worker.

Mistreatment of illegal immigrants is one thing that really gets on my friggin nerves.

illegal immigrants are not a strain on our economy. the people who hire them and create the demand however, are. usually white upper-middle class americans. erase the demand, you eliminate the supply. vice-versa doesn not work. illegals provide dirt-cheap labor, they risk their lives to get here, get paid horribly, and are worked to the bone. people think of mexicans and they picture some lazy guy with a big moustache a sombrero spending 16 hours a day taking a siesta in the shade. the truth is their lives suck and they try to make the best of it. if any of you were in their shoes you would be stowed away in the first 130degree trailer you could find and be on your way to america.

they cant work and support their families at home, so they go where there is opportunity. people bash on them as if they are stealing our luxuries. bullshit. they are the ones who clean up shit, sweat in factories, and do various other unholy jobs that most people cant be bothered with. its just another abstract 'problem' for people to shake their heads at, but never understand

Originally posted by WindDancer
Certain immigrants do qualify for refugee plans. For example Cubans who escape from Fidel's island by boat are candidates for residence (sp?) in the States. Immigrants who just cross the boarder in search of better wages or maybe a better life should file papers with immigration as soon as possible. They most likely be given work permits to work and possibly a chance for residency. In a few years they can apply for citizenship.

All I ask is that immigrants shouldn't be label as troublemakers or criminals. Is wrong and stupid to label all immigrants as a problem. Next time you're eating vegetables in your dinner table remenber...someone pick those up from the fields and is making less than an average whitecollar worker.

Mistreatment of illegal immigrants is one thing that really gets on my friggin nerves.

I'm not really referring to Cubans. I understand that they are fleeing a tyranical regime. But, you know what, I don't think they should be given a blank check as far as immigration is concerned. There are a lot of questionable governments out there, and we don't give them all teh benefit of "hey, once you make it here, you can stay." I feel that they are given such preference because the US still likes to shoot Castro the middle finger. But, there has to be rules. And Arnold shouldn't be given shit for asking they be enforced.

And I'm not into abuse of illegal immigrants, but there is a process to becoming a citizen of the US.

And I agree, most illegal immigrants are likely law abiding citizens. They came here with the hopes of a better life, why would they contribute to turning this country into what they're trying to get away from.

And I agree, most illegal immigrants are likely law abiding citizens. They came here with the hopes of a better life, why would they contribute to turning this country into what they're trying to get away from

Actually, no Mexican illegal immagrants who are here are law abiding citizens, otherwize they'd be back in good old Mexico.

This shows they care more for themselves than they do our laws, it shows that they have another interest than making this country better (could it be to make their OWN country better by leetching off ours? hmmmm...its a MYSTERY!) do you want those types of people in your town? I don't.

illegal immigrants are not a strain on our economy.

Bullshit and you know it. Don't confuse your empathy towards your fellow humans as facts.

Next time you're eating vegetables in your dinner table remenber...someone pick those up from the fields and is making less than an average whitecollar worker.

Actually, you're wrong.
It's estimated (can't be sure because the fact that II's are illegal and hide) that 95% of illegal immagrants from mexico send their money back to mexico, comparatively sending the average wage of an American back to Mexico due to high exchange rates.

These are hard facts, even so, my empathy does still push me toward wanting to allow II's into america freely.
It's all very hard to just thrust to one side or another.

Originally posted by long pig
Actually, no Mexican illegal immagrants who are here are law abiding citizens, otherwize they'd be back in good old Mexico.

There's no need to split hairs with me. You know very well what I'm talking about. But, I did walk into that one.

Illegal immigrants - wherever they are, should not be there. They can be refugees, but of course illegal immigrant and a refugee are tw dfferent things.

Illigal immigrants are drain on the economy - not only around US, but everywhere.

This sounds like...a liberal viewpoint.

Originally posted by FeceMan
This sounds like...a liberal viewpoint.

Which one?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
There's no need to split hairs with me. You know very well what I'm talking about. But, I did walk into that one.

I was considering that the imagrants were using American empathy and guilt (i.e we have so much, they have so little.) against us.

Would I use American guilt/empathy to my advantage as an imagrant, if I were one? Of course.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Which one?

Or maybe he wasn't.
Who knows, he probably wouldn't admit it now either way would he?

Originally posted by long pig
Who knows, he probably wouldn't admit it now either way would he?

Yeah, I think he will.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
And I'm not into abuse of illegal immigrants, but there is a process to becoming a citizen of the US.

And I agree, most illegal immigrants are likely law abiding citizens. They came here with the hopes of a better life, why would they contribute to turning this country into what they're trying to get away from.

Yes and I agree that they must go through the process. That is why I support work permits for illegal immigrants. With a fair record and good conduct they should be also given a chance for residency and citizenship. It all depends on their civil record.

Originally posted by long pig
Actually, you're wrong.
It's estimated (can't be sure because the fact that II's are illegal and hide) that 95% of illegal immagrants from mexico send their money back to mexico, comparatively sending the average wage of an American back to Mexico due to high exchange rates.

What is wrong with sending money to your family members in your native country? And what deficit could that cost? An illegal immigrant makes LESS than the minimum wages of an average citizen. These people come to work on the fields. How are they taking away our jobs? How can you say that these immigrants are costing us money when they are actually doing the hard work out there? Is plain low wages labor. They earn a few dollars and they send it back to Mexico. With the exchange that is more money for the families. If they were making millions of dollars and sending the money down south you might have a case. But that is not happening at all.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Yes and I agree that they must go through the process. That is why I support work permits for illegal immigrants. With a fair record and good conduct they should be also given a chance for residency and citizenship. It all depends on their civil record.

But what about Cuban immigrants? Don't you think they have an unfair advantage? I know that some citizens of Cuba are caught trying to enter the US by boat and are sent back before they reach the shores, but there is a precident that they are allowed to stay once they reach the shores of the US. That's wrong in my opinion. In fact, that Gonzales kid was one of the few that have ever been sent back. At least that I'm aware of.

What is wrong with sending money to your family members in your native country? And what deficit could that cost? An illegal immigrant makes LESS than the minimum wages of an average citizen. These people come to work on the fields. How are they taking away our jobs? How can you say that these immigrants are costing us money when they are actually doing the hard work out there? Is plain low wages labor. They earn a few dollars and they send it back to Mexico. With the exchange that is more money for the families. If they were making millions of dollars and sending the money down south you might have a case. But that is not happening at all.

What is wrong with it is it takes money away from America, maybe even being used against it somehow in the future.

A few thousand working illegally and sending money back home wouldn't bother me, but Ten Million in Cali alone bothers me. That's just the number they could find, who knows how many more million are in Cali or the rest of the country.

And it's only growing. That doesn't bother you that you're own tax money is being used to upgrade a failing country that isn't your own? And possibly the money could be used against you in the future??
I understand empathy I seriously do. But after a while empathy gets used against you...as it is in the US now.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
But what about Cuban immigrants? Don't you think they have an unfair advantage? I know that some citizens of Cuba are caught trying to enter the US by boat and are sent back before they reach the shores, but there is a precident that they are allowed to stay once they reach the shores of the US. That's wrong in my opinion. In fact, that Gonzales kid was one of the few that have ever been sent back. At least that I'm aware of.

I really don't know the specifics in all cases. But there must be a reason as to why they turn them down. Is hard to speculate in each case. But I do think they have unfair advantages. Also, remenber that certain Cuban deserters (using the term losely) don't head straight to Miami. Certain Cuban immigrants take their route towards Mexico and then to the US.

As for that Gonzales kid....that was just a big Political and Media circus. I'm sure the family that took care of kid during his time in America will try to get him back here when he reaches a legal adult age.

Originally posted by long pig
A few thousand working illegally and sending money back home wouldn't bother me, but Ten Million in Cali alone bothers me. That's just the number they could find, who knows how many more million are in Cali or the rest of the country.

And it's only growing. That doesn't bother you that you're own tax money is being used to upgrade a failing country that isn't your own? And possibly the money could be used against you in the future??
I understand empathy I seriously do. But after a while empathy gets used against you...as it is in the US now.

I agree. But, even legal immigrants are sending money back to their country of origin. The only way that is going to stop is if we close the borders and discontinue our policy of allowing legal immigrants to enter this country and become citizens. However, I do think that you have to start somewhere, and it might as well be with those who are in this country illegally.

And the money being sent back to these countries is only a small percentage of the money being used against us. I'm willing to bet that more money is used against us from our use of illegal, imported drugs. But, that's why Marijuana should be legal. It would bring in huge revenues for the US economy, and curb the funding of anti US activities around the world. But, I know, there's another thread for that debate.

Originally posted by PVS
illegal immigrants are not a strain on our economy.

Originally posted by long pig

Bullshit and you know it. Don't confuse your empathy towards your fellow humans as facts.

Originally posted by PVS
illegal immigrants are not a strain on our economy. the people who hire them and create the demand however, are. usually white upper-middle class americans. erase the demand, you eliminate the supply. vice-versa doesn not work.

its really annoying when you take the first sentence of someone's arguement out of context and offer a response like that? if you have no points to argue against mine then perhaps you should just glaze over my post to the next. nothing personal, but that was lame

I personally like the fact that we have immigrants in America. They do the jobs Americans dont want, and therefore help the economy grow.

it sounds harsh, but hey as long as im not the one cleaning toilets at the ho jo's