Anti-Illegal Immagration is Racisim?

Originally posted by pr1983
no... i know there are alot of people who do come over and work their asses off...

but i do feel that too many choose the other route (over here anyway)...

what i meant was that illegals over there seen to have a much easier time in invading the community. thats the only reason i can think of. or else, why would they bother coming all that way just to be a criminal?

mexicans dont have to cross the boarder to rob americans. there are plenty of tourist spots in their own country where they would be far more successful if they chose to go down that road.

dispite a previous poster denying the problems in amsterdam, i have seen it first-hand and im sure there are plenty here who know as well. illegals just hanging out along the streets harassing tourists and locals alike. first they offer drugs (which they probably dont have) when refused they ask for a handout. when refused they then threaten you and/or pickpocket you. i cant see how he can deny this since they infest the city like frikin roaches.

Originally posted by PVS
what i meant was that illegals over there seen to have a much easier time in invading the community. thats the only reason i can think of. or else, why would they bother coming all that way just to be a criminal?

mexicans dont have to cross the boarder to rob americans. there are plenty of tourist spots in their own country where they would be far more successful if they chose to go down that road.

i wasnt talking neccessarily about being criminals... just sponging off the state...

dispite a previous poster denying the problems in amsterdam, i have seen it first-hand and im sure there are plenty here who know as well. illegals just hanging out along the streets harassing tourists and locals alike. first they offer drugs (which they probably dont have) when refused they ask for a handout. when refused they then threaten you and/or pickpocket you. i cant see how he can deny this since they infest the city like frikin roaches.

any country with illegal immigrants has that problem, just in different scales and amounts... even the usa has some i'd say...

(((Sheriff Baca points out, "California, essentially, lost its sovereignty. There are 40,000 illegal immigrants in the state prison system here. Twenty-three percent of the county jail population in Los Angeles county are illegal immigrants and what we have is a revolving door."😉)))

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hhhhmmmm PVS, illegal aliens are really peace loving law abiding people that are only here to work and not here to commit crimes eehh??

(((California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly $9 billion each year, according to a new report released last week by the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes stricter immigration policies.

Educating the children of illegal immigrants is the largest cost, estimated at $7.7 billion each year, according to the report. Medical care for illegal immigrants and incarceration of those who have committed crimes are the next two largest expenses measured in the study, the author said.))))

(((((In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

In 2000, nearly 30 percent of federal prisoners were foreign-born. )))))

Wow PVS, so much for your assessment there huh? I told ya you keep talking like that and i will bring up things called facts and statistics, not just hot air and false generalizations like all illegal aliens are here to work.
Think about it. 95 PERCENT OF HOMOCIDE WARRENTS ARE FOR ILLEGALS!!!!
How many family members of citezens have been buthered for the sake of your cheap labor for your nice clean toilet?
Yea sure, hire a citizen here you might have to pay more, one less vacation for the CEO this year, boohoo. But its well worth the cost of not having blood on your hands.
Legal immagration is fine but YOU MUST secure the border.

dispite a previous poster denying the problems in amsterdam, i have seen it first-hand and im sure there are plenty here who know as well. illegals just hanging out along the streets harassing tourists and locals alike. first they offer drugs (which they probably dont have) when refused they ask for a handout. when refused they then threaten you and/or pickpocket you. i cant see how he can deny this since they infest the city like frikin roaches.

I regularly go to Amsterdam and I have never been robbed, strange seeing as you say it happens a lot and I go there almost every week or so. Of course somebody did once offered me drugs i said no walked on nothing happened. Besides if i want drugs there I'll go into a coffee shop thats were those things are for.

Originally posted by moviejunkie23
(((Sheriff Baca points out, "California, essentially, lost its sovereignty. There are 40,000 illegal immigrants in the state prison system here. Twenty-three percent of the county jail population in Los Angeles county are illegal immigrants and what we have is a revolving door."😉)))

read^
hhhhmmmm PVS, illegal aliens are really peace loving law abiding people that are only here to work and not here to commit crimes eehh??

(((California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly $9 billion each year, according to a new report released last week by the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes stricter immigration policies.

Educating the children of illegal immigrants is the largest cost, estimated at $7.7 billion each year, according to the report. Medical care for illegal immigrants and incarceration of those who have committed crimes are the next two largest expenses measured in the study, the author said.))))

(((((In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

In 2000, nearly 30 percent of federal prisoners were foreign-born. )))))

Wow PVS, so much for your assessment there huh? I told ya you keep talking like that and i will bring up things called facts and statistics, not just hot air and false generalizations like all illegal aliens are here to work.
Think about it. 95 PERCENT OF HOMOCIDE WARRENTS ARE FOR ILLEGALS!!!!
How many family members of citezens have been buthered for the sake of your cheap labor for your nice clean toilet?
Yea sure, hire a citizen here you might have to pay more, one less vacation for the CEO this year, boohoo. But its well worth the cost of not having blood on your hands.
Legal immagration is fine but YOU MUST secure the border.

until you can post a credible source thats all just 'blah blah PVS blah blah' to me
well? lets have it.

"Yea sure, hire a citizen here you might have to pay more, one less vacation for the CEO this year, boohoo. But its well worth the cost of not having blood on your hands"

ahh, so underneath all the petty jabs we agree after all? supply/demand

what i've been saying the whole time is that illegals are not the cause,
but rather the symptom. and although you just cant accept it, wealthy people (mostly white!!! fear) are the cause. they are the ones that hire them and give them a REASON to jump the boarder. but why dont we go after them? which brings us to racism.

of coarse i'm sure things are different overseas, as most of us understand. i refer to the problem in america.

Originally posted by IceWithin
I dont get it 😮

Michael Howard aka Hecht leader of the Conservative Party....

remember how his cynical tactics earned him the buzzword "racist?"

Originally posted by PVS
what i meant was that illegals over there seen to have a much easier time in invading the community. thats the only reason i can think of. or else, why would they bother coming all that way just to be a criminal?

Becoming a criminal as an immigrant, that is CERTAINLY not true for the most part. But....

this article from my hometown about its gang activity and the influence from immigrants

...Is quite disturbing. My hometown is Gainesville, GA, which was the city Bush mentioned in one of his speeches last year as something or another to do with the hispanic community. It's one of the top cities in the country that Mexican immigrants flock to. I have heard that there are signs in some parts of Mexico that read (and I paraphrase), "Want work? Go to Gainesville, GA."

Just to sum up a part of the article in case you didn't feel like reading it (it's very long),

Since 1997, Latino gangs have “sky rocketed” in Gainesville/Hall County. To this date gangs in the County are as follows:
SUR 13 Southern Mexico/Marijuana (Mexican);
BSV13 Brown Society “Vatos” (Mexican);
PACHUCOS 21 (Hispanic);
PLC 21 Pure Latin Crew (Mixed Hispanic/White/Black);
VATOS LOCOS (Hispanic);
KES Killing Every Spot (Hispanic);
18th STREET Mega-Gang out of California (Hispanic);
MS 13 Mara “Salvatrucha” (El Salvadorian gang controlled from the East Coast);
BOE 23 “Bustin” On Everybody (Hispanic/White/Blacks-newly created), (Amerling, 2000).

Originally posted by pr1983

ireland in the last ten or so years has had a massive influx of immigrants (both legal and illegal) and refugees mainly from asia, africa and eastern europe...

why the hell would asians want to go to ireland?? I mean seriously of all the places....

Originally posted by PVS
until you can post a credible source thats all just 'blah blah PVS blah blah' to me
well? lets have it.

"Yea sure, hire a citizen here you might have to pay more, one less vacation for the CEO this year, boohoo. But its well worth the cost of not having blood on your hands"

ahh, so underneath all the petty jabs we agree after all? supply/demand

Look it up yourself. If your so wise on the issue maybe you should have come across this data yourself. If you really want me to look up the sources again for you to check it out I will, but i would appreciate it if you were a little bit more involved in seeking out this information for yourself since your so determined to take a side without any facts.

And no we don't agree PVS. I was using sarcasm. No amount of blood is worth cheap lettuce picking. I guess it doesn't matter to you the pain and suffering that has taken place because of the open border situation at the hands of criminals that have taken advantage of this. It really doesn't matter as much that there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of victims of crimes at the hands of illegal criminals each year as long as you don't have to pay that extra quarter for your lettuce when you go shopping. Petty jabs? We are talking about peoples lives here.

You did have one point I agree with. A big part of the responsibility is on the shoulders of the business' that hire these illegal immagrants knowing full well that they are not legal do to their greed. I agree with you on that 100 percent.

i dont think the problem of crime is illegals entering the country, its the fact that there needs to be a law enforcement crackdown on the criminals that cross over. there are plenty of hard working immigrants in this country illegally, and mainly its just because they are in desperate need of money and there's too much government red tape. I have no problem with them.

however, the criminals that decide to waltz on over through a hole in the fence i do have a problem with. there needs to be more cooperation and communication between the domestic and foreign naturalization government branches, so we can track and deport criminals who do nothing more than create problems, back to where they belong.... their own country and in jail

oh yeah and moviejunkie, if you have a problem with my belief in allowing immigrants to take jobs that americans dont want... think about this....

do you think they would rather be back in their home country starving to death, or here in america making some money, and supporting their family. They left for a reason, and its not because they weren't getting their corporate fringe benefits

It amazes me that we are 3 pages into this and noone has mentioned the devastating impact illegal immigrants have had on our medicare/medicade and social security systems!!
I AM NOT racist, and living in Georgia (which , as stated above, has one of the fastest growing population of illegals) I have worked and lived around MANY admittedly illegal aliens. How can anyone possibly defend them as law-abiding when they are here ILLEGALLY in the first place???
If our unemolyment rate country-wide was less than 1% this might be a different story...but that is simply not so.

Originally posted by moviejunkie23
Look it up yourself. If your so wise on the issue maybe you should have come across this data yourself. If you really want me to look up the sources again for you to check it out I will, but i would appreciate it if you were a little bit more involved in seeking out this information for yourself since your so determined to take a side without any facts.

no! if you quote an article its YOUR responsibility to give the source. if not, thats plagiarism at worst and misinformation at best. so either provide the source or you are in the wrong on this one based solely on principle.

Originally posted by moviejunkie23
And no we don't agree PVS. I was using sarcasm. No amount of blood is worth cheap lettuce picking. I guess it doesn't matter to you the pain and suffering that has taken place because of the open border situation at the hands of criminals that have taken advantage of this. It really doesn't matter as much that there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of victims of crimes at the hands of illegal criminals each year as long as you don't have to pay that extra quarter for your lettuce when you go shopping. Petty jabs? We are talking about peoples lives here.

"hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of victims" all a part of your mysterious statistics which i still await a source for.

Originally posted by moviejunkie23
You did have one point I agree with. A big part of the responsibility is on the shoulders of the business' that hire these illegal immagrants knowing full well that they are not legal do to their greed. I agree with you on that 100 percent.

yes

Originally posted by moviejunkie23
Yea sure, hire a citizen here you might have to pay more, one less vacation for the CEO this year, boohoo.

and yes

well, then you agree with what i SAID you agree with!!!! really wtf? why dont you focus on the topic instead of trying to put PVS in his place, since it's clearly clouding your vision and ability to read what i say. would be helpful and we might actually get somewhere.

Pure Evil

Registered: Jun 2004
Location: The Dark Side
what i've been saying the whole time is that illegals are not the cause,
but rather the symptom. and although you just cant accept it, wealthy people (mostly white!!! ) are the cause. they are the ones that hire them and give them a REASON to jump the boarder. but why dont we go after them? which brings us to racism."

Thats what you said and i replied with this

You did have one point I agree with. A big part of the responsibility is on the shoulders of the business' that hire these illegal immagrants knowing full well that they are not legal do to their greed. I agree with you on that 100 percent.

Where are you getting lost?

anyway i have to head to class. When i get home i will post the statistics for you. Just for you PVS 😄

PS sorry if i have sounded confrontational, I will be more constructive in the post tonight. Afterall we are not enemies we are just having a meeting of two different minds.

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The thing that pisses me off about the whole illegal immigration issue is the fact that there are millions of illegal immigrants employed in the US. If we're so concerned about keeping our borders closed, why do we hire these people? We're practically inviting them over because of companies that employ them by the thousands, often for laughable wages. 🙄

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Illegal immigrants - wherever they are, should not be there. They can be refugees, but of course illegal immigrant and a refugee are tw dfferent things.

Illigal immigrants are drain on the economy - not only around US, but everywhere.

People complain about hiring immigrants.

Well, imagine a country at extreme opposite ends of the labor wage market. Oh, you don't have to imagine one. It already exists.

Union members make laughable wages that are ridiculously higher than they should be - even with the higher standard of living in some areas.

Illegal immigrant workers make laughable wages that that are ridiculously lower than they should be, but seem ridiculously higher to them in all relativity.

Considering that many companies are faced with the first scenario, and if they're not many of their competitors are,
Can you guess which scenario companies would want to implement????

Originally posted by Darth Plagueis
It amazes me that we are 3 pages into this and noone has mentioned the devastating impact illegal immigrants have had on our medicare/medicade and social security systems!!
I AM NOT racist, and living in Georgia (which , as stated above, has one of the fastest growing population of illegals) I have worked and lived around MANY admittedly illegal aliens. How can anyone possibly defend them as law-abiding when they are here ILLEGALLY in the first place???
If our unemolyment rate country-wide was less than 1% this might be a different story...but that is simply not so.

It isn't that no one has thought of it. I tried looking up different statistics on the net. However, everytime I look up one point of view, there is another article that disputes it. One point of view is that the immigrants aren't really a burden on those two systems. It said that so many illegals pay in to social security, but never take the pay off. And then the article said that the same was true of medicare. For every article that had one point of view, there were two that disproved it.

My hometown is in North Carolina. The south eastern part of the country has the fast growing illegal immigrant population in the nation, especially North Carolina. They go there because of the tobacco fields.

And the unemployment rate has been discussed. Even if these immigrants weren't here, these jobs still wouldn't be occupied by Americans. The average American would rather live off unemployment and social security than work in a tobacco field. And I'm not saying that illegals wouldn't do the same, but they can't.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
The thing that pisses me off about the whole illegal immigration issue is the fact that there are millions of illegal immigrants employed in the US. If we're so concerned about keeping our borders closed, why do we hire these people? We're practically inviting them over because of companies that employ them by the thousands, often for laughable wages. 🙄

Because they often have false citizenship papers or workers permits. On the other hand, there are agriculture companies that employ them despite the fact, because they're cheap.