Anti-Illegal Immagration is Racisim?

Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
I personally like the fact that we have immigrants in America. They do the jobs Americans dont want, and therefore help the economy grow.

it sounds harsh, but hey as long as im not the one cleaning toilets at the ho jo's

short sweet and funny....but true.

and to those in europe, i think you have a different element to deal with.
i spent a week in amsterdam and by the 4th day i had my wallet picked by someillegal mutant. its not like that in america. i work in the spanish ghetto and often walk through town to get my lunch without a care in the world. you know why? because illegals here are too busy working all hours of the day to be standing on some street corner looking for someone to mug. in america, we have to be more weary of our legal citizens. so dont let your own experiences judge the way you view illegals in america. 😉

Oh great exploit the illegal immigrant to clean your toilet for a low price thus taking away the job from a citizen that can't find a job. Everyone complains about the job market and how its hard to find work, maybe because for instance construction, people love to hire illegal immagranst who will work for cheaper and work themselves to death and probably break a thousand saftey laws while they are at it (exploiting them, they are treated like slaves)
Who else is going to pick my lettuce for cheap. I can imagine a plantation owner saying that too about his cotton from back in the day when slavery was legal.
Fact is its pompuss to say that and its dangerous to leave a countrys border open to whoever wants to come in illegally. Immagration is a great thing, i say if you want to come to America, learn english, that will help you and the citizens of America, and get screaned for any disease and then come in and enjoy this great country. But this constant flow of illegal immigrants, that in many cases do not respect our laws (if you want me to bring up statistics i will do so for you gladly) could become very dangerous in the future. This is not racism, this is common sense.
You know what the solution is?
CLEAN UP MEXICO!!!!! Under better leadership I personaly believe that country could thrive in the future, it just takes hard work, and if its needed, even some help from us would be great. But they are not solving the problem of what a dump Mexico is by coming here, they are just avoiding it and causing strain on another country. Solve the problem at its heart, and that is not the border, the heart of the problem is Mexico. Lets help our neighbor figure out how to get things fixed in their own country and i am willing to bet illegal immagration will not be such a discussion.

Originally posted by PVS
short sweet and funny....but true.

and to those in europe, i think you have a different element to deal with.
i spent a week in amsterdam and by the 4th day i had my wallet picked by someillegal mutant. its not like that in america. i work in the spanish ghetto and often walk through town to get my lunch without a care in the world. you know why? because illegals here are too busy working all hours of the day to be standing on some street corner looking for someone to mug. in america, we have to be more weary of our legal citizens. so dont let your own experiences judge the way you view illegals in america. 😉

Nice story. I got my expensive Carnhart Jacket that was given to me by my father stolen by an illegal immagrant.
So according to your statemnt that the man in ansterdam was an illegal mutant because he stole your wallet i should consider American illegal immigrants as mutants as well because of my jacket. illegal mutants because that happened to me here but then since nothing happened to me in amsterdam i should say that don't let your own personal experience determine how you think about illegals in amsterdam PVS.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it for a little while and get back to me PVS.

Originally posted by PVS
short sweet and funny....but true.

and to those in europe, i think you have a different element to deal with.
i spent a week in amsterdam and by the 4th day i had my wallet picked by someillegal mutant. its not like that in america. i work in the spanish ghetto and often walk through town to get my lunch without a care in the world. you know why? because illegals here are too busy working all hours of the day to be standing on some street corner looking for someone to mug. in america, we have to be more weary of our legal citizens. so dont let your own experiences judge the way you view illegals in america. 😉

what a load of crap!!
I've been twice in a mexican ghetto, I got mugged the first time I went and the next time I went I saw another guy get mugged 😖
and FYI, Ive been to Amsterdam 3 times, Ive also been in Belgium, and other european countries, and only once did I get mugged and it was in rome

i agree with curl cause most illegal aliens do more work than other people.

Originally posted by PVS
its really annoying when you take the first sentence of someone's arguement out of context and offer a response like that? if you have no points to argue against mine then perhaps you should just glaze over my post to the next. nothing personal, but that was lame

I read it, and it didn't make sense the first time or the second time.
I thought about it and decided that you were imo, saying the first emotional thing about the subject that came to mind and then backing it up by saying basically what I saw was(paraphrased to the extreme🙂) "its white folks fault, because they treat immagrants bad".

Seriously, what did you mean?

ok...

lil got it spot in... refugees and immigrants are two completely different things...

and curl... very funny and yet true...

alright... i dont live in america so can only speak from experience...

ireland in the last ten or so years has had a massive influx of immigrants (both legal and illegal) and refugees mainly from asia, africa and eastern europe...

a while back there was a law passed to toughen the immigration laws... this was met by many idiots claiming it was racist... it wasnt...

ireland is a small country, at the rate of immigration the country was going to hell... we're just simply not able...

now please dont misunderstand me, the laws in ireland are heavily flawed, but what they are trying to accomplish is in my opinion right... illegal immigration has to be stopped, period. plenty of people come to ireland to study or to work, and thats fine with me, plenty of refugees have come to ireland due to their own countries being messed up, again, i have no problem...

all that said... there is a tendency among irish people to put our economic troubles solely on the shoulders of these illegal immigrants when a lot of irish people are so far up their own arses that working in mcdonalds has become taboo...

i hope that made some amount of sense...

It made perfect sense.

Okay, the truth of the matter is that, despite how hard they work, these people should be here legally. My grandfathers company has paid tens of thousands of dollars in fines because they have employed illegal immigrants, through no fault of their own, they had the papers when they applied for the job. While the company isn't held responsible for false papers, they are still held responsible for illegals working for them

My mother is the VP of human resources, and she still speakes in favor of the illegal immigrants. She says that she has had to fire the hardest working people on the floor. But, despite what she has to say, they are still here illeagally.

I'm sure once the US government stops caring, then so will everyone else.

I think Hecht has been called racist for similair reasons despite the fact that he is a non-European illegal immigrant 😛

well if it should happen, it should happen at smaller numbers. At this rate the city of LA will have a opulation the size of Canada. LOL

Originally posted by long pig
I read it, and it didn't make sense the first time or the second time.
I thought about it and decided that you were imo, saying the first emotional thing about the subject that came to mind and then backing it up by saying basically what I saw was(paraphrased to the extreme🙂) "its white folks fault, because they treat immagrants bad".

Seriously, what did you mean?

ok, fine, if i must break down a basic law of econimics then i must

pay attention

for there to be a SUPPLY there must be a DEMAND.
the supply would be migrant workers, and the DEMAND would
be the need/want to hire them for dirt cheap labor....YOU WITH ME SO FAR? i hope so....

anyway, if you took EVERY SINGLE illegal out of america, the want/need for them would still exist...got that? ok just a little more to go, so keep paying attention...

that is why the elimination of supply does not eliminate demand. its kinda like drugs. if all the drugs in america somehow vanished, there would still be users/addicts who remain and want MORE drugs....ok?
thus it would be profitable for dealers to smuggle MORE drugs into the community, right? problem not solved.

HOWEVER, if all users/addicts decided to not take drugs (illegal) anymore, guess what would happen? the demand would vanish and thus the supply would also vanish, since there is no point in going through the trouble of smuggling narcotics if nobody will buy them....correct? problem solved.

so lets review

elimination of demand(those who hire) eliminates supply (those who would be hired) HOWEVER elimination of supply, would only serve to INCREASE the demand. so there would still be dirt-paying jobs to be had, thus those who were/are deported would hop on the next trailer and come right BACK to the states.

please tell me you understand

Originally posted by IceWithin
what a load of crap!!
I've been twice in a mexican ghetto, I got mugged the first time I went and the next time I went I saw another guy get mugged 😖

there are criminal elements in all communities, especially poor ones. and just so i know, was this gheto in MEXICO? i was referring to american ghettos. and despite your story, im still going to walk a quarter mile to get a fish sandwich today and i know i will encounter no trouble. yet i will walk right by dozens of migrant workers standing along the side of the road waiting for some contractor to pull over and offer them a day's work.

Originally posted by PVS
ok, fine, if i must break down a basic law of econimics then i must

pay attention

for there to be a SUPPLY there must be a DEMAND.
the supply would be migrant workers, and the DEMAND would
be the need/want to hire them for dirt cheap labor....YOU WITH ME SO FAR? i hope so....

anyway, if you took EVERY SINGLE illegal out of america, the want/need for them would still exist...got that? ok just a little more to go, so keep paying attention...

that is why the elimination of supply does not eliminate demand. its kinda like drugs. if all the drugs in america somehow vanished, there would still be users/addicts who remain and want MORE drugs....ok?
thus it would be profitable for dealers to smuggle MORE drugs into the community, right? problem not solved.

HOWEVER, if all users/addicts decided to not take drugs (illegal) anymore, guess what would happen? the demand would vanish and thus the supply would also vanish, since there is no point in going through the trouble of smuggling narcotics if nobody will buy them....correct? problem solved.

so lets review

elimination of demand(those who hire) eliminates supply (those who would be hired) HOWEVER elimination of supply, would only serve to INCREASE the demand. so there would still be dirt-paying jobs to be had, thus those who were/are deported would hop on the next trailer and come right BACK to the states.

please tell me you understand

i do see what you mean... but if the demand was stopped tomorrow, there would still be illegal immigrants... i see them begging on the streets (not all genuine), others living off the state...

i don't think it will have the impact you hope it will...

thats an assumption.
i have yet to have a single illegal ask me for a dime.
not a single one. why would they risk their lives (and many do) to come here to be panhandlers? they have to pay to come here (meaning those who dont simply run over the boarder). most of them dont run the boarder, but pay smugglers to bring them here. the mentallity is that what they pay is small compared to what they earn, so its a sound investment.

Originally posted by PVS
thats an assumption.
i have yet to have a single illegal ask me for a dime.
not a single one. why would they risk their lives (and many do) to come here to be panhandlers? they have to pay to come here (meaning those who dont simply run over the boarder). most of them dont run the boarder, but pay smugglers to bring them here. the mentallity is that what they pay is small compared to what they earn, so its a sound investment.

i'm sorry...

i dont live in the us, im talking about ireland, it was in my first post in this thread 😮

and here, i've had many ask me... they've even come to the front door of my house...

Originally posted by pr1983
i'm sorry...

i dont live in the us, im talking about ireland, it was in my first post in this thread 😮

and here, i've had many ask me... they've even come to the front door of my house...

yeah, like i said, things seem to be different in europe. i imagine it would be difficult for people over there to imagine an illegal actually working hard for the cash they make. an honest mistake i think.

Originally posted by shaber
I think Hecht has been called racist for similair reasons despite the fact that he is a non-European illegal immigrant 😛

I dont get it 😮

Originally posted by PVS
there are criminal elements in all communities, especially poor ones. and just so i know, was this gheto in MEXICO? i was referring to american ghettos. and despite your story, im still going to walk a quarter mile to get a fish sandwich today and i know i will encounter no trouble. yet i will walk right by dozens of migrant workers standing along the side of the road waiting for some contractor to pull over and offer them a day's work.

mexican ghetto as in a ghetto which was full of mexicans and cubans

Originally posted by PVS
yeah, like i said, things seem to be different in europe. i imagine it would be difficult for people over there to imagine an illegal actually working hard for the cash they make. an honest mistake i think.

no... i know there are alot of people who do come over and work their asses off...

but i do feel that too many choose the other route (over here anyway)...