WhiteWitchKing
Senior Member
Originally posted by zopzop
The only point I made was that Eternity said he could have tanked that Warlock blast if that had been his actuality and not just an M-Body. That's it. Eternity himself must remember that not a few days ago, an IG wielder owned them all when he really cared to.
That blast wasn't a "killing" blast, it was like his later attack, a "begone you annoy me" blast.
He assaulted the court because to stop the trial. He may not have tried to kill them but he didn't feel they had authority to put him on trial. Hence why he said "how dare you seek to judge me". Either way, that blast still put Eternity on his knees. Don't try and belittle that feat because the IG has manipulated on a universal scale. Either way, IG>Eternity/universe.
What was Qusar's exact quote? Because if true then according to on panel evidence Ziran's "M-body" held his ground while the other M-bodies were thrown around like rag dolls.If, according to you, they are all M-bodies, what difference does it make ultimately? Since it wasn't the actuality of any of the participants?
Quasar was told that most of the abstracts use M-bodies to create a physical body. Then Quasar asked what about physical beings like Galactus and Stranger. The answer was that same times the physicals also use M-bodies to attend somewhere without making an appearance. It doesn't say that these beings we or were not using M-bodies at the time.
Celestials operating in the 616 use M-bodies. Those armors are a type of M-bodies. Galactus, Watcher, and Stranger can use M-bodies but I see no reason for them using M-bodies here. As for the abstracts, they always use M-bodies because they have no bodies to begin with.
It doesn't make much of a difference because most of what you see is their M-bodies and they channel there power through it. When characters reference how powerful a Celestial, it's referring to what they've encountered: the armor/M-bodies. That attack by Odin, Zeus, and Vishnu was on the armor/M-body of Arishem.
The Gauntlet gives you supremacy over all aspects of reality, over all these beings except LT. It's stated numerous times and hence why Eternity fears it.
No one said Ziran is a match for the IG. What I find amusing now is, if everyone present was just an M-body (as you say, since not even "Galactus" present was the real Galactus), then the LT's feat is pointless.
See above. We don't know for sure about the trial regarding Galactus, Watcher, and Stranger. The others always operate using M-bodies. It doesn't change anything because that's how they've always shown up in comics.
My point was Korvac shutting off access to earth wasn't unique or an indicator of power. So are S'ym and the Goblin Queen = Arshiem = Korvac because they accomplished this "feat"?
And my point to you is that that was one of LT's lower showing. And he's got very few of those.
Warlock wasn't out for blood. He was pissed that they didn't trust him with the IG. If he wanted to wtfpwn them he could have easily. Just as Thanos did earlier. We've also seen that the LT couldn't just shut the Gems off if the wielder didn't submit to his judgment.
So when he attacked the court and sent the majority of them flying about that wasn't wtfpwning them? The judgement was that he wasn't fit to wield the Gauntlet. It had nothing to do with shutting it down. Even after he submit, the Gauntlet still worked.
Big Bang? That thing looked like a galaxy to me. And go ahead and exclude it as a feat. Not that it matters to the PF.How do you know he held their actuality in his hands and not just representations of them? Did the LT have Odin's soul in his hand when Odin died and an image of Odin appeared on the LT's palm?
What does Odin have to do with anything? We know that it wasn't really Odin because it flat out states it's merely the residual life force of Odin that everyone detected and it meant nothing to even the Tribunal.
Now where does it say representation in the book or that handbook excerpt regarding the brothers? It says right there by Dweller that he's the supreme entity in the multiverse. He holds two incalculably powerful siblings that are playing out the conflict of existence. BUT NOT JUST YET. First he must consult his Spectral hooded ally before PLAY CAN BEGIN. Those brothers could not proceed to play out existence until LT and Spectre agrees to it and all is aligned. You see Tribunal clench the brothers during that line. The following page says Alpha and Omega (beginning & end) revolve on a wheel spun by his hand, a HAND THAT WILL SOON OPEN UP TO ALLOW TWO BROTHERS TO ASSUME THEIR PRE-DESTINED ROLE AS ARCHITECTS OF NEW REALITIES. That was their actuality unless you have proof it isn't. In fact, this whole thing was meant to ret-con DC vs Marvel, proving that the Tribunal was actually more powerful than the two brothers.
Let's see the LT do it on panel. And the IG only functions in the universe the Gems are original too. So yes the IG can do it, but only to it's native universe.
You want to see the Tribunal destroy a timeline? The Tribunal has few appearances and you want to see him destroy a timeline. Please take this nonsense somewhere else because this is getting ridiculous. The Tribunal never shook the multiverse either so I guess Odin is more powerful?
No. What the heck are you talking about? If the IG only functions in it's universe of origin, how do you explain Magus with the IG in his universe, that is several dimensions away from the 616, pwning Galactus and playing with Nullification energies? The only time it didn't work properly was in a crossover into the DC universe. It worked properly in the Malibu universe though when Malibu was bought by Marvel.
LOL splitting hairs much? How is shattering it to the point where it was almost dead differ from slowly killing it? Both the stories can't be right. Either Galactus was killing it and the universe itself suffered or Xorn was killing it and nothing happened to the universe at large.
Xorn killed Jean, not Phoenix. Jean's death shattered it. Galactus was killing Phoenix itself, not Rachel. And if you're mad, talk to the X-writters. That going crying to me.
No one is disputing the Phoenix's essentialness to the cosmos. But if you want to bring up that Korvac incident, I'll gladly bring up these instances where the Phoenix's host died or the Force itself getting manipulated by alien weaponry.
At least in the Galactus instance Death, Roma (the omniversal guardian), and the Watcher came and pleaded on Rachel's behalf. No one was begging Xorn not to "kill" the PF. So again, which is it, both can't be right. They are contradictory.
Go talk to the writers if you have a problem. But you're the one who brought up that Korvac incident to bring down LT's feats record. So don't whine when I do the same to the Phoenix Force.
