Darth Vader vs. Spider-Man

Creshok, not sure what your prob is, but thought we were having a nice little debate here. NO need for the hostility I'm sensing.
Now, do I have trouble understanding simple concepts? I don't think so. The fact is that YOU were the one who originally wrote this:

" Vader deflects laser bolts. Those move at the speed of light."

MOVE AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT...just because now that statement has been shown to be idiotic don't try and turn the tables and say that you meant something else, and that I am slow for not seeing it.

Moving on: Now that you admit that laser bolts move nowhere near as fast as light, lets take a look at your cover up argument:

laser bolts move at 1/8 the speed of light...hmmm...where exactly did you pull that number from? You know that the speed of light in air is only slightly slower than the speed of light in a vacuum which is just about 300,000,000 m/s . So 1/8th of that is 37.5 million m/s!!! With that velocity the laser bolt could just about circle the Earth in 1 second! Again you are vastly overestimating the speed of laser bolts.
And based on your math "knowledge", if a bolt moves at 1/8th speed of light then Vader must move at 1/8th the speed of light to block it. If 3 bolts were fired then Vader must move at 3/8th speed of light and on and on. By YOUR logic if 8 bolts were fired Vader would have to move at the SPEED of LIGHT to block them!
Heaven forbid if there were more than 8 bolts fired...again by YOUR logic if there were, say, 16 bolts fired Vader would have to move at 2x the speed of light to block them!!!!
Now, of course you logic is messed so don't worry Vader won't have to move that fast, but unfortunately if 8 bolts were fired at him from 8 different directions, and the bolts were fired from the same distance and fired at the same time...guess what? Vader would have to move at INFINITE speed to block them!!! They would all arrive at the EXACT same time. The number of bolts fired has NOTHING to do with the equation.
distance / velocity = time ... since each bolt travels at the same speed, as long as they are fired from the same distance, the time is the same for all of them. this is true if there is 1 bolt fired or 50.

Originally posted by bertran
Creshok, not sure what your prob is,

The real question is, does spiderman or his webshots move faster than a laserbolt?

Each one that you answer no to Vader can intercept that thing with his lightsaber.

That's the whole point behind this.

Each one you answer yes to I'm going to have to ask you to prove it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The real question is, does spiderman or his webshots move faster than a laserbolt?

No, don't tell me, low budget.

Originally posted by who?-kid
In the movies, you could actually see the laser beams being fired and heading towards Darth Vader. So much for speed of light.

No, don't tell me, low budget.

The speed of a laser bolt or bullet? 🙂

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Hey are people using the new movie to support arguments for Vader? I'm not going to even check for myself, but if so then I use the movie version of Spidey in the 2nd fight vs ock to support all my arguments from here on out. That is unless someone can convince me that Spidey did something that he couldn't do during that fight. And since I'm very familiar with Spidey I know that's not the case!

I'm a big Spidey fan but I don't think he'd take Vader unless this jedi was off his game big time. One strike from Spidey could kill him but he'd have to reach him and I don't see that happening when I consider the fact that there is no defense against levitation and even the webbing could be rendered inneffective.

Sorry Who?-kid 🙁 I want to be on your side dog! 😎 but unfortunately 🤨 sighh... I ... disagree

I signed up after reading this....just itching to respond. Wow, ladies, you amaze me. Let me bring up my list of things to say here...ok:

First off, this ridiculous lazer beam junk...well we don't know the speed of a laser bolt. Unfortunately the movie left out the section including gun specs. But lets say you have laser bolts going a ridiculously slow 30 mph. Now make it 5 bolts, all arriving within one second. THats going to be a bit of a challenge to parry, isn't it? Well, not to you spider morons, but to me? Being a Physics major....YEAH its quite a challenge. next topic...oh and btw, budget has nothing to do with being able to see the "slow moving laser bolts" on the movie. What fun would a movie be if you couldn't see the blasts being deflected by lightsabers and shooting back at the enemy? Kind of would seem weird if jedi's were parrying invisible beams, because they traveled so fast....think about that one next time your on the pot.

Webbing, can you say...pathetic? The sith, they emit lightning bolts from their finger tips. LIGHTNING! THe jedi are capable of catching the lightning in the palm of their hand...or blocking it with a light saber. Now, im sure spider cutie is projecting that web pretty quick, but last time i watched lightning strike, it seemed to be a little bit quicker than anything ive seen spiderman do.

Spiderman has a super punch as you so call it. well, i guess when your right your right....One punch and, well, vador is dead. but wait, i seemed to remember anakins limbs being severed, and then his whole body being engulfed in lava, yet still he lived. But im sure your right, super punch will kill him...yeah...idiots

Alright moving on...as i was saying, the sith, which darth vador is (he's not a jedi) have more powers to play with than the jedi. They can rejuvinate life, shoot their little lightning bolts, manipulate whatever they want basically. you guys argue that he requires concentration and time to execute any of these powers....wow, what a weak argument. How stupid do you take jedis/sith to be. I'm sure next time yoda and palpatine go at it, yoda will just sit there for a couple of minutes so palpatine can prepare his choke hold. OH WAIT....it doesnt require time like that. Most skills require no time to execute. Yes, lifting a 30,000 pound pillar in episode two required a little perspiration from yodas cute litte face, but when i recall in spiderman's movie, he passed out after stopping the train.

After making these few valid points I've established a counter to all Spiderwomans attacks. His web, could be lightsabered, or returned right back in spideys face, or just caught, and burned up in the sexy grasp of DV. Spider reflexes, well, they have no use against precognition. Darth Vader, as george lucas himself says, his near lightspeed reaction times. spider punch, well, it wouldnt land because a light saber would cut the arm off before it ever connected. I am tired, I have work tomorrow, if any of you want to contest my long, well thought out, non biased post here...feel free to do say, because I thoroughly enjoy putting moronic imbeciles. Much love

Sumbum

Originally posted by sumbum
non biased post here

Can't say it wasn't biased, but you did make some good points. . other than the lava thing, as he didn't actually fall into the lava, he caught fire and survived it.

the points I made were not biased. Just apparent. As far as the lava goes, your right. I should have worded it differently. His LIMBS (what was left of them) were in the lava, which engulfed the rest of his body in flames.

Originally posted by sumbum
the points I made were not biased.

Originally posted by sumbum
you spider morons

Originally posted by sumbum
Spiderman has a super punch as you so call it........super punch will kill him...yeah...idiots

under the helmet Vader still has a human head.... a guy that can punch clean through a brick wall could kill him

Originally posted by sumbum
I've established a counter to all Spiderwomans attacks

Originally posted by sumbum
Spider reflexes, well, they have no use against precognition.

spider-sense = precognition

Originally posted by sumbum
I thoroughly enjoy putting moronic imbeciles. Much love

yeah.... very unbiased....

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i'll just add that i think Vader would kill Spidey pretty easily..... but you are biased and seem to be very quick to throw around insults.... what's that all about?

Originally posted by Scoobless
spider-sense = precognition

<<I signed up after reading this>.

well, that's unfortunate for the rest of us . . .

<<Being a Physics major....YEAH its quite a challenge.>>

ya, i'd think being a physics major for you WOULD be a challenge.

<<The sith, they emit lightning bolts from their finger tips. LIGHTNING!>>

LIGHTNING! hmm, you ever hear of a little guy, used to run around with lightning bolts on his head, now is WAY more powerful than ever. what's his name . . . ah, electro. and spidey has wasted him countless times in the past and the guy controls enough LIGHTNING! to waste an ENTIRE CITY!

<<it seemed to be a little bit quicker than anything ive seen spiderman do.>.

jedi - er, sith, must have some special 'sith lightning', because spidey has had no problem dodging lightning before. he's got this really cool little precog ability, but being a physics major and all, you probably know all about that . . .

<<One punch and, well, vador is dead. but wait, i seemed to remember anakins limbs being severed, and then his whole body being engulfed in lava,>.

cool. and i remember all the jedi's getting their arses kicked in the arena by an army of droids who were shooting them. and i remember anny and kenobi not even being able to break the little chains that held them to the pillars. and i remember kenobi getting his ass beat down by jengo fett. and i remember luke not being able to use the force against jaba the frickin' hutt. and i remember . . .

<<They can rejuvinate life, shoot their little lightning bolts, manipulate whatever they want basically.>>

but don't remember THAT in the movie . . .

<<How stupid do you take jedis/sith to be. I'm sure next time yoda and palpatine go at it, yoda will just sit there for a couple of minutes so palpatine can prepare his choke hold. OH WAIT....it doesnt require time like that. Most skills require no time to execute.>>

obviously. those powers worked quite well against jengo fett . . .

<<feel free to do say, because I thoroughly enjoy putting moronic imbeciles.>.

good thing you went into physics, the english department would have laughed you out of the school . . .

dude, make your points, have your opinions, believe whatever the hell you want. just don't be insulting about it. please. insults lead to insults, and that's never good for discussion.

sumbum: Use another offensive word in this forum and you won't be able to post anything else anymore

Originally posted by leonidas
obviously. those powers worked quite well against jengo fett . . .

Oh yeah different Jedi have different skills and Vader was supposed to become more powerful since E3. . .

Mace was a better fighter than Obi-wan, though the only reason he beat anakin at the end of e3 was due to Anakin's ego and Obi-wan having a better footing. . .(And lucas keeps changing his mind and the actual put down at the end of the fight is usually weak because Lucas doesn't seem to know how to end fights really well. . .)

Learned more about the differences between the prequals to the OT as well. . . Lucas keeps chaning his mind about things in the movies. Appearently he originally had (during the fight tween vader and Obiwan on the First Death star) He had :

Originally posted by Mike
There were a few reasons the OT saber fights sucked.

1. Lucas originally evisioned lightsabers as being these powerful devices that required two hands to control their power. So they used a two-handed broadsword fighting style.

2. The stunt blades were wooden dowels (as opposed to the aluminum/ceramic rods they use now) each broken rod required them to stop filming and replace the blades.

3. Luke and Vaders sabers were made out of antique flashguns with a diameter of 1.5 inches which is just too damned thick to handle them way they do in the prequel trilogy (where the standard saber diameter is 1.25 inches)

Now this guy is on another board and knows so much about star wars he knows the names of all the characters including the flippin skiff guards in ROTJ . . . and he knows about the little behind the scenes things. . . He leaked all of the information, to this other board, about what was going to happen in the movie a few weeks in advance to the movie being released. . . he's got some weird inside data. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
Now this guy is on another board and knows so much about star wars he knows the names of all the characters including the flippin skiff guards in ROTJ . . . and he knows about the little behind the scenes things. . . He leaked all of the information, to this other board, about what was going to happen in the movie a few weeks in advance to the movie being released. . . he's got some weird inside data. . .

maybe "Mike" is George.... 🙄

Originally posted by Scoobless
maybe "Mike" is George.... 🙄

Originally posted by sumbum
I signed up after reading this....just itching to respond. Wow, ladies, you amaze me. Let me bring up my list of things to say here...ok:

First off, this ridiculous lazer beam junk...well we don't know the speed of a laser bolt. Unfortunately the movie left out the section including gun specs. But lets say you have laser bolts going a ridiculously slow 30 mph. Now make it 5 bolts, all arriving within one second. THats going to be a bit of a challenge to parry, isn't it? Well, not to you spider morons, but to me? Being a Physics major....YEAH its quite a challenge. next topic...oh and btw, budget has nothing to do with being able to see the "slow moving laser bolts" on the movie. What fun would a movie be if you couldn't see the blasts being deflected by lightsabers and shooting back at the enemy? Kind of would seem weird if jedi's were parrying invisible beams, because they traveled so fast....think about that one next time your on the pot.

Webbing, can you say...pathetic? The sith, they emit lightning bolts from their finger tips. LIGHTNING! THe jedi are capable of catching the lightning in the palm of their hand...or blocking it with a light saber. Now, im sure spider cutie is projecting that web pretty quick, but last time i watched lightning strike, it seemed to be a little bit quicker than anything ive seen spiderman do.

Spiderman has a super punch as you so call it. well, i guess when your right your right....One punch and, well, vador is dead. but wait, i seemed to remember anakins limbs being severed, and then his whole body being engulfed in lava, yet still he lived. But im sure your right, super punch will kill him...yeah...idiots

Alright moving on...as i was saying, the sith, which darth vador is (he's not a jedi) have more powers to play with than the jedi. They can rejuvinate life, shoot their little lightning bolts, manipulate whatever they want basically. you guys argue that he requires concentration and time to execute any of these powers....wow, what a weak argument. How stupid do you take jedis/sith to be. I'm sure next time yoda and palpatine go at it, yoda will just sit there for a couple of minutes so palpatine can prepare his choke hold. OH WAIT....it doesnt require time like that. Most skills require no time to execute. Yes, lifting a 30,000 pound pillar in episode two required a little perspiration from yodas cute litte face, but when i recall in spiderman's movie, he passed out after stopping the train.

After making these few valid points I've established a counter to all Spiderwomans attacks. His web, could be lightsabered, or returned right back in spideys face, or just caught, and burned up in the sexy grasp of DV. Spider reflexes, well, they have no use against precognition. Darth Vader, as george lucas himself says, his near lightspeed reaction times. spider punch, well, it wouldnt land because a light saber would cut the arm off before it ever connected. I am tired, I have work tomorrow, if any of you want to contest my long, well thought out, non biased post here...feel free to do say, because I thoroughly enjoy putting moronic imbeciles. Much love

Sumbum

Many of the Spidey fans that you're insulting have ONLY the abysmal representations of the first three movies, and the plodding mechanical glowstick battles( which look fit for Sesame Street by today's standards) to go on. And those same boring battles turned many off from the start.

The reason that Vader appeared to so many people as an asthmatic old man with a bucket on his head is cause that's exactly what he looked like. He didn't display a mastery of the force even remotely near Yoda's. Conan's swordfights seemed much faster paced and the young scrub Luke (Whom Yoda predicted would fail) beat him down and then took that amazing force lightining like it was extreme static ( And the all powerful EMPORER was dishing it out). Spider-man WOULD beat the blood from the slothlike Vader who did nothing extraordinary except choke a man without his hands. And that slothlike bucketheaded chump is all some people know of Vader because the presentation is( not was) that pathetic.

Maybe not in the 80's but fact's are fact's, and the movie was the original introduction and definition of who and what Star war's were. Just cause you can translate for Chewie you think that make's your opinion golden? Face it, many got turned off by the first lame definition of the Star Wars universe and left off there, with only that definition.

Old man vader get's beaten by the Character's that began their careers with detailed written definitions that place them at a level far above Vader after he was defined by a low budget production. You want to blame someone for people being able to use that pitiful example? Blame Lucas for not writing the book first. Point of view from someone who only knows vader from initial introduction...Vader's slow and he's obviously hot in that costume. Can this guy beat who!? Spider-Man!!? 🤨 😆 😆 😆 😆 STOP IT MAN YOUR KILLING ME!!!! 😆 😆...... 🙂 That Vader is the only vader to many many people....And the movie Cap. america would give him a harder time Luke. Spider-man could crush an man in a hot suit who has a throat and float trick and a not-so-quick glo-stick.

Vader SUCKED but I enjoyed the films and gave the prequels and books a chance ( I've never actually read a whole book but I've scoped for details).

You may know more about Vader than most people but that doesn't mean they're ignorant for using the definition that they're given.

Spidey would beat down Vader, Luke, and the Emporer( who looked real formidable when Vader walked through his static attack, picked him up like you'd do a child and chucked him to his death he's screaming like a bit*h.) if their movie definitions stood alone. Conan could have handled the goofy-looking (to some not all) bucket headed asthmatic magician with a hot glowstick. 😮‍💨

Edit: Mister....you sure did just completely switch what you said from your last post, thats on this very same page....how am I supposed to believe a thing you say when you contradict yourself? Sorry man, but that sure doesn't work.

Ok, I apologize for my insults. BTW, as far as the poor english...I wrote that post at 3 in the morning, cut me some slack, eh? The reason I'm so, well, upset about this whole thing is because fail to understand our arguments.Yeah spidermans bunch would kill vador, if he caould ever land the punch, which, while possible, isnt likely. to punch someone u must be within arms reach...a light saber in this case, would remove his arm. That electro guy you were talking about, well, I don't know of him but i imagine lightning is his only power. Whereas for vador, its only one of his many powers. as for my point regarding the physics of bullets being shot at you....well you didnt have a counter to that one, only an insult. As for the powers I mentioned...the only one you don't see is rejuvinating life. It's only spoken of in the 3rd episode. Never done. Nevertheless, it's a sith power.

You remember all the jedis getting killed by thousands of droids, out numbered like 50 to 1. Well yeah, I remember that too...but I don't remember any of the more powerful jedis dying, like Mace Windu, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Yoda (he wasn't in that fight, but fights more in ep 3).

You see, in the SW saga, characters have inside them something called midichlorians. The more you have, the more your able to use the force hypothetically. Yoda, his count was 17,700. Han Solo, his was 1500. Luke Skywalker, his was 14,500. Now Anakin Skywalker....Darth Vador...the guy we've been arguing about here....his is 27,700. Even Ben, (Obi Wan0 has only 13,400. Mace Windu, only has 12,000. Again this is more a measure of potential, not actual power.

Hope this information helps you understand a little better. I wish you guys could respect one of the worlds greatest villians of all time. Darth Vador is, and always will be, one of the greatest villians...there is no arguing that.

Originally posted by sumbum
Ok, I apologize for my insults. BTW, as far as the poor english...I wrote that post at 3 in the morning, cut me some slack, eh? The reason I'm so, well, upset about this whole thing is because fail to understand our arguments.Yeah spidermans bunch would kill vador, if he caould ever land the punch, which, while possible, isnt likely. to punch someone u must be within arms reach...a light saber in this case, would remove his arm. That electro guy you were talking about, well, I don't know of him but i imagine lightning is his only power. Whereas for vador, its only one of his many powers. as for my point regarding the physics of bullets being shot at you....well you didnt have a counter to that one, only an insult. As for the powers I mentioned...the only one you don't see is rejuvinating life. It's only spoken of in the 3rd episode. Never done. Nevertheless, it's a sith power.

You remember all the jedis getting killed by thousands of droids, out numbered like 50 to 1. Well yeah, I remember that too...but I don't remember any of the more powerful jedis dying, like Mace Windu, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Yoda (he wasn't in that fight, but fights more in ep 3).

You see, in the SW saga, characters have inside them something called midichlorians. The more you have, the more your able to use the force hypothetically. Yoda, his count was 17,700. Han Solo, his was 1500. Luke Skywalker, his was 14,500. Now Anakin Skywalker....Darth Vador...the guy we've been arguing about here....his is 27,700. Even Ben, (Obi Wan0 has only 13,400. Mace Windu, only has 12,000. Again this is more a measure of potential, not actual power.

Hope this information helps you understand a little better. I wish you guys could respect one of the worlds greatest villians of all time. Darth Vador is, and always will be, one of the greatest villians...there is no arguing that.

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Edit: I caught your edit... Well I hadn't caught the apology and I had to represent for the Spidey fans who no more exposure than the first movie. Like the man said " Insults breed insults" so my bad as well! 😮‍💨

Originally posted by sumbum
I signed up after reading this....just itching to respond. Wow, ladies, you amaze me. Let me bring up my list of things to say here...ok:
Sumbum

who kid, i already apologized for the insults. I was annoyed when I wrote it, and tired. How do you figure those were half decent points? I'd like to know that one. And no, you werent being polite.