Originally posted by kgkg
Why is the sig like that. (bad quality)
The files original size is 196KB and you're only allowed a sig of 30 KB on this forum apparently. So i had to reduce the quality in Photoshop to get it on. But i dont understand how other peoples sigs still look such a decent quality. 🙁
I still hav the original unaltered so if you know something i dont giv us a shout
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The files original size is 196KB and you're only allowed a sig of 30 KB on this forum apparently. So i had to reduce the quality in Photoshop to get it on. But i dont understand how other peoples sigs still look such a decent quality. 🙁I still hav the original unaltered so if you know something i dont giv us a shout
here this one is 21.7 KB
Yeah that is recent. That scan you have is from Xmen forever. Thats within the last 3 years if i remember correctly . Its also the comic where both iceman, toad and mystique get power upgrades. Plus Juggy realises he's wasted his life and becomes good.
Thanx so much for the sig KG. Even that second pic you sent was way too large. Ive just spent the last 45 mins in Photoshop trying to reduce the file size while retaining as much quality as possible. It looks gd thanx alot
Originally posted by Xplosive
LT>PF
Eternity=PFkgkg=TOAA
Xplosive I find your answer so hard to comprehend after all the debating whats gone on in the thread. Dont you get it? The Phoenix Force is an incarnation of the TOAA. That was the original idea behind it. An idea that has now been reverted back to as shown in Grant Morrisons run of New Xmen and EndSong. Its in the comics, its always been there. All we've done in this thread is present it to people who maybe dont read Xmen. Theres plenty of refernces in this thread if you want to check up on it yourself.
Have you not read Markolins bit about the Secret Wars2? Obviously not.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Xplosive I find your answer so hard to comprehend after all the debating whats gone on in the thread. Dont you get it? The Phoenix Force is an incarnation of the TOAA. That was the original idea behind it. An idea that has now been reverted back to as shown in Grant Morrisons run of New Xmen and EndSong. Its in the comics, its always been there. All we've done in this thread is present it to people who maybe dont read Xmen. Theres plenty of refernces in this thread if you want to check up on it yourself.Have you not read Markolins bit about the Secret Wars2? Obviously not.
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No, incarnatiom of TOAA=kgkg. GalacticStorm, you know damn very well that TOAA=inifnetely more than PF, and you realize damn well that LT=if he wanted he wuoud put PF out of existence. Original idea was PF is second to creator and not incarnation of TOAA.
Obviously yes.
Originally posted by Xplosive
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No, incarnatiom of TOAA=kgkg. GalacticStorm, you know damn very well that TOAA=inifnetely more than PF, and you realize damn well that LT=if he wanted he wuoud put PF out of existence. Original idea was PF is second to creator and not incarnation of TOAA.
Obviously yes.
You are so dense its unbelievable. You couldnt hav read the thread to be posting the crap you hav. The Phoenix Force is an incarnation of the TOAA in our plane of existence. It took this form when jean burned up on the shuttle and became one with everything. This event allowed TOAA to funnel down into our plane of existence through Jean, therefore creating Phoenix which was simply a representation of the Creator in our existence thats it. It wasnt until the retcon in 86 that the Phoenix became some separate cosmic entity that was made sentient by Feron and blah blah blah.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You are so dense its unbelievable. You couldnt hav read the thread to be posting the crap you hav. The Phoenix Force is an incarnation of the TOAA in our plane of existence. It took this form when jean burned up on the shuttle and became one with everything. This event allowed TOAA to funnel down into our plane of existence through Jean, therefore creating Phoenix which was simply a representation of the Creator in our existence thats it. It wasnt until the retcon in 86 that the Phoenix became some separate cosmic entity that was made sentient by Feron and blah blah blah.
Sorry than, I haven't read the thread, I thought you meant,...it doesn't matter, when I saw TOAA=PF, I immedaitely though, what are you thinink, sorry.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Why would you say that KG? The watcher says the Phoenix's power is second only to that of the Creator
The Watcher says alot of things. Such as not interfering. And we all know he would never break his oath.
Heck, the punk also regard Apocalypse as a threat, worthy to talk to the Watcher.
Originally posted by Beyonder
The Watcher says alot of things. Such as not interfering. And we all know he would never break his oath.Heck, the punk also regard Apocalypse as a threat, worthy to talk to the Watcher.
Just read this post and zip it. It explains most of what you need to know in a good way:
Actually both Eternity and the Living Tribunal already existed by a good decade.And Claremont knew both,since he wrote issues of Dr.Strange with Eternity and was supervisor for many comics at marvel at the time (and anyway this is not an excuse for the Watcher,which couldnt possibly have not known them even if they were invented later).The real problem is whether Claremont or Morrison are acknowledged by the rest of the Marvel Universe,because in their interpretation the Phoenix is just a name for the force of Creation (with the capital C).The original idea was that when Jean Grey died on the shuttle for an instant her mind came in touch with all of creation:all of life (telepathy) all matter and energy (telekinesis).She was then able to reform herself as Phoenix,and became an avatar,or incarnation (very much in the sense in which Jesus Christ is an incarnation of God),of the primal force of Creation,which flows through everything that islanets,stars,matter,energy,time,space.
Before the retcon phoenix was not the name of the force,but only the symbol of the rebirth of the human into the divine.Notice how many times Claremont uses the term "creation" "primal force of creation" when he describes the phoenix,from the very beginning in xmen 101,when Jean says in her delirium when the x-men bring her to the hospital that the planets,the stars,all of creation is a part of her.Through her this force of creation could act in our plane of existence,and save the universe/multiverse repairing the M'Krann Crystal,which holds all of reality together.
In Morrison version the Phoenix avatars exist outside time and space
in the White Hot Room,they tend to the various broken universes when need be they get incarnated into them to perform acts of microsurgery from the inside.In the kabalistic symbology that Claremont first used the Phoenix is a symbol of the incarnation of God in the mortal plane,and the Crown is the highest form of God
conceivable and the origin of everything😛resence and Source are synonims of the Crown,all three are names of the same aspect of God.
U would say that 11. Krona is nothing compared to the Phoenix of the White Crown. Jean would utterly destroy him. Heres Markolins post from another thread which gives a good insight into the scale of Jeans power and her role in the multiverse:
"Even the Beyonder thought that noone could challenge his powers.
Thanos defeated Akhenaton,but Akhenaton had gained the HOTU from a different timeline.Tom Breevort has said that The End happened in an alternate reality.This is marvel's stance.This means that Thanos did not control the Multiverse,but only an alternate reality.Maybe there are other realities in which Akhenaton won,and other in which Doom succeded.Anyway to have power over the MUltiverse you must beabove it,not a part of it.When you introduce alternate realities you destroy the idea of power over the multiverse.
Thanos could probably overpower the LT because there are limits to the power the LT can employ in a single universe,as shown by what ifs or alternate realities in which he could not easily beat universal threats.
Furthermore,the LT uses M-bodies to manifest,and so do the other abstracts.They cannot manifest directly,and probably there is a limit to the power they can manifest through the m-bodies.
The Phoenix Force needs avatars to act because it exists on a higher plane of reality,just like the true Beyonders that can interact with our reality only through cosmic cubes.Did you see the True Beyonders in the End?Their universe was affected or not? Quite simply,they cannot be contained in the normal universe.
It would be like a human being trying to interact directly with bacteria or subatomic particles.In Nxm 154 Jean reformed the Universe and held it in her hands.And she was but one of countless phoenix avatars seen in the WHR,following the orders from the "voice" which was probably meant to represent God.
In the White Hot Room single Universes are seen as flickering points of light. In Morrison interpretation the phoenixes get incarnated to perform acts of microsurgery from the inside.When there is need of a "human viewpoint" for precision work.The M'Krann Crystal,if not repaired,would have destroyed all of reality😖o jean had to become Phoenix.Thanos ultimately returned everything to the status quo in which it was before;so there was no need to intervene.The voice/consciousness and the phoenixes exist outside normal spacetime,and can see everything from beginning to End.Therefore they know when a crisis will resolve itself or not."