Battle of the Next-Generation Consoles

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
LBP2 is going to up the ante a bit, imo.

And the PS3 WILL continue to catch up, even after this gen is over.

Micro$oft will release another half-baked console, but the PS3 will be here to stay, considering the fact that until now the console has not been fully utilized to its max potential... A whopping 1.8 TFLOPs of GPU!

The tired "It's so powerful if it's just used properly" argument just makes me think of guys making claims about penis size. If it's not being used, how big the harddrive is doesn't exactly matter.

I love LBP but it's too niche to really be a system mover.

And they've had four years to fully utilize the system's power. That's not an excuse anymore. It hasn't been for ages. Frankly, it never was.

Personally, I'd blame Sony's inability to market anything properly more than anything else. Only just this year have they finally gotten some sort of decent marketing together.

It does seem like Sony got its act together (from the Slim onwards) far too late.

Worldwide, where the 360 has a six million lead despite the Japanese handicap, I think at the current sales rate the 360 will be gaining a million a year on the PS3. That's probably inflated due to Halo right now, but then we also have the heavy hype on the kinect to come soon, and whilst I don't care about that I am getting the feeling it is a bigger deal than the Move.

I don't actually believe the PS3 has this oft claimed potential. We'd have seen it by now. For whatever practical or technological reason, it is not noticeably better than a 360 and never really will be, and if they wait for Microsoft to release another console they'll get creamed in the spec department.

Sony has lost this one. The PS3 has done ok overall; it's not a disaster. It's just a big loss from the last generation.

Honestly, I think that short-term Move will do better, long-term Kinect will win out, and overall both are going to more or less not do too well.

Doesn't help that every Move game out so far has gotten fairly poor ratings with I believe the exception of Sports Champions, which is literally no different than Wii Sports Resort. And yes, I've played it. It also won't help that there are Move games (at least one coming so far) that will require two motion controllers per player. That requires you to spend $100+ for just one person to play.

Kinect is also expensive, and I think it looks absolutely ridiculous, however, since it's pretty much made for stuff like fitness games, I think that overall it will appeal more.

I just don't expect either to do too well.

Originally posted by Peach
Infamous 2 is not going to come out for some time because people were put off enough by the character redesign that they pretty much had to scrap everything and go back to the drawing board.

And while the Kingdom Hearts games are popular, I'd hesitate to bank on it. Considering there has been absolutely nothing on it whatsoever.

And yet that still hasn't happened. I can only think of one game that was 360 exclusive that went multiplatform, and that was well after release. Meanwhile, PS3 exclusives that went multiplatform because the developers didn't think they'd make enough are much easier to find.

I think Cole's design is pretty much done. I can't recall there being more than a month or two in between image changes on the website, if there was even that.

I wouldn't. 😬 Kingdom Hearts fan base seems to be growing all the time to me. If they ever decide to actually get the damn series back on to a console I wouldn't be surprised if the game sold absurdly well.

I'm sure. It isn't so far fetched to think you wouldn't make enough money as a PS3 exclusive when I recall there being a $600 price tag on the few consoles they released in the first place.

It hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.

The problem with the PS3's claimed potential is pretty clear to anyone with a working knowledge of computer architecture. The much-vaunted CELL Processor stores and retrieves data in its eight partitions in such a way that makes using one type of data (graphical, programming, sound) across two parts almost impossible without very difficult and specific workarounds.

Which is compounded by the fact that PS3 development kits are very finicky in interacting with PCs for game creation, whereas the 360 was designed from the start with PC compatibility in mind.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I think Cole's design is pretty much done. I can't recall there being more than a month or two in between image changes on the website, if there was even that.

I wouldn't. 😬 Kingdom Hearts fan base seems to be growing all the time to me. If they ever decide to actually get the damn series back on to a console I wouldn't be surprised if the game sold absurdly well.

I'm sure. It isn't so far fetched to think you wouldn't make enough money as a PS3 exclusive when I recall there being a $600 price tag on the few consoles they released in the first place.

It hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.

Image changes on the website don't really have much to do with it, though. There's far more involved than that in a character redesign. GK can explain it better than I could, though, he knows far more about that sort of thing.

When you do as much as change a single character design, don't you then need to program exactly how he and how everything else in-game will react to it or something?

We've also seen new Cole design in a trailer for the game. On the website, people seem to be bitching a lot less than with the first redesign. I believe that accepted design is accepted.

Originally posted by Peach
Image changes on the website don't really have much to do with it, though. There's far more involved than that in a character redesign. GK can explain it better than I could, though, he knows far more about that sort of thing.

Originally posted by NemeBro
When you do as much as change a single character design, don't you then need to program exactly how he and how everything else in-game will react to it or something?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
We've also seen new Cole design in a trailer for the game. On the website, people seem to be bitching a lot less than with the first redesign. I believe that accepted design is accepted.

Trailers are generally pre-rendered video. Rarely ever has anything to do with in-game assets. Changing the model to create a video is not the same as changing it and inserting it into the game.

I mean, even Nintendo- who have got a reputation for doing the cheap and cheerful thing (though it was only a generation ago they had the graphics king with the Gamecube)- are releasing a handhled with fairly startling power claims (so much so that I am sceptical of many of them, amusing as it would be if their handheld is actually more powerful than a Wii).

If Nintendo can do that on a handheld with their general vibe away from prioritising sheer horsepower, than if Microsoft put their mind towards a full console release then it would be stratospherically better than a PS3. That long term game simply won't work for Sony.

I'm still surprised Microsoft didn't announce a sequel console. They're prolonging the 360 with a Kinect instead, which is... meh...

Originally posted by Peach
The PS3 does not have more games; the 360 still has a lead on that. Also, the fact that it may or may not have more exclusives isn't relevant as 360 exclusives still sell far more, and non-exclusives sell significantly better on the 360. The 360 also has a much higher software attach rate than the PS3 (as in, twice as much).

PS3 is catching up, but I don't think it will actually do so.

What actually good exclusives does the 360 have again?

all of them 😂

Nah.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
What actually good exclusives does the 360 have again?

But 360 exclusives are laemer =<

For producers, selling power is important.

But for consumers (the gamers themselves), quality > selling power every single time.

Consumers don't really give a damn about how much the game will sell, unless he/she/they are brand loyalists or bandwagon hoppers.

It's the experience, the enjoyment, and the amazement that counts. At least most of the time.

so then you agree that the 360 has more quality games since its got more sales?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
For producers, selling power is important.

But for consumers (the gamers themselves), quality > selling power every single time.

Consumers don't really give a damn about how much the game will sell, unless he/she/they are brand loyalists or bandwagon hoppers.

It's the experience, the enjoyment, and the amazement that counts. At least most of the time.