Gladiator vs. Thanos

Originally posted by Insane Titan
no one thinks that at all , you just get upset and can't face facts that shown on panel Herald lvl guys rarely effect Thanos.

It's simple to understand Thanos will react before anything they do can make any head way.

Yes, there are people who think that.

And I will like to see all this reaction time speed feats of thanos that you are talking about, because so far what I have seen translates only into thanos calculating trayectories to intercept enemies, while constantly lacking or having poor showings vs people who can actually dance around him and hit with less strength than the character he is facing here

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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yes, there are people who think that.

And I will like to see all this reaction time speed feats of thanos that you are talking about, because so far what I have seen translates only into thanos calculating trayectories to intercept enemies, while constantly lacking or having poor showings vs people who can actually dance around him and hit with less strength than the character he is facing here

Poor showings against people that dance around him like who? Lol you're gonna name The Runner using the space gem or him and Gamora sparring when he faked she had nerve stunned him.

All people have to do is prove by showing Gladiator beating or at least holding his own against someone Thanos lvl , which no one can to even make this a contest.

If ppl want to use all character type, fine Thanos hits Gladiator with a omni directional gamma radiation blast as Glads is weak to radiation and he's dead.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Poor showings against people that dance around him like who? Lol you're gonna name The Runner using the space gem or him and Gamora sparring when he faked she had nerve stunned him.

What's your excuse for Captain Marvel and Eros being faster than Thanos, dancing around him and the narration and Eros making fun of Thanos' speed?

What's your excuse for Thanos not being fast enough to catch Spider-Man, but sending his guards after him?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
All people have to do is prove by showing Gladiator beating or at least holding his own against someone Thanos lvl , which no one can to even make this a contest.

That's flawed.

I'm not saying that Gladiator can beat Thanos. If Gladiator stands at one spot and Thanos starts attacking Gladiator, then Gladiator will go down very fast. However, if Gladiator uses his SUPERIOR speed, then Thanos will never be able to tag him.

Thanos would take a couple of planet busting punches to his face, before he can even raise his hand, no matter if you like it or not.

But as I said it, I would ultimately side with Thanos for the outcome of the battle, simply because he has overall too many advantages over Gladiator, but the speed is not one of these advantages. It's a big disadvantage, which would make the fight incredibly annoying for Thanos and ultimately also tough, because Gladiator would be able to generate a ridiculous amount of damage in the time it takes Thanos to properly act upon the reaction.

For me this fight is 6-4 for Thanos. It's for sure not a stomp like Thanos fans want it to be. If Gladiator loses the access to his superspeed like it's the case in comic books, then it turns into an actual stomp, but in a board battle Thanos has to work for his win, because Gladiator is that much faster.

Originally posted by Enzeru
What's your excuse for Captain Marvel and Eros being faster than Thanos, dancing around him and the narration and Eros making fun of Thanos' speed?

What's your excuse for Thanos not being fast enough to catch Spider-Man, but sending his guards after him?

That's flawed.

I'm not saying that Gladiator can beat Thanos. If Gladiator stands at one spot and Thanos starts attacking Gladiator, then Gladiator will go down very fast. However, if Gladiator uses his SUPERIOR speed, then Thanos will never be able to tag him.

Thanos would take a couple of planet busting punches to his face, before he can even raise his hand, no matter if you like it or not.

But as I said it, I would ultimately side with Thanos for the outcome of the battle, simply because he has overall too many advantages over Gladiator, but the speed is not one of these advantages. It's a big disadvantage, which would make the fight incredibly annoying for Thanos and ultimately also tough, because Gladiator would be able to generate a ridiculous amount of damage in the time it takes Thanos to properly act upon the reaction.

For me this fight is 6-4 for Thanos. It's for sure not a stomp like Thanos fans want it to be. If Gladiator loses the access to his superspeed like it's the case in comic books, then it turns into an actual stomp, but in a board battle Thanos has to work for his win, because Gladiator is that much faster.

Big deal Spider man danced round him once, I could find instances on every character in comics like that.

Glads has never gone around throwing planet busting punches one after another , stop making it up or prove it.

Thanos can tag with Glads with omni directional blasts easy if needed.

I go by what's shown in comics. we've seen various herald lvl guy have little to no effect on Thanos, and we've seen far less than Thsnos take Glads down and Kalkark never match anyone like Thanos.

Hell Thor wit the PG could only make Thanos nose trickle with blood, Gladiator would have KTFO at the very least.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
are you being dense for fun?

No. Are you?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Again you're using weaker and less formidable version of Thanos to prove you're point.

None of those upgrades increased Thanos' speed noticeably, if at all. None.
Thanos never had a decent speed, upgraded or not. When someone doesn't have any speed showings, then we assume that he is not fast.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Big deal Spider man danced round him once, I could find instances on every character in comics like that.

It is a big deal, because it proves that it's not in Thanos' power set to step one foot in front of the other at high speeds and the same applies for his arm movements.

He is NOT fast. Deal with it, fanboy.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Glads has never gone around throwing planet busting punches one after another , stop making it up or prove it.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/1310464-624540_solarsystem051ws_super.jpg

Imagine these punches hitting Thanos in the face. Multiple of those IN THE FACE at a speed which Thanos can't deal with. Again: Thanos doesn't have a single speed showing that proves that he can keep up with Gladiator. Not even... a single speed showing... (Obviously excluding the patheticness that is comic book writing for the masses, where Hulk tags Gladiator.)

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Thanos can tag with Glads with omni directional blasts easy if needed.

Gladiator can run / fly away from the range of the omni-directional blasts easy, if needed and simply return and continue to fight once their effects wear off.

[QUOTE=14849019]Originally posted by Insane Titan
I go by what's shown in comics. we've seen various herald lvl guy have little to no effect on Thanos, and we've seen far less than Thsnos take Glads down and Kalkark never match anyone like Thanos.

That's your flaw and the reason why so many people disagree with you. You go by what's shown in the comic :-7 And while there might be nothing wrong with that approach in certain cases... there is something wrong with it, when you totally ignore the on-panel-advantages a character has over another, just to make a case for your own character.
Speed kills... Speed is a big deal and on panel Gladiator has speed showings, which dwarf everything Thanos has come up with over the years.

Your only argument is: "Thanos tagged Silver Surfer in the comic"... and you refuse to adress the bad writing, where Hulk tags Sentry, Deathstroke tags Flash and Batman tags Wonder Woman, because all of the tagged characters have feats, which prove that they should be able to EASILY outspeed their opponents, who don't have the speed feats to compete with that.
And in Thanos case we even had characters making fun about how slow he is.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Hell Thor wit the PG could only make Thanos nose trickle with blood, Gladiator would have KTFO at the very least.

Yeah, because that fight was totally going well for Thanos. He got his face bloodied up and then immobilized Thor with a gadget, he had to get from his basement.

When Champion with the PG attacked him, he summoned his force field, which started crumbeling and Thanos stated that would be the reason, why he was avoiding fighting the Hulk.
But in your mind when Thanos punches Hulk away during Infinity that's the ultimate proof that Thanos is teh shiat and already won that battle there - that he manhandled a high herald, even though Hulk stood right back up.

PS: Also LOL @ Black Bolt. Characters like Gladiator and Sentry have enough speed to snap Black Bolt's neck, before he even manages to open his mouth.

PPS: At this point I've said everything I have to say on this topic. It's obvious that I didn't convince you, since you still have your mad take on the topic. I've been arguing for so long in the first place simply to lay out an outcome for neutral debaters / people, who are interested in the fight and read through the discussion.

PPPS: I also understand why this topic might be frustrating for you. Here is a bunch of people arguing that Thanos would have his hands full with Gladiator, even though Thanos is obviously the overall more powerful being. And he is... Thanos is overall the more powerful being without a doubt and he has the potential to win the fight easily, but the unfortunate thing is that you absolutely refuse to admit that Thanos has one disadvantage in the fight, which makes it slightly competetive and that is Thanos lack of super speed.

Originally posted by Enzeru
No. Are you?

None of those upgrades increased Thanos' speed noticeably, if at all. None.
Thanos never had a decent speed, upgraded or not. When someone doesn't have any speed showings, then we assume that he is not fast.

It is a big deal, because it proves that it's not in Thanos' power set to step one foot in front of the other at high speeds and the same applies for his arm movements.

He is NOT fast. Deal with it, fanboy.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/1310464-624540_solarsystem051ws_super.jpg

Imagine these punches hitting Thanos in the face. Multiple of those IN THE FACE at a speed which Thanos can't deal with. Again: Thanos doesn't have a single speed showing that proves that he can keep up with Gladiator. Not even... a single speed showing... (Obviously excluding the patheticness that is comic book writing for the masses, where Hulk tags Gladiator.)

That's your flaw and the reason why so many people disagree with you. You go by what's shown in the comic :-7 And while there might be nothing wrong with that approach in certain cases... there is something wrong with it, when you totally ignore the on-panel-advantages a character has over another, just to make a case for your own character.
Speed kills... Speed is a big deal and on panel Gladiator has speed showings, which dwarf everything Thanos has come up with over the years.

Your only argument is: "Thanos tagged Silver Surfer in the comic"... and you refuse to adress the bad writing, where Hulk tags Sentry, Deathstroke tags Flash and Batman tags Wonder Woman, because all of the tagged characters have feats, which prove that they should be able to EASILY outspeed their opponents, who don't have the speed feats to compete with that.
And in Thanos case we even had characters making fun about how slow he is.

Yeah, because that fight was totally going well for Thanos. He got his face bloodied up and then immobilized Thor with a gadget, he had to get from his basement.

When Champion with the PG attacked him, he summoned his force field, which started crumbeling and Thanos stated that would be the reason, why he was avoiding fighting the Hulk.
But in your mind when Thanos punches Hulk away during Infinity that's the ultimate proof that Thanos is teh shiat and already won that battle there - that he manhandled a high herald, even though Hulk stood right back up.

PS: Also LOL @ Black Bolt. Characters like Gladiator and Sentry have enough speed to snap Black Bolt's neck, before he even manages to open his mouth.

PPS: At this point I've said everything I have to say on this topic. It's obvious that I didn't convince you, since you still have your mad take on the topic. I've been arguing for so long in the first place simply to lay out an outcome for neutral debaters / people, who are interested in the fight and read through the discussion.

[b]PPPS: I also understand why this topic might be frustrating for you. Here is a bunch of people arguing that Thanos would have his hands full with Gladiator, even though Thanos is obviously the overall more powerful being. And he is... Thanos is overall the more powerful being without a doubt and he has the potential to win the fight easily, but the unfortunate thing is that you absolutely refuse to admit that Thanos has one disadvantage in the fight, which makes it slightly competetive and that is Thanos lack of super speed. [/B]

It's funny since he was shown to to react to ppl faster than Marvell and Eros. Lol both Fallen one and Ganymede showed speed feats in the same story.

Yet he has shown to do so.

He doesn't have to leap around been fast he just reacts to them before them can reall do anything.

So you have a COUPLE of instances , not Glads throwing every punch he does like you think as planet busters lol. You do know a planet isn't as durable or formidable as Thanos and doesn't attack back right?

Thanos held his own for a bit a actually effected Thor, Gladiatior wouldn't have been able to do that and would have been ko'd at the least after taking such hits.

Thanos compared Champions strength increasing to how Hulks would, plus he was talking in a past tense as in before he was upgraded before death. Did you notice how Hulk never went after Thanos! Plus it been shown Thanos wasn't afraid to face Hulk during Infinty war when he went straight for him confronting him along with Thing.

Haha pure fanboy rubbish, it's Already been proven Gladiator needed help against BB, hell Sentry needed Avengers help so he could blindside Blue Marvel.

Go cry some more , if you can't use u actual proof don't debate. It's simple show Gladiator having actual combat feats on panel that show he can at least hang with Thanos .... It's not hard to prove seeing as you're so sure.

Nothing frustrating about this topic at all, yeah Glads has speed he uses in combat now and again same for Thanos reaction feats, but Glads doesn't have the power to rock Thanos long enough before he's easily overcome with Thanos various advantages he holds over Gladiator.

More lies from you I've never used The tagging Surfer argument, I don't need to as I've given other examples. Haha you're having to use the old and weak version of Thanos speed to prove you're point. Poor poor form.

Why is the speed shit being argued again?
Odin doesnt have any speed feats I guess Gladiator gives him a good.fight as well.
Its not like Gladiator is gonna hit Thanos with shields on.
Also it was just shown Thanos can react to Gladiator by opening a portal right infront of him.

Originally posted by Estacado
Why is the speed shit being argued again?
Odin doesnt have any speed feats I guess Gladiator gives him a good.fight as well.
Its not like Gladiator is gonna hit Thanos with shields on.
Also it was just shown Thanos can react to Gladiator by opening a portal right infront of him.

Yup, Thanos is an elite team wrecker, he is an ominous villian, he is the exact "threat no single hero can defeat". Gladiator, Superman, Thor etc cannot win alone and would probably lose together against him. It's what he was written for.

Originally posted by Estacado
Why is the speed shit being argued again?
Odin doesnt have any speed feats I guess Gladiator gives him a good.fight as well.
Its not like Gladiator is gonna hit Thanos with shields on.
Also it was just shown Thanos can react to Gladiator by opening a portal right infront of him.

Stop with lies....uhuh

Originally posted by h1a8
you claimed that Gladiator was moving at his top speed. We see no evidence of it so it doesn't exist. Remember characters are sometimes written without superspeed at times, to appease the plot. So no evidence of super speed means no super speed.

Your conclusion doesn't follow. Being able to teleport an object to empty space doesn't mean they could be teleported inside a solid object. It depends on the way the object is being teleported. Through means of a portal, it isn't necessary to convert the subject to intangible form first (which is required to do what you suggest). If the object always stay solid then it can't happen.

You are losing it. If the writer had Thanos scared as shit of Gladiator then surely he would have wrote the fight between the two such that Gladiator would give Thanos hell (unlike brb). This is common sense. You can call it bad writing if you want but that is what will happen.

Thanos can teleport himself from one ship to another. That is a solid object. Thanos was able to react to his blitz. You are unable to prove how fast he was moving, and from his dialog he was itching to fight with Thanos, which meant that he was not taking his time. The idea the Thanos could have killed all of the Annihilators was shown on panel but he didn't. He could have but he didn't. That was plot. Gladiator needs to prove a lot in order to take on Thanos, and a guy that has trouble with Black Bolt isn't convincing me that he has the power to get the job done. Thanos would stomp his face in, just like he did to Black Bolt. You really need to come up with a better plan of action, because as far as I can tell you'd probably give Spider Man the win over Thanos. I sense a deep hatred within you my young Jedi. 😛

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you all ready seen the scan mentioned of him blocking Fallen one flying at him at light speed. Go to the respect thread or go read Cosmic powers #1-6.

Seen them, what about them? where does it says that fallen one was flying at light speed when he got blocked? and Cosmic powers 1 to 6? What about those? Are you trying to say he has super-speed reflexes comparable to Gladiator just because of that?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Poor showings against people that dance around him like who? Lol you're gonna name The Runner using the space gem or him and Gamora sparring when he faked she had nerve stunned him.

No, I am talking about CM, The runner as well, as he will have very high reflexes compared to Thanos, the same way Gladiator will have higher reflexes compared to Thanos. When has Thanos ever being presented as speedster to hang out with the likes of Gladiator in the speed department?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
All people have to do is prove by showing Gladiator beating or at least holding his own against someone Thanos lvl , which no one can to even make this a contest.

You DO know that comics fights are not equal to forum fights right? But in here you are supposed to use full capacity of powers in character, therefore Gladiator will have free bullet time punching thanos and I am even thinking that Thanos will have a hard time tagging someone who moves as fast as Gladiator.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
If ppl want to use all character type, fine Thanos hits Gladiator with a omni directional gamma radiation blast as Glads is weak to radiation and he's dead.

What omni blast? Does Thanos emits the same radiation that weakens Gladiator?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Seen them, what about them? where does it says that fallen one was flying at light speed when he got blocked? and Cosmic powers 1 to 6? What about those? Are you trying to say he has super-speed reflexes comparable to Gladiator just because of that?

No, I am talking about CM, The runner as well, as he will have very high reflexes compared to Thanos, the same way Gladiator will have higher reflexes compared to Thanos. When has Thanos ever being presented as speedster to hang out with the likes of Gladiator in the speed department?

You DO know that comics fights are not equal to forum fights right? But in here you are supposed to use full capacity of powers in character, therefore Gladiator will have free bullet time punching thanos and I am even thinking that Thanos will have a hard time tagging someone who moves as fast as Gladiator.

What omni blast? Does Thanos emits the same radiation that weakens Gladiator?

Fallen one flies around light speed shown in the comic and confirmed in handbooks and bios. Just as he flew at Thanos.

Cosmic powers is where said feats happen , go read it.

Yeah based on showing he has comparable reactions as Glads get hit all the time.

CM fought a weak pre upgraded Thanos, Runner had the space gem which put him so far beyond Gladiator. Thanos doesn't have to be a speedster he just has to be able to react to it, which he has shown he can.

So Glads gets to go full capacity attacking Thanos yet Thanos can't do so defending and reacting to it lol. Yeah we go showing on what there've actually done too not what we think and hope they can.

Thanos has used omni blasts several times . When surrounded by rigellian soldiers whilst trapped in a photon block and when imprisoned in the Klyn , killing Adam Warlock with one and just recently in Infinty when he started to go mad.

He has gamma , plus he has PC do it's not a problem for Thanos.

Thanos also has powerful TK strong enough to stop Mjolnir and Fallen One casually, not to mention force-fields powerful enough to trap PG Thor and Storm Breaker. Thanos could use any of these to slow or trap Gladiator long enough to beat him down or blast him to death.

Originally posted by Enzeru
No. Are you?

None of those upgrades increased Thanos' speed noticeably, if at all. None.
Thanos never had a decent speed, upgraded or not. When someone doesn't have any speed showings, then we assume that he is not fast.

It is a big deal, because it proves that it's not in Thanos' power set to step one foot in front of the other at high speeds and the same applies for his arm movements.

He is NOT fast. Deal with it, fanboy.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/1310464-624540_solarsystem051ws_super.jpg

Imagine these punches hitting Thanos in the face. Multiple of those IN THE FACE at a speed which Thanos can't deal with. Again: Thanos doesn't have a single speed showing that proves that he can keep up with Gladiator. Not even... a single speed showing... (Obviously excluding the patheticness that is comic book writing for the masses, where Hulk tags Gladiator.)

That's your flaw and the reason why so many people disagree with you. You go by what's shown in the comic :-7 And while there might be nothing wrong with that approach in certain cases... there is something wrong with it, when you totally ignore the on-panel-advantages a character has over another, just to make a case for your own character.
Speed kills... Speed is a big deal and on panel Gladiator has speed showings, which dwarf everything Thanos has come up with over the years.

Your only argument is: "Thanos tagged Silver Surfer in the comic"... and you refuse to adress the bad writing, where Hulk tags Sentry, Deathstroke tags Flash and Batman tags Wonder Woman, because all of the tagged characters have feats, which prove that they should be able to EASILY outspeed their opponents, who don't have the speed feats to compete with that.
And in Thanos case we even had characters making fun about how slow he is.

Yeah, because that fight was totally going well for Thanos. He got his face bloodied up and then immobilized Thor with a gadget, he had to get from his basement.

When Champion with the PG attacked him, he summoned his force field, which started crumbeling and Thanos stated that would be the reason, why he was avoiding fighting the Hulk.
But in your mind when Thanos punches Hulk away during Infinity that's the ultimate proof that Thanos is teh shiat and already won that battle there - that he manhandled a high herald, even though Hulk stood right back up.

PS: Also LOL @ Black Bolt. Characters like Gladiator and Sentry have enough speed to snap Black Bolt's neck, before he even manages to open his mouth.

PPS: At this point I've said everything I have to say on this topic. It's obvious that I didn't convince you, since you still have your mad take on the topic. I've been arguing for so long in the first place simply to lay out an outcome for neutral debaters / people, who are interested in the fight and read through the discussion.

[b]PPPS: I also understand why this topic might be frustrating for you. Here is a bunch of people arguing that Thanos would have his hands full with Gladiator, even though Thanos is obviously the overall more powerful being. And he is... Thanos is overall the more powerful being without a doubt and he has the potential to win the fight easily, but the unfortunate thing is that you absolutely refuse to admit that Thanos has one disadvantage in the fight, which makes it slightly competetive and that is Thanos lack of super speed. [/B]

Enzeru, Beta Ray Bill was destroying planets during the Storm Breaker mini. This did not stop Thanos from clobbering him down though. Bill is one of the mightiest heroes in the universe.

^
Yup.
Bill would crush Gladiator.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos can teleport himself from one ship to another. That is a solid object. Thanos was able to react to his blitz. You are unable to prove how fast he was moving, and from his dialog he was itching to fight with Thanos, which meant that he was not taking his time. The idea the Thanos could have killed all of the Annihilators was shown on panel but he didn't. He could have but he didn't. That was plot. Gladiator needs to prove a lot in order to take on Thanos, and a guy that has trouble with Black Bolt isn't convincing me that he has the power to get the job done. Thanos would stomp his face in, just like he did to Black Bolt. You really need to come up with a better plan of action, because as far as I can tell you'd probably give Spider Man the win over Thanos. I sense a deep hatred within you my young Jedi. 😛

That's right, we don't know how fast Gladiator was going. So you can't prove he was using grade A speed, especially with no evidence of super speed existing. What a writer doesn't show or gives evidence to (in terms of what happened) then it doesn't exist.

If the annihilators fought all at once then it would have been a different thing. Thanos fighting them one at a time is not a good feat. It just shows that he can beat them individually one on one, nothing more. Whether Thanos could have killed them or not is irrelevant since HE BEAT THEM FOR A WIN.

ABC logic doesn't fly here. Gladiator has the strength, punching power, speed, reflexes, and mobility to beat the brakes off of Thanos. That's why the writer had Gladiator being just as powerful as Thanos. Yes Thanos fear counts towards Gladiator's power level. It proves that if Thanos would have fought Gladiator then it would have been a tough and rough fight for Thanos. Otherwise, SA Mangog isn't shit since he hasn't shown to be shit.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Thanos also has powerful TK strong enough to stop Mjolnir and Fallen One casually, not to mention force-fields powerful enough to trap PG Thor and Storm Breaker. Thanos could use any of these to slow or trap Gladiator long enough to beat him down or blast him to death.

Thanos used force fields, not quite tk.
Slowing Mjolnir to a stop over a course of several feet isn't a great feat. Some heralds have merely batted it away or palmed it.
Stopping Fallen One with a force shield is a good feat, but then again Fallen One ran into the shield.

The problem here is Thanos, in a forum fight, may not be able to respond to Gladiator without him having super speed. In bullet time, Glads will see Thanos moving in slow motion. He will notice his hand raise, etc. and will respond accordingly. Otherwise, others are having Gladiator to not even operate with super reflexes and speed and will operate at the same speed as Thanos. If that's the case, then Thanos wins.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
so you just ignore them eh.

Fallen one flies around light speed shown in the comic and confirmed in handbooks and bios. Just as he flew at Thanos.

Cosmic powers is where said feats happen , go read it.

Yeah based on showing he has comparable reactions as Glads get hit all the time.

CM fought a weak pre upgraded Thanos, Runner had the space gem which put him so far beyond Gladiator. Thanos doesn't have to be a speedster he just has to be able to react to it, which he has shown he can.

So Glads gets to go full capacity attacking Thanos yet Thanos can't do so defending and reacting to it lol. Yeah we go showing on what there've actually done too not what we think and hope they can.

Thanos has used omni blasts several times . When surrounded by rigellian soldiers whilst trapped in a photon block and when imprisoned in the Klyn , killing Adam Warlock with one and just recently in Infinty when he started to go mad.

He has gamma , plus he has PC do it's not a problem for Thanos.

Fallen One doesn't reach light speed instantly. So him able to fly around at faster than light speeds is irrelevant. Also, Thanos reacting to someone from afar is not the same thing as him reacting to something from up close. Thanos would have to react to Gladiator throwing punches from 3ft away. This is a big difference.