Originally posted by Delta1938
Mislec registered in 2010, SlimSummers yesterday. Although it's odd that despite being registered for over 4 years, Mislec did not start posting until Tuesday, just 3 days ago.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
so you've just basically said because you don't like the Thanos feats named they don't count due to piss poor excuses,Those feats you named aren't the only reaction feats he has. Thanos has reacted to both Genis Vell and Jack of Hearts attacking him at flight speed and easily stopping Ganymede trying to blitz him like she blitzed Surfer and a Tyrant robot.
The whole part about Gladiator is rubbish filled with excuses. Face it he doesn't fight how you want at all. The only time IIRC he used such speed in a fight was to attack Thor from behind, which Thor easily countered.
I don't like the feats because they aren't feats really. I explained why.
What's flight speed? Do you mean light speed? What comic shows Genis attacking at light speed and Thanos reacts to him? Same with Jack of Hearts? Same with Ganymede? Also what are Ganymede speed feats?
I'm just saying that Gladiator will use his speed and reflexes in the fight, despite the plot calling for it (there is no plot). Gladiator has used speed and reflexes countless times in comics. How many times did Thanos use tp, shields, teleportation, etc. when engaging someone in a fight? You don't see me saying that he can't use such tactics do you?
You can't argue both sides of the fence! It's makes your stance look weak.
Either you argue that if Glads still uses his speed then Thanos will still win;
or you argue that Glads won't use his speed and that's why Thanos would win.
The latter is actually conceding that Thanos will lose if Glads uses his speed and reflexes.
Originally posted by h1a8no you didn't explain, you just gave excuses because you don't like them because of Thanos.
I don't like the feats because they aren't feats really. I explained why.
What's flight speed? Do you mean light speed? What comic shows Genis attacking at light speed and Thanos reacts to him? Same with Jack of Hearts? Same with Ganymede? Also what are Ganymede speed feats?I'm just saying that Gladiator will use his speed and reflexes in the fight, despite the plot calling for it (there is no plot). Gladiator has used speed and reflexes countless times in comics. How many times did Thanos use tp, shields, teleportation, etc. when engaging someone in a fight? You don't see me saying that he can't use such tactics do you?
You can't argue both sides of the fence! It's makes your stance look weak.
Either you argue that if Glads still uses his speed then Thanos will still win;
or you argue that Glads won't use his speed and that's why Thanos would win.
The latter is actually conceding that Thanos will lose if Glads uses his speed and reflexes.
Flight speed , as In what they fly around space at. The comic series all this happens in is Cosmic powers. I just told you she blitzed Surfer and a Tyrant robot using super speed. You have seen these scans before I've shown you them, but "forget" about them when it suits you.
Haha yes you , you say it all the time. Plus I'd bet Thanos uses said tactics more than the way you say Glads uses his speed.
You mean like you do. I use on panel facts and averages, you use made up
fantasy stuff.
Glads can use his speed, but not to the extent you say as he never has. But his speed is redundant as Glads doesn't have the combat feats or wins needed to beat Thanos.
Originally posted by Badabing
Seriously people, when you see a person trolling and their status is "Junior Member", don't you think it would be smarter to ignore the person and report them or PM a mod? So many angry people around here just looking to flame anybody who disagrees with them.
So he was a sock for real?
I thought about reporting him, but then I just sidetracked
Originally posted by Badabing
Seriously people, when you see a person trolling and their status is "Junior Member", don't you think it would be smarter to ignore the person and report them or PM a mod? So many angry people around here just looking to flame anybody who disagrees with them.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't like the feats because they aren't feats really. I explained why.
What's flight speed? Do you mean light speed? What comic shows Genis attacking at light speed and Thanos reacts to him? Same with Jack of Hearts? Same with Ganymede? Also what are Ganymede speed feats?I'm just saying that Gladiator will use his speed and reflexes in the fight, despite the plot calling for it (there is no plot). Gladiator has used speed and reflexes countless times in comics. How many times did Thanos use tp, shields, teleportation, etc. when engaging someone in a fight? You don't see me saying that he can't use such tactics do you?
You can't argue both sides of the fence! It's makes your stance look weak.
Either you argue that if Glads still uses his speed then Thanos will still win;
or you argue that Glads won't use his speed and that's why Thanos would win.
The latter is actually conceding that Thanos will lose if Glads uses his speed and reflexes.
that is the thing you nitwit.. we ARE using his feats to SAY... he has a track record dealing with fast people and has been able to do so. PERIOD. There is no getting around this fact. The people at Marvel, who by the way are vastly more versed on THIER character than you. They feel like Thanos can deal with speed just fine and THUS HE CAN. Period, end of story. No amounts of nah uh or I don't agree can change how Marvel views THEIR character.
Why are people still talking about Thanos being fast? He isn't.
He might have the reaction speed (if we're being generous here), but he doesn't even have a single movement / traveling speed that proves that his body can keep up with them.
Thanos tagging Silver Surfer happens for the same reason Hulk tags the Sentry, Deathstroke tags the Flash, Batman tags Wonder Woman and so on.
Comics... We are not discussing comic book fights, but board battles and in board battles characters make the best use of their abilities. In a board battle Thanos is frozen in time for someone like Gladiator, because Thanos doesn't even have a single feat, that puts him on Gladiator's speed levels.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Reacting (i.e. Dodging/blocking) at said speed doesn't mean said character can throw punches at that speed.Instances that portray such a disparity in speed are actually very rare and certainly isn't the norm, even for most of the characters that can move at lightspeed. Where evidence fails then common sense should prevail yes but we all have different perspectives, so if possible the theoretical side should be kept to a minimum. Otherwise we end up with circular debates with no conclusion in sight, and predictably lead to thread closure or reaching dozens of pages before people leave from boredom.
You seem to be getting PIS and CIS mixed up H1, PIS is subjective, and "best of their ability" or "full capacity" doesn't mean highest showings only. We can't disregard poor showings/performances just because we don't like them that's why we use averages. Speed is another power that should be averaged just like everything else.
It depends on the distance. Gladiator was throwing punches within a nanosecond. As far as block, if the distance is less than 4feet away then basically a character can throw it at that speed.
You have to know the reason. It has more to do with the plot and storytelling vs. what will really happen. Superman using his speed in every comic and beating his enemies in a single panel would be boring for comics. You have to have PIS in comics. It's not what happens in comics, but why do they happen. That's why we have the PIS rule in the first place.
I'm not confusing PIS with CIS. Characters are written without certain powers (that are supposed to be always on) at times and it has nothing to do with them not choosing to use them (CIS). For example, in some comics Superman's reflexes are always on, even when he is not concentrating and not paying attention. But in other comics, they don't exist at all.
I didn't actually claim HOW FAST a character will go in a forum fight. I just said that they will use their speed and reflexes(instead of being turned off) according to the rules. We should never pretend that every character (regardless of how fast they can move and respond) will fight with equal speed and reflexes. That would be asinine. This has nothing to do with CIS, but PIS. Where do you get that Full Capacity means that a character will operate only at their highest feats level? No one said that. I'm merely talking about a character WILL have their powers in a forum fight, instead of it being ignored for the sake of the plot (PIS).
Lastly, I go by what a character has shown and not by what they never shown. Full Capacity is that a character will fight at the best of their abilities AS SHOWN BEFORE.
If Gladiator has never fought with superspeed several times then I wouldn't be arguing that he will here.
Originally posted by Delta1938So basically you don't have anything to back your claim. You keep citing "full capacity" and "no PIS" but the rules also cite CIS in in play. You don't understand what "CIS" means, or you do and ignore it because you don't like it.
I used the term "bullet time" because it's quick and easy. I don't know if these guys are actually seeing the bullets, but it exists. See the quote. I've experienced the same thing when I was hit by a car in high school and nearly drowned as a kid. Neither example had anything around like bullet casings in mid-air for me to read, but both times things slowed down for me.
Why would a character start with human level reflexes and turn them on at will? We have so many feats of characters already have those reflexes always on.
Prehaps a character can increase there reflexes to a higher degree depending on the situation and they way their brains and body is structured.
This is moot anyway since Glads will have his reflexes in preparation to fight (before the bell).
Characters don't choose whether to use basic "always on" powers. They are just sometimes written without them. Thus it's not CIS but PIS.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Why are people still talking about Thanos being fast? He isn't.He might have the reaction speed (if we're being generous here), but he doesn't even have a single movement / traveling speed that proves that his body can keep up with them.
Thanos tagging Silver Surfer happens for the same reason Hulk tags the Sentry, Deathstroke tags the Flash, Batman tags Wonder Woman and so on.Comics... We are not discussing comic book fights, but board battles and in board battles characters make the best use of their abilities. In a board battle Thanos is frozen in time for someone like Gladiator, because Thanos doesn't even have a single feat, that puts him on Gladiator's speed levels.
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People are thinking "What will happen in a comic?" instead of "What will happen if characters fought at the best of their abilities and PIS isn't allowed?"
Originally posted by h1a8
👆People are thinking "What will happen in a comic?" instead of "What will happen if characters fought at the best of their abilities and PIS isn't allowed?"
PIS is when Thanos who BFR'd Gladiator light years away, did not teleport him into a boulder fusing his molecules with the boulder which would effectively kill him. That's PIS h1.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Why are people still talking about Thanos being fast? He isn't.He might have the reaction speed (if we're being generous here), but he doesn't even have a single movement / traveling speed that proves that his body can keep up with them.
Thanos tagging Silver Surfer happens for the same reason Hulk tags the Sentry, Deathstroke tags the Flash, Batman tags Wonder Woman and so on.Comics... We are not discussing comic book fights, but board battles and in board battles characters make the best use of their abilities. In a board battle Thanos is frozen in time for someone like Gladiator, because Thanos doesn't even have a single feat, that puts him on Gladiator's speed levels.
Enzeru, and what about those feats ?
1 - Blocking Silver Surfer beam: http://i.imgur.com/3WLZxBx.jpg
2 - Stopping Fallen One (wich was, for sure, using super speed. Probably FTL, since we know he has this speed):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/53235/999324-thanos12___015.jpg
Originally posted by eaebiakuyathose feats just get discounted, just because!
Enzeru, and what about those feats ?1 - Blocking Silver Surfer beam: http://i.imgur.com/3WLZxBx.jpg
2 - Stopping Fallen One (wich was, for sure, using super speed. Probably FTL, since we know he has this speed):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/53235/999324-thanos12___015.jpg
Not to mention the other reaction feats I named.
