Gladiator vs. Thanos

Clearly Thanos, what is the point of this thread?

Originally posted by Kamahamaha
Clearly Thanos, what is the point of this thread?

Well some people believe that speed trumps all but reality warping, while others do not agree. Power, and character has to come into play at some point, or the Flash is the most powerful hero on DC Earth. Is he?

Thanos wins.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well some people believe that speed trumps all but reality warping, while others do not agree. Power, and character has to come into play at some point, or the Flash is the most powerful hero on DC Earth. Is he?

Thanos wins.

Pointless, Thanos is beyond mere Superman level beings. Even the original would lose to him.

Originally posted by Stoic
PIS is when Thanos who BFR'd Gladiator light years away, did not teleport him into a boulder fusing his molecules with the boulder which would effectively kill him. That's PIS h1.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Enzeru, and what about those feats ?

1 - Blocking Silver Surfer beam: http://i.imgur.com/3WLZxBx.jpg

2 - Stopping Fallen One (wich was, for sure, using super speed. Probably FTL, since we know he has this speed):

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/53235/999324-thanos12___015.jpg

I addressed these feats already. I'll do it again.

In the first scan, we don't know if Thanos reacted and blocked or got hit first and then decided to block later. Batman and many other non speedsters have blocked energy attacks before. So at best, this would make Thanos about their speed.
Finally, the attack was from at least 20 feet away. This is different than responding to an attack launched from 3 feet away.

In the second scan, characters don't instantly obtain their max speed. It takes time to accelerate to a certain speed. So, you don't know how fast Fallen One got before Thanos stopped him. Thanos could have seen him take off (Fallen One's speed is very low at first) and then raised his hand just in time before Fallen One got there.
This is like seeing a person pulling out a gun and then getting your shield up in preparation to block.

Bottomline, you used feats that occurred from a good distance and the attacks were dumb bullet like attacks (attacks that can't change directions based off reaction to the defender's defense

Originally posted by Kamahamaha
Pointless, Thanos is beyond mere Superman level beings. Even the original would lose to him.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Why are people still talking about Thanos being fast? He isn't.

He might have the reaction speed (if we're being generous here), but he doesn't even have a single movement / traveling speed that proves that his body can keep up with them.
Thanos tagging Silver Surfer happens for the same reason Hulk tags the Sentry, Deathstroke tags the Flash, Batman tags Wonder Woman and so on.

Comics... We are not discussing comic book fights, but board battles and in board battles characters make the best use of their abilities. In a board battle Thanos is frozen in time for someone like Gladiator, because Thanos doesn't even have a single feat, that puts him on Gladiator's speed levels.

Nobody is claiming Thanos is a speedster here.. Like you agree, he has very good reaction speed and that is all he needs to deal with these kinda characters with speed. That and his durability will see him be able to take any shot from Glads or Sentry and them just Omni blast them away and proceed to attack or whatever the case may be. We can't deny he has reaction speed because he has the feats to prove it.

BTW Thanos can travel faster than Glads.. he can teleport with mere gestures before Glads could even get there... I know what you meant... but I'm just saying he can travel faster 😉

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nobody is claiming Thanos is a speedster here.. Like you agree, he has very good reaction speed and that is all he needs to deal with these kinda characters with speed. That and his durability will see him be able to take any shot from Glads or Sentry and them just Omni blast them away and proceed to attack or whatever the case may be. We can't deny he has reaction speed because he has the feats to prove it.

BTW Thanos can travel faster than Glads.. he can teleport with mere gestures before Glads could even get there... I know what you meant... but I'm just saying he can travel faster 😉

Gladiator has thrown them blows at nanosecond speeds.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/1368437-39597113mf8_zpsd6f918bb.jpg.html

It still means nothing here.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator has thrown them blows at nanosecond speeds.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/1368437-39597113mf8_zpsd6f918bb.jpg.html

It still means nothing here.

It provides evidence towards Glads reflexes (for defense against Thanos attacks) and his movement speed (for attacking Thanos).

Not in a CIS environment where both fight in character.

Originally posted by carver9
Not in a CIS environment where both fight in character.

Yes, Glads will use his speed and reflexes because
1. He has that power
2. He has done so many times.

You have to learn to differentiate what is in character and what is not.
Writers writing characters WITHOUT their powers is not the same as the character choosing not to use them.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos has never done that so we can't be certain he could do that here. Also time is of the essence. Meaning, Thanos didn't have much time to think of the elaborate ways he can teleport Gladiator. Finally, if Glads uses his speed then it would be very hard for Thanos to teleport him.

I addressed these feats already. I'll do it again.

In the first scan, we don't know if Thanos reacted and blocked or got hit first and then decided to block later. Batman and many other non speedsters have blocked energy attacks before. So at best, this would make Thanos about their speed.
Finally, the attack was from at least 20 feet away. This is different than responding to an attack launched from 3 feet away.

In the second scan, characters don't instantly obtain their max speed. It takes time to accelerate to a certain speed. So, you don't know how fast Fallen One got before Thanos stopped him. Thanos could have seen him take off (Fallen One's speed is very low at first) and then raised his hand just in time before Fallen One got there.
This is like seeing a person pulling out a gun and then getting your shield up in preparation to block.

Bottomline, you used feats that occurred from a good distance and the attacks were dumb bullet like attacks (attacks that can't change directions based off reaction to the defender's defense

Superman is stronger and much faster. And that's enough to win the fight. So Thanos being beyond Superman is irrelevant.

Gladiator was using his speed, he was simply too slow to stop himself from being BFR'd. Did you read the book, or are you just trying to make things up as you go along. It is obvious that Thanos was fast enough to stop Gladiator's attempted blitz. It was right there on panel as he flew towards him. I assume that you will give an exact speed at which Gladiator was traveling without any proof to back it. And yes Thanos could have teleported him into stone, and killed him, just as he could have killed beta Ray Bill, the Surfer, Ronan, and Quasar as they were out cold, and helpless to do anything to stop him from killing them. That's what you call PIS h1.

BTW Thanos wins this with ease. Too smart, too tough, too powerful.

Originally posted by Stoic
Gladiator was using his speed, he was simply too slow to stop himself from being BFR'd. Did you read the book, or are you just trying to make things up as you go along. It is obvious that Thanos was fast enough to stop Gladiator's attempted blitz. It was right there on panel as he flew towards him. I assume that you will give an exact speed at which Gladiator was traveling without any proof to back it. And yes Thanos could have teleported him into stone, and killed him, just as he could have killed beta Ray Bill, the Surfer, Ronan, and Quasar as they were out cold, and helpless to do anything to stop him from killing them. That's what you call PIS h1.

BTW Thanos wins this with ease. Too smart, too tough, too powerful.

Gladiator didn't use his grade A speed. Traveling towards someone doesn't mean you are using super fast speeds. I saw the fight YES I DID. YES I DID.

You have to prove that Thanos can teleport someone in stone. He fought them one on one and they were fighting dumb. So it doesn't count towards ANYTHING.

Originally posted by h1a8
Gladiator didn't use his grade A speed. Traveling towards someone doesn't mean you are using super fast speeds. I saw the fight YES I DID. YES I DID.

You have to prove that Thanos can teleport someone in stone. He fought them one on one and they were fighting dumb. So it doesn't count towards ANYTHING.

You have to prove that Gladiator wasn't using his grade A speed. You actually have no idea how fast he was moving. Do you? Did it tell you on panel how fast he was moving? It couldn't have been too slow since he said that he was pretty much dying to test his strengths against Thanos. This means that he was in a hurry, or it at least lends more credibility to my argument that he was actually in a hurry as opposed to yours in believing that he was taking his time, if that was what you meant by him not using his grade A speed.

If Thanos can teleport someone light years away, then he can surely teleport them into an object. Pretty much the same way Night Crawler could. When he teleports a character to a destination they have no power over where they will end up. A boulder is a destination. Great playing with you, but you lose, and I win. Thanos wins. Too smart, too tough, too powerful. also to add to it, there is only so much that you can put in a comic with other plot lines to be met. He beat them. Whether the team that came together wrote it or another team wrote it, the ending would have remained the same... Thanos would have won. Thanos beat Beta Ray Bill up just like he would have beaten up gladiator. He may have gotten rid of Gladiator because if he remained, it may have made the conflict a little harder for him to win. But he still would have won. Barring that comment by Thanos about Gladiator being the most dangerous, it flies in the face of all of the times that he has gotten busted by far less than Thanos.

Originally posted by Stoic
You have to prove that Gladiator wasn't using his grade A speed. You actually have no idea how fast he was moving. Do you? Did it tell you on panel how fast he was moving? It couldn't have been too slow since he said that he was pretty much dying to test his strengths against Thanos. This means that he was in a hurry, or it at least lends more credibility to my argument that he was actually in a hurry as opposed to yours in believing that he was taking his time, if that was what you meant by him not using his grade A speed.

If Thanos can teleport someone light years away, then he can surely teleport them into an object. Pretty much the same way Night Crawler could. When he teleports a character to a destination they have no power over where they will end up. A boulder is a destination. Great playing with you, but you lose, and I win. Thanos wins. Too smart, too tough, too powerful. also to add to it, there is only so much that you can put in a comic with other plot lines to be met. He beat them. Whether the team that came together wrote it or another team wrote it, the ending would have remained the same... Thanos would have won. Thanos beat Beta Ray Bill up just like he would have beaten up gladiator. He may have gotten rid of Gladiator because if he remained, it may have made the conflict a little harder for him to win. But he still would have won. Barring that comment by Thanos about Gladiator being the most dangerous, it flies in the face of all of the times that he has gotten busted by far less than Thanos.

Your conclusion doesn't follow. Being able to teleport an object to empty space doesn't mean they could be teleported inside a solid object. It depends on the way the object is being teleported. Through means of a portal, it isn't necessary to convert the subject to intangible form first (which is required to do what you suggest). If the object always stay solid then it can't happen.

You are losing it. If the writer had Thanos scared as shit of Gladiator then surely he would have wrote the fight between the two such that Gladiator would give Thanos hell (unlike brb). This is common sense. You can call it bad writing if you want but that is what will happen.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nobody is claiming Thanos is a speedster here.. Like you agree, he has very good reaction speed and that is all he needs to deal with these kinda characters with speed. That and his durability will see him be able to take any shot from Glads or Sentry and them just Omni blast them away and proceed to attack or whatever the case may be.

Thanos may have certain reaction speeds if the opponent is far away from him and telegraphs a speedblitz. He sees it coming and reacts to it by stopping them in their tracks via force fields or his own attack.

Thanos however doesn't have even a single showing, which proves that he could keep up with these characters if they're standing right next to him and attacking him as fast as they can, while dancing around him.
On the other hand, Thanos track record against THAT is awful. Captain Marvel and Eros, who are both slower than Gladiator made fun of Thanos about how he was slow and not able to catch them... Thanos didn't even land a single hit. In close combat Thanos / Hulk won't land a single hit on actual speedsters, who use their speed to their advantage.

These are their speeds feats and Thanos' lack of speed feats speaking against your wishful thinking. I said it once and I'm going to say it again: This is not a comic book fight, but a board battle. In a board battle Thanos loses big time against the entire team of Annihilators, if they fight the way they should be fighting.

And don't kid yourself about the Sentry. Sentry would murderstomp Thanos into oblivion.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Thanos may have certain reaction speeds if the opponent is far away from him and telegraphs a speedblitz. He sees it coming and reacts to it by stopping them in their tracks via force fields or his own attack.

Thanos however doesn't have even a single showing, which proves that he could keep up with these characters if they're standing right next to him and attacking him as fast as they can, while dancing around him.
On the other hand, Thanos track record against THAT is awful. Captain Marvel and Eros, who are both slower than Gladiator made fun of Thanos about how he was slow and not able to catch them... Thanos didn't even land a single hit. In close combat Thanos / Hulk won't land a single hit on actual speedsters, who use their speed to their advantage.

These are their speeds feats and Thanos' lack of speed feats speaking against your wishful thinking. I said it once and I'm going to say it again: This is not a comic book fight, but a board battle. In a board battle Thanos loses big time against the entire team of Annihilators, if they fight the way they should be fighting.

[b]And don't kid yourself about the Sentry. Sentry would murderstomp Thanos into oblivion. [/B]

And here you're wrong again, you're trying to use the showings of Marvell and Eros against Thanos which is a major fail. Against Marvell it was the weakest version of Thanos before death greatly augmented his powers and against Eros it was a weaker clone.

We all know Thanos would dismantle Sentry in various ways.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
this is where you're wrong , Ganymede was stood near him when she tried to blitz him and she get owned.

And Ganymede is as fast as Gladiator now? Do you see how deep you have to dig to come up with "speed showings" for Thanos? :-7

Originally posted by Insane Titan
And here you're wrong again, you're trying to use the showings of Marvell and Eros against Thanos which is a major fail. Against Marvell it was the weakest version of Thanos before death greatly augmented his powers and against Eros it was a weaker clone.

And these upgrades turned Thanos into a major speedster?

Wait, tell me just one thing... Do you believe that Thanos is as fast as Gladiator? That they would be able to trade equal blows, if both of them used their movement speed to its best?
I would say that it's more likely that Thanos would take 100 planet busting punches to the face from Gladiator, before he can land one of his own. Gladiator has the speed feats to prove that he is that fast, while Thanos ... has never been portrayed as a fast character and never will (at least if I'm lucky and Starlin isn't reading this, raging and preparing a specific storyline, where Thanos is so fast that Gladiator never even sees him coming and stomping).

Sad thing is that some posters belive that Thor could hammer hit thanos face forever and it will not do anything basically.

Imo the speed difference is so big that glads may as well 15 minutes of bullet time free punching vs Thanos

But like I said, there are people who think that a top tier can hit Thanos forever and do nothing, I think that is silly

Originally posted by Enzeru
And Ganymede is as fast as Gladiator now? Do you see how deep you have to dig to come up with "speed showings" for Thanos? :-7

And these upgrades turned Thanos into a major speedster?

Wait, tell me just one thing... Do you believe that Thanos is as fast as Gladiator? That they would be able to trade equal blows, if both of them used their movement speed to its best?
I would say that it's more likely that Thanos would take 100 planet busting punches to the face from Gladiator, before he can land one of his own. Gladiator has the speed feats to prove that he is that fast, while Thanos ... has never been portrayed as a fast character and never will (at least if I'm lucky and Starlin isn't reading this, raging and preparing a specific storyline, where Thanos is so fast that Gladiator never even sees him coming and stomping).

Of course it upgraded his speed/reaction time as she upgraded everything else.

Thanos will react to Glads punches before Glads can land loads as proven he can, and Glads speed is irrelevant as he doesn't have the power or feats to show he can put Thanos down. You and h1 can try and use this made up version of a character but it still has to be based off what they've actually done in comics.

gladiator used his speed against Black Bolt when he attacked him and then needed help holding his own, we saw the difference in power when Thanos stomped BB

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Sad thing is that some posters belive that Thor could hammerr hit thanos face forever and it will not do anything basically.

Imo the speed difference is so big that glads may as well 15 minutes of bullet time free punching vs Thanos

But like I said, there are people who think that a top tier can hit Thanos forever and do nothing, I think that is silly

It's simple to understand Thanos will react before anything they do can make any head way.