Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't debating. His body isn't solid mass so flying through it to have it reform isn't impressive.Superman was an annoyance in that story to Infinity Man and Seid. It was stated.
Gladiator was an annoyance to Thanos.
We should focus on topic.
Make the proper thread to discuss
Soulfire Darkseid VS Thanos if you want
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElThat wasn't the issue. Soul fire Darkseid was well above Superman. Superman flying through him did nothing of consequence. Seid was made of energy and not solid mass.
We should focus on topic.Make the proper thread to discuss
Soulfire Darkseid VS Thanos if you want
This issue has been resolved here.
As for the thread, Thanos easily wins.
Originally posted by Delta1938Now you change your wording. Prove that Glads reflexes are always on. Well there is no evidence anywhere that supports that Glads must activate his reflexes. Let's assume that he does. Then in a forum fight he activates them at the start. So that's that.
You still have to prove that Gladiator's perceptions are always what you're arguing, no matter what you say that isn't related to something related to showing his perceptions are always at super speed.By the way, people can see things in "bullet time." Cops and and soldiers and marines and Special Ops and whatnot have reported experiencing this in firefights. One FBI agent talked about how he saw shot glasses falling, and he couldn't figure-out why they said "Federal" on them, until he realized he was reading "Federal" on his partner's spent casings suspended in mid-air(to him).
Also, by the way, "their brains."
I disagree with any notion that a human saw a bullet flying right after being shot. I call BS on that one.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
so you use Glads moving at his best speed which he rarely fights at if ever. But don't the same using Thanos best reaction or durability fight.And you complain about ppl cherry picking feats.
It is a contradiction for a character to see light speed attacks in slow motion and not be able to see an attack moving under bullet speed at all.
Using both their best feats Glads is still astronomically faster.
Thanos feat against the fallen one isn't a good one IMO.
You have to prove how fast Fallen One went before Thanos stopped him. Remember it was a short distance to begin with. So how fast can Fallen One have gotten within such a short distance?
Thanos feat against Mjolnir is crap because you can't prove how fast Mjolnir was going. On average Mjolnir is not more than bullet speed. Many characters (who aren't speedsters) have dodged, block, or avoided Mjolnir throws.
Thanos feat against Maker's fluffy energy is fluffy. IMO, that fluffy energy wasn't moving anywhere near the speed of light. If we accept that it was then we must accept that all energy projections are that fast (no matter how they look). That means that Batman and many others has light reflexes. So again Thanos is no more faster than them.
Originally posted by The SorrowGlads has reacted and moved his limbs enough distance within a nanosecond to prove he was fighting at light speed (being able to move limbs at light speed and react to light speed attacks). So yes he has.
Has Gladiator actually fought at lightspeed though? I know he has reacted in the nanoseconds or something like that but has he actually thrown punches that fast on panel?Again speed or even perception (for the speedsters) is not always on otherwise their conversations and interactions would always be at superspeed aswell. Most superheroes in comics can perceive at a far greater level than regular humans, even without possessing actual superspeed but can still react accordingly. Hell no human character should ever be able to dodge a character that can move faster than a bullet but this happens REGULARLY in comics and cannot be dismissed just because we think it shouldn't happen.
As I said in a previous post, for anyone not named Flash, speed most of the time just isn't as important as it should be and isn't this insurmountable force it 's made out to be on the forums. If it isn't in the comics then it shouldn't be here either, UNLESS we have seen direct evidence of that speed in that particular instance proving so. Another element is how speed is used IN CHARACTER. It's impossible for comicbooks to be irrelevant when we are using FICTIONAL beings, whose character traits are determined by the WRITERS. As per the rules this isn't what we would do with said characters powers, it's what we THINK that character would do along with evidence to support that.
If a character can move 5ft before another moves 1in then how isn't speed an insurmountable advantage? We can't ignore that common sense. That would be absurb and against all reason. What will be the point of debating when reason can't be used.
Lastly, with the rules we go by what a character HAS SHOWN. Full Capacity is about a character fighting to the best of their ability AS SHOWN BEFORE. We don't have characters operate and fight in crazy ways that have never shown before. We apply common sense to what they already have shown. We disregard PIS showings that go against both common sense and what the character has shown. That's why comic fights are not forum fights.
Originally posted by h1a8so you've just basically said because you don't like the Thanos feats named they don't count due to piss poor excuses,
He sometimes doesn't fight like that because the writer doesn't write him to. It has nothing to do with Gladiator's choice. Powers are ignored, abilities not functioning when the plot calls for it. But make no mistake, Glads has fought with super speed plenty of times. That's how we know it's a basic power of his power set.It is a contradiction for a character to see light speed attacks in slow motion and not be able to see an attack moving under bullet speed at all.
Using both their best feats Glads is still astronomically faster.
Thanos feat against the fallen one isn't a good one IMO.
You have to prove how fast Fallen One went before Thanos stopped him. Remember it was a short distance to begin with. So how fast can Fallen One have gotten within such a short distance?Thanos feat against Mjolnir is crap because you can't prove how fast Mjolnir was going. On average Mjolnir is not more than bullet speed. Many characters (who aren't speedsters) have dodged, block, or avoided Mjolnir throws.
Thanos feat against Maker's fluffy energy is fluffy. IMO, that fluffy energy wasn't moving anywhere near the speed of light. If we accept that it was then we must accept that all energy projections are that fast (no matter how they look). That means that Batman and many others has light reflexes. So again Thanos is no more faster than them.
Those feats you named aren't the only reaction feats he has. Thanos has reacted to both Genis Vell and Jack of Hearts attacking him at flight speed and easily stopping Ganymede trying to blitz him like she blitzed Surfer and a Tyrant robot.
The whole part about Gladiator is rubbish filled with excuses. Face it he doesn't fight how you want at all. The only time IIRC he used such speed in a fight was to attack Thor from behind, which Thor easily countered.
Originally posted by h1a8
Glads has reacted and moved his limbs enough distance within a nanosecond to prove he was fighting at light speed (being able to move limbs at light speed and react to light speed attacks). So yes he has.If a character can move 5ft before another moves 1in then how isn't speed an insurmountable advantage? We can't ignore that common sense. That would be absurb and against all reason. What will be the point of debating when reason can't be used.
Lastly, with the rules we go by what a character HAS SHOWN. Full Capacity is about a character fighting to the best of their ability AS SHOWN BEFORE. We don't have characters operate and fight in crazy ways that have never shown before. We apply common sense to what they already have shown. We disregard PIS showings that go against both common sense and what the character has shown. That's why comic fights are not forum fights.
Instances that portray such a disparity in speed are actually very rare and certainly isn't the norm, even for most of the characters that can move at lightspeed. Where evidence fails then common sense should prevail yes but we all have different perspectives, so if possible the theoretical side should be kept to a minimum. Otherwise we end up with circular debates with no conclusion in sight, and predictably lead to thread closure or reaching dozens of pages before people leave from boredom.
You seem to be getting PIS and CIS mixed up H1, PIS is subjective, and "best of their ability" or "full capacity" doesn't mean highest showings only. We can't disregard poor showings/performances just because we don't like them that's why we use averages. Speed is another power that should be averaged just like everything else.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
As I said in a previous post, for anyone not named Flash, speed most of the time just isn't as important as it should be and isn't this insurmountable force it 's made out to be on the forums. If it isn't in the comics then it shouldn't be here either, UNLESS we have seen direct evidence of that speed in that particular instance proving so. Another element is how speed is used IN CHARACTER. It's impossible for comicbooks to be irrelevant when we are using FICTIONAL beings, whose character traits are determined by the WRITERS. As per the rules this isn't what we would do with said characters powers, it's what we THINK that character would do along with evidence to support that.
Superman has had fights where he had trouble with an opponent, and devastated them with a speed-blitz, so maybe it's more writers realize how problematic it woul be than it's not an insurmountable force.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
😆Oh man, now I have heard it all!
And what are you referring to? Being your trolling self again?
Originally posted by Epicurus
What was the distance? Because even if that agent had actually experienced bullet timing perception, there's no way his eyes somehow magically magnified to read the letters if, say, the shots were 30 feet in the air.
It was someone next to him. And actually he saw beer cans before he realized they were bullet casings. Here's the quote.
"During a violent shoot-out I looked over, drawn to the sudden mayhem, and was puzzled to see beer cans slowly foating through the air past my face. What was even more puzzling was they had the word 'Federal' printed on the bottom. They turned out to be the shell casing ejected by the officer who was firing next to me."
Originally posted by h1a8
Now you change your wording. Prove that Glads reflexes are always on. Well there is no evidence anywhere that supports that Glads must activate his reflexes. Let's assume that he does. Then in a forum fight he activates them at the start. So that's that.I disagree with any notion that a human saw a bullet flying right after being shot. I call BS on that one.
So basically you don't have anything to back your claim. You keep citing "full capacity" and "no PIS" but the rules also cite CIS in in play. You don't understand what "CIS" means, or you do and ignore it because you don't like it.
I used the term "bullet time" because it's quick and easy. I don't know if these guys are actually seeing the bullets, but it exists. See the quote. I've experienced the same thing when I was hit by a car in high school and nearly drowned as a kid. Neither example had anything around like bullet casings in mid-air for me to read, but both times things slowed down for me.
Originally posted by Mislec
Here it's always an anxiety if there is a disagreement. Relax, it's just debate and we root for our favorite characters, even if we are wrong, we stick with them. It's all cool.
Originally posted by SlimSummers
my favorite character can bench press more than your favorite character
Originally posted by Mislec
I don't think so 🙂
Originally posted by SlimSummers
my favorite character bench pressed the earth
MISL EC
SLIM
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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Odd coincidence?Slim 10 posts vs Mislec 29 posts
Could be a coincidence. But who knows? Not sure if it's our place to be discussing this here. Might count as backseat modding. I just found it odd that Mis has been registered for years but didn't start posting until 3 days ago.
