Originally posted by Alpha Centauri You resorted to saying such things as:
"You f*cking retard.", "Suck a fart out of Arsene Wenger's ass.", "You have no life." (Why personal attack?) and "You're an idiot.".
You didn't deserve to be paid attention to until you calmed yourself down, so if you've calmed yourself down, I will allow our discussion about football to continue.
dont take it so literally. what is the point of this sentence?
Because when all you're doing is just telling me I'm wrong by using abuse, how much of my attention do you feel you deserve? Honestly? Even before you snapped, I was addressing and countering your arguments, that's precisely why you snapped.
I assumed you were accusing me of saying he cannot do anything. Never did I say that. Are you weaselling a point here?
Then he doesn't deserve the credit, because it's not necessarily fouls from the opponent. Nobody deserves to have skill countered with violence, not a ManYoo player, not a Spurs player, not an Arsenal player, no player. However, when you are suggesting someone who has you figured out is using violent conduct to stop you, and he isn't, you are a faker. Ronaldo is playing it up, and he has the advantage now because Fergie is on his period. He's comparing Ronaldo getting pressured and falling over to Eduardo having his leg snapped.
That was me explaining that there is more to United's season that people are not seeing, and they are getting undue credit for certain things. They're top because they have done enough to be top, Arsenal had a poor run of DECISIONS, yes, it sucks. Even if you remove Arsenal from existence, my point still remains. Teams still go to pieces under ManYoo's reputation and often destroy themselves from within. ManYoo don't destroy defenses so much as defenses destroy themselves. As proven by teams who've given them a hard time and teams who haven't.
My other point was that Ronaldo's goal tally doesn't truly reflect his ability, because of the aforementioned point.
So you can indeed take it how you want it, and you will, because it will make you feel like there's a loophole in my point; bias as an Arsenal supporter. My point stands even if Arsenal didn't exist.
Arsenal went the whole year without being beaten because they had one of the most destructive sides in the history of the league, where as ManYoo have strong players here and there, Arsenal had top quality in every position. ManYoo don't.
The barrage of personal attacks, probably.
People hate ManYoo because the media hype them up and treat them as untouchables. You think teams are not mentally affected by this? You'd think ManYoo had 11 Peles on the team by the way some of the media talk.
And I proved that it did, to which you just kept telling me what you wish had happened.
Every game televised, I thought that was implicit. It's usually all the big teams, so it would still be totally relevant to what we've discussed (As the players we're comparing are big team players; Kaka', Messi etc).
I didn't ignore it, I acknowledged it. What he did against Fulham (Wow!) is totally different to the kind of player and the kind of ability I am referring to. He could never do what players like Messi have done. Thus proving the point that he doesn't have enough overall attributes to be considered one of the world's overall best players. Goalscorers? Sure. Effective players? Sure. Overall ability? No.
You saying Park is as good as Rosicky is what makes you look bad, I don't have to do much. Then you have the nerve to claim you know about football. Park is a jobber.
Why cite winning free kicks as proof of a foul? He's an actor, he goes over at the first sign of a breeze. He wins free kicks because it's the closest he can sensibly get to stamping his foot and saying "Stop the game, I am Ronaldo, I demand a free kick, because that's something I'm good at...in the event I can't beat my marker.".
Because that's down to Vidic and Ferdinand.
-AC [/B]
i didnt snap man. cling on to that one as long as you want.
no weaselings going on, just pointing it out.
its basically the same thing, eduardo and ronaldo. people targeting a player or team and trying to hurt them. eduardo is just the worst case scenario when it gets out of hand. ronaldos had a couple scares this season where if he'd lifted his foot off the ground a split second later, it could have been a serious injury.
i dont know what you're referring to when you say they're getting credit for certain things they dont deserve. like playing the best football? arsenal probably get it for the start of the season form.
name all the teams that fell to pieces in front of man u's reputation this year for me please. theres what, 2 according to you?
im not comparing the teams, arsenals team was better, dont get ahead of yourself. i was just using them as an example because im sure there were a few decisions and lucky bounces that went there way through the course of the season and most likely a team having a off day.
how did you PROVE your point. by saying aston villas defence was shambolic because ronaldo got a lucky bounce in the box? united opened them up on the second through movement. then, after that, they weren't at their best, i agree. you go 2-0 away from home to arsenal in the first half hour and im sure you'll see a few heads drop and some tired defending.
its you whos doing the comparing, i was just saying you were selling cron a bit short.
must've missed where you acknowledged that. what messi did against getafe(Wow!) was amazing, never said it wasnt or that ronaldo could replicate it. you just said that ronaldo couldnt beat a player or many players and score a goal, so i provided an example of him doing just that.
rosicky does basically the same job that park does, he just starts for arsenal so hes more of an integral part of the team. they both provide width, they are both good defenders, they both provide good movement, they both pop up in the box with a goal every now and then. rosicky might have a touch more class, but they're pretty comparable.
read the post, half of them were actual fouls, half of them he was selling. watch the game, i can think of 3 times at least where he was fouled in the game, 3 or 4 times where he sold it. so more or less half were actual fouls, half where he saw the player trying to impede him and went down.
its down to the whole team, along with wes brown. hes not the best attacking fullback ill admit, but he hasnt really put a foot wrong as far as defending goes.
eboue though is shit from what ive seen of him in the midfield. hes a decent enough full back, but i dont like him as a winger.