Football (Soccer)

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Walcott doesn't track back. Eboue was playing to protect the wing, which he did, considering Man Utd only scored from set pieces. It seems to have gotten to the point where Eboue plays shit before he's even on the pitch. Even though he'd be Spurs' best midfielder and second or third best defender.

Well, it was a must-win game, so with a choice between a winger who doesn't track back and a winger who can't attack, the choice should have been obvious.

He'd be Spurs' best midfielder? Don't be silly. As effective midfielders, Jenas, Malbranque, Huddlestone and Lennon are all streets ahead of him. He's a lump who can run, and that's it.

When was the last time you saw Lennon deliver a ball that was useful?

Exactly. His grace period has passed, he's just a fast man now. As predicted, Walcott has surpassed him.

Originally posted by Df02
According to the actim index, Eboue has 1 assist this season. Obviously that's not counting Europe, so I don't know the actual total.
He hasn't scored in the EPL either, which is pretty poor for a winger imo.

I'm not saying he has a poor pass completion rate though, because I don't know that... But from watching a few Arsenal games his passing hasn't been to the 'Arsenal standard'. That's all i'll say.

I think we're waiting for the facts that Phat J has/needs to have for anything he said to be taken seriously.

He needs to prove this 80% failure rate or retract it, then replace it with "I'm seeing it this way.". We all know how he "sees" things.

-AC

hey alpha, arsenal needs to add they're team, and you're in charge of who they buy. which 3 players would you go for that would fit in with the team?

adebayor needs a good partner, i'm never convinced by van persie and hes unreliable due to injuries. goalkeeper perhaps?

it was a good match to watch from my perspective as i'm neutral, a mate of mine though thinks that gallas' handball should not have been a penalty but for me it clearly was. if adebayor was a better finisher it could have been 3-0 arsenal easily.

chelsea losing to wigan made me giggle mind. can anyone say... "choke"

Chelsea drew with Wigan..

Originally posted by Df02
According to the actim index, Eboue has 1 assist this season. Obviously that's not counting Europe, so I don't know the actual total.
He hasn't scored in the EPL either, which is pretty poor for a winger imo.

I'm not saying he has a poor pass completion rate though, because I don't know that... But from watching a few Arsenal games his passing hasn't been to the 'Arsenal standard'. That's all i'll say.

He's not an actual winger though, he's a right midfielder. Lest we forget, he's not even that, he's a right back. Lennon, a winger, has only got two assists, in a team which scores a lot of goals.

Eboue's pass completion is lower than his teammates', but still higher than Lennon, and quite a few Man Utd midfielders.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo

He'd be Spurs' best midfielder? Don't be silly. As effective midfielders, Jenas, Malbranque, Huddlestone and Lennon are all streets ahead of him. He's a lump who can run, and that's it.

Hahahaha. Oh dear God. That's literally one of the worst midfields in the league. It's ****ing dire. Effective? Laughable. As far as being someone who can just run, Lennon is streets ahead of anyone in the league. Pace and literally nothing else. No delivery, no vision, no shot, no football intelligence.

Originally posted by vandalworks

adebayor needs a good partner, i'm never convinced by van persie and hes unreliable due to injuries. goalkeeper perhaps?

it was a good match to watch from my perspective as i'm neutral, a mate of mine though thinks that gallas' handball should not have been a penalty but for me it clearly was. if adebayor was a better finisher it could have been 3-0 arsenal easily.

chelsea losing to wigan made me giggle mind. can anyone say... "choke"

Chelsea didn't lose. A last minute goal isn't really choking. Why does everyone but Man Utd have to choke? It was lucky.

I doubt Van Persie feels the need to convince you; he is probably the most talented striker in the league, and was well ahead in the top goalscorer charts until he got injured. He needs to get over his injury trouble, though. The first one was a knee injury that could have happened to anyone.

Eduardo getting injured has been the main blow for Arsenal- not only would he have scored the chances Adebayor got, but he was making lots of space for Adebayor with his movement.

Originally posted by vandalworks
hey alpha, arsenal needs to add they're team, and you're in charge of who they buy. which 3 players would you go for that would fit in with the team?

adebayor needs a good partner, i'm never convinced by van persie and hes unreliable due to injuries. goalkeeper perhaps?

it was a good match to watch from my perspective as i'm neutral, a mate of mine though thinks that gallas' handball should not have been a penalty but for me it clearly was. if adebayor was a better finisher it could have been 3-0 arsenal easily.

chelsea losing to wigan made me giggle mind. can anyone say... "choke"

I would buy Ben Arfa, possibly Benzema if he'd leave, Nasri for attacking mid.

Buffon, in an ideal world, would be the goalkeeper. Maybe snap up Clerc, Lahm.

-AC

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Right. Provide statistical evidence then. Obviously you have it, since it's a fact.

Although, you don't of course, as it's not a fact; it's as the French say, le BS.

Just in case you don't, I'm going to create a template to reply to you in future, to save time.

'Bullshit.'

okay, maybe 80 percent is high, that was exaggerated. although if you break it down in the context that i meant, you'd probably have a figure somewhere around there. everytime it seems he gets the ball in a forward position in the past couple months, he gives it away. do you disagree with that?

Oh, so we can conclude that you don't have ANY stats, it was just you bsing? Your argument isn't "He does it all the time." or "80% of the time.", just "He does it sometimes."? Well then, that's any footballer.

Please, continue to confirm what I've thought about you all along. "Watch Arsenal's games"? Who are you to say that? Some newbie to the sport who ALLEGEDLY watches the games in Canada. We've been watching football for more than a decade.

I say allegedly because you clearly don't, as continually proven by you having to make up bs and then retract it when those of us who DO watch the games, press you for facts.

-AC

Originally posted by Phat J
watch arsenals past 10 or 15 games, see eboue give the ball away. theres my evidence.

okay, maybe 80 percent is high, that was exaggerated. although if you break it down in the context that i meant, you'd probably have a figure somewhere around there. everytime it seems he gets the ball in a forward position in the past couple months, he gives it away. do you disagree with that?

Yes I disagree with it, because it's not true. If you watch any player with that prejudice in mind, it will seem that way.

Same as it's a fact that all Lampard's goals are deflections, while all Gerrard's shots fly in the top corner.

It's another bandwagon collective opinion that takes on the status of fact in many minds. Last season it was Hleb, with even Football365 saying he was 'rancid'. Once a few (more) people realised he was actually brilliant, everyone was all over his penis in compensation.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh, so we can conclude that you don't have ANY stats, it was just you bsing? Your argument isn't "He does it all the time." or "80% of the time.", just "He does it sometimes."? Well then, that's any footballer.

Please, continue to confirm what I've thought about you all along. "Watch Arsenal's games"? Who are you to say that? Some newbie to the sport who ALLEGEDLY watches the games in Canada. We've been watching football for more than a decade.

I say allegedly because you clearly don't, as continually proven by you having to make up bs and then retract it when those of us who DO watch the games, press you for facts.

-AC

jesus man, get over yourself.

do you honestly disagree that eboue hasnt been giving the ball away way too much to be playing in that position?

maybe i got ahead of myself there by saying the word fact, it obviously means more to you than it does to me. i forgot i was talking to the arguing in forums all day master.

when i said that, i wasnt thinking statistically eboues pass percentage is below 20 percent in attacking positions in the past 15 games, i was thinking of eboue giving the ball away every time ive seen him play. so i wrongly threw in the word fact to fill in the sentence. i do take that back, because i cant statistically back that up, i dont write his passes down as i watch the game and then calculate it at the end.

Originally posted by Phat J
do you honestly disagree that eboue hasnt been giving the ball away way too much to be playing in that position?

He hasn't given the ball away as much as you're making out, so no.

Originally posted by Phat J
maybe i got ahead of myself there by saying the word fact, it obviously means more to you than it does to me. i forgot i was talking to the arguing in forums all day master.

No, you just happened to be stupid enough to say "fact" when it wasn't a fact. There's no level of meaning, it's a fact or it's not. Stop getting stressed and trying to make shit personal.

Originally posted by Phat J
when i said that, i wasnt thinking statistically

Then why use a statistical percentage? Oh...cos you're a bit not there.

Originally posted by Phat J
eboues pass percentage is below 20 percent in attacking positions in the past 15 games, i was thinking of eboue giving the ball away every time ive seen him play.

Just like you've seen Flamini play poor every time you've seen him play, only to retract it. Just like you've seen Sagna have a shit season...only to retract it?

We know all about what you "see", Phat.

Originally posted by Phat J
so i wrongly threw in the word fact to fill in the sentence. i do take that back, because i cant statistically back that up, i dont write his passes down as i watch the game and then calculate it at the end.

Then you should stop acting like you do, or stop paying attention to the couple of things he does wrong in spite of the many more things he gets right.

-AC

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Yes I disagree with it, because it's not true. If you watch any player with that prejudice in mind, it will seem that way.

Same as it's a fact that all Lampard's goals are deflections, while all Gerrard's shots fly in the top corner.

It's another bandwagon collective opinion that takes on the status of fact in many minds. Last season it was Hleb, with even Football365 saying he was 'rancid'. Once a few (more) people realised he was actually brilliant, everyone was all over his penis in compensation.

im not jumping on a bandwagon though, i just dont like the player. i like to talk about it when players i dont like are playing badly. he has had a lot of bad games lately. you'd probably disagree with that as well though.

Based on what, though?

You're clearly jumping on the bandwagon. He's not had bad "games".

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He hasn't given the ball away as much as you're making out, so no.

No, you just happened to be stupid enough to say "fact" when it wasn't a fact. There's no level of meaning, it's a fact or it's not. Stop getting stressed and trying to make shit personal.

Then why use a statistical percentage? Oh...cos you're a bit not there.

Just like you've seen Flamini play poor every time you've seen him play, only to retract it. Just like you've seen Sagna have a shit season...only to retract it?

We know all about what you "see", Phat.

Then you should stop acting like you do, or stop paying attention to the couple of things he does wrong in spite of the many more things he gets right.

-AC

im not making it personal, its a valid point.

ive never said either of those things actually. i said flamini was having a great season, but hargreaves was as good a player as him. i said sagna wasnt the best right back in the world, which i still dont think he is. ive never said he was shit.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Based on what, though?

You're clearly jumping on the bandwagon. He's not had bad "games".

-AC

based on his performances in the past couple months.

Well we know how you judge performances.

Without watching them.

Originally posted by Phat J
just answer the question, dont spin it around so you dont have to answer it.

I said "...so no.". It was an answer.

Originally posted by Phat J
im not making it personal, its a valid point.

It wasn't, actually. How was making an irrelevant, personal comment about me, in an effort to divert the attention from your inability to use the word "fact" correctly, valid?

Originally posted by Phat J
ive never said either of those things actually. i said flamini was having a great season, but hargreaves was as good a player as him. i said sagna wasnt the best right back in the world, which i still dont think he is. ive never said he was shit.

Proof that you know nothing of football. Hargreaves as good as Flamini? Do YOU watch Arsenal's games? Hargreaves as good as Flamini, Park as good as Rosicky, probably would say Brown is as good as Sagna.

Actually the single most biased, unknowledgeable person on football that I've met here.

-AC

man just a few weeks ago you were saying i was the only sensible manchester united fan you know. now this?

it is a valid point, maybe not in this discussion, but in life. you spend way too much time on the internet. get a life.

hargreaves hasnt had the break out season flamini has had, which when you pointed out i agreed with. that since flamini has played so well this season and hargreaves has barely had a starting place, flamini based on how much he has played gets the nod. i think if hargreaves started every game for united, we could compare them. but flamini has done it so consistently and well that there is no comparison, yet.

i dont know what makes you think rosickys on this whole other level. hes a good passer, he has good movement. he has a good shot on him. hes good on the ball. other than that hes a pretty mediocre player. he just fits into arsenals system really well. park has all that except hes not as good on the ball, which ive said many times. rosickys better, but they are comparable.

actually the gayest person ive ever met on the internet, hands down. the award goes to you ac, you've earned it.

Originally posted by Phat J
it is a valid point, maybe not in this discussion, but in life. you spend way too much time on the internet. get a life.

AC posts pretty infrequently. Plus, what a petty thing to bring up, you're losing a debate about football of all things, and you clutch at such a meager straw, I think you're the one who needs to get a life - or perhaps a brain and a new football team.

Originally posted by Phat J
man just a few weeks ago you were saying i was the only sensible manchester united fan you know. now this?

Because you hadn't yet exhibited this behavior.

Originally posted by Phat J
it is a valid point, maybe not in this discussion, but in life. you spend way too much time on the internet. get a life.

Then it's not valid. Your opinion of me as a person, in general, is not valid or relevant here. Throwing personal attacks at me because you're an unknowledgeable poser in terms of football? Totally uncalled for and you're rendering yourself invalid by doing so.

Be ashamed.

Originally posted by Phat J
hargreaves hasnt had the break out season flamini has had, which when you pointed out i agreed with. that since flamini has played so well this season and hargreaves has barely had a starting place, flamini based on how much he has played gets the nod. i think if hargreaves started every game for united, we could compare them. but flamini has done it so consistently and well that there is no comparison, yet.

Then why say Hargreaves is as good a player as Flamini? Precisely, based on nothing but his shirt.

Originally posted by Phat J
i dont know what makes you think rosickys on this whole other level. hes a good passer, he has good movement. he has a good shot on him. hes good on the ball. other than that hes a pretty mediocre player.

Other than being good in all those areas, he's mediocre? Read that back.

Park is mediocre at BEST in SOME of those areas, so the case is closed.

Originally posted by Phat J
he just fits into arsenals system really well. park has all that except hes not as good on the ball, which ive said many times. rosickys better, but they are comparable.

They're comparable, literally, in that if you chose to you could compare them. They aren't sensibly comparable, Rosicky is ten times the player Park is.

Originally posted by Phat J
actually the gayest person ive ever met on the internet, hands down. the award goes to you ac, you've earned it.

Homophobia too? I must really own your moods. I can control you so simply, it's kind of funny.

Now reply to me, young one. Keep proving me right, haha. Go on, really. Do it (You will).

-AC

did you just say you control me? wow man. thats ****ed up.

dont get weird on me.