Lets get this straight i know we have already done this but this will end it

Originally posted by pr1983
when palps was using the lightning, he was definately faking, no question, but during the saber fight i honestly saw nothing to suggest mace was holding back either...

and yes, i think most jedi are that bad, remember mace has a very high reputation as a swordsman...

No, there wasn't anything to suggest either of them was holding back. I just refuse to believe Windu is stronger than Palpatine. Palpatine obviously knew he could take Windu otherwise he wouldn't have let Anakin go and tell him. I believe Palpatine foresaw all of it. Wether or not he was faking during the fight... he knew what would happen. He knew Anakin would come, so he knew he needed to be in a position of defeat and inferiority.

As I keep saying, Palpatine LOST the fight. He has to lose to show that he needs Anakin. If he could have won on his own merits, he wouldn't need Anakin, so Anakin's role would be reduced.

Plus, as I keep saying, losing makes Palpatine more human and interesting.

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Really, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree 😄

No, there wasn't anything to suggest either of them was holding back. I just refuse to believe Windu is stronger than Palpatine. Palpatine obviously knew he could take Windu otherwise he wouldn't have let Anakin go and tell him. I believe Palpatine foresaw all of it. Wether or not he was faking during the fight... he knew what would happen. He knew Anakin would come, so he knew he needed to be in a position of defeat and inferiority.

force wise, palps is easily superior to mace... fighting skills, i still think mace has got it...

if he wanted to be in the position of inferiority, why did he kill the three jedi? wouldnt it have looked more effective if he had made it look like he was being bullied?

Originally posted by pr1983
if he wanted to be in the position of inferiority, why did he kill the three jedi? wouldnt it have looked more effective if he had made it look like he was being bullied?

I see what you're saying though.

I dunno...

ok, how about this:

Palpatine thought he'd be able to take Mace which is why he let Anakin tell the Jedi. But he underestimated Mace's ability. Palpatine could have beaten Mace using the Force but didn't because he needed Mace to turn Anakin. Palpatine was beaten by Mace when his saber was kicked from him which he didn't expect. Palpatine scrambles away knowing Anakin is coming. He acts weak in order to manipulate Anakin... blah, blah, you know the rest.

meh, I'll have to see it again... I'm still of the belief that Palpatine underestimates Mace but is partially toying with him and could have taken him out if he wanted.

I'm goin to bed now. 🙂

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
nah, he needed to take out the other three... if he'd gone four against one he'd have been screwed... he needed to take them out early when they weren't expecting it.

I see what you're saying though.

I dunno...

ok, how about this:

Palpatine thought he'd be able to take Mace which is why he let Anakin tell the Jedi. But he underestimated Mace's ability. Palpatine could have beaten Mace using the Force but didn't because he needed Mace to turn Anakin. Palpatine was beaten by Mace when his saber was kicked from him which he didn't expect. Palpatine scrambles away knowing Anakin is coming. He acts weak in order to manipulate Anakin... blah, blah, you know the rest.

meh, I'll have to see it again... I'm still of the belief that Palpatine underestimates Mace but is partially toying with him and could have taken him out if he wanted.

I'm goin to bed now. 🙂

almost, you've almost got it... 😛

I'd say that Palpatine only attacked the Jedi so that Mace would want to kill him in the end. If Anakin would have come earlier and seen that the Jedi only came to arrest the chancellor and that Sidious was the one that first attacked, then Anakin wouldn't have turned dark side because he only wanted palpatine to not be killed. When Anakin enters the office he only sees a man without weapon being threatened by a jedi with lightsaber. If Anakin would have seen anything of the fight he would have sided with Mace. So I think that Palpatine faked most of the fight, because he forsaw most of that, what was going to happen. I voted that he didn't fake but I would change my vote.

he faked some of it. like the part when he was down and using the lightning and after his "disfiguration". you can tell by his eyes.

I agree he was faking that, but he wasn't faking the rest of the time

obi-wan, you lie! you said this thread would end this debate but now it looks as if its going to span for another 20 pages.

Sidious defeats mace WITH the assistance of Anikan. Anything else said is just pure speculation.

With that said
Sidious is not the type of man to take risks. He either knew he could defeat Mace and the other jedis or knew that Anakin would step in. He might of came close to defeat, Mace sure looked like he had the upper-hand. Maybe Sidious is just too smart, too strong in the force or just plain lucky (dark side destined to win this one?) in the long wrong Mace still gets singed.

Sith he was so faking he could kill Mace if he tried but he can't kill Yoda and Mace are not eaqual in strength theirs a diffrenc by a lot of years and Sith new Anikan was coming he can sence his presence like in the secound movie Yoda sensed Anikan was in pain when his mom died and Yoda didn't run why would he run he came right to the Chancellor his own will Chancellor tried to run he couldn't risk dying either could Yoda Yoda left at the end sure because he lost his light saber and his cloak he was to vanurble he can't risk dying with out weapon he needs to train Luke in episode 4 duh so yeah 😛

Originally posted by jerlark386
obi-wan, you lie! you said this thread would end this debate but now it looks as if its going to span for another 20 pages.

Sidious defeats mace WITH the assistance of Anikan. Anything else said is just pure speculation.

With that said
Sidious is not the type of man to take risks. He either knew he could defeat Mace and the other jedis or knew that Anakin would step in. He might of came close to defeat, Mace sure looked like he had the upper-hand. Maybe Sidious is just too smart, too strong in the force or just plain lucky (dark side destined to win this one?) in the long wrong Mace still gets singed.

very very good point.

Too smart, says I.

"Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design."

yes, he was faking.