What if Aliens exist?

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
I'm not talking about ghosts at all. As far as dimension goes, that is also one theory, but I'm actually talking about aliens being in the form of something we can't detect right here in the same dimension, the same time, in the same space with all them same planets and stars and all that stuff. I'm trying to come up with an example of this concept; Say a whale is swimming along and eats a shrimp. The whale has no idea it just ate the shrimp, and the shrimp has no idea it has just been eaten, this of course is due to size, but they coexist and are not aware of each other. But say for us, aliens are in a gas like form, or light, or something similar to that type of matter, and they run on pure instinct, and to them we are just objects in space that are meaningless, or maybe we give off a chemical in our sweat that they feed off of and we'd never know because we can't see them or feel them, and they have no idea that our sweat is essential to their life, they can just sense the chemical but don't have the intelligent capacity to understand it's source.

Who knows, I may have just described a virus. 😬

I hope that kind of made sense. 🤨

I dont know to me its like you are saying they are ghosts and they life with us and we caint see them .

I can see how you would think that, but I'm actually talking about something that didn't die and come back in spirit form.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
I can see how you would think that, but I'm actually talking about something that didn't die and come back in spirit form.

So you are saying that they were made to be invisible.?? wich could be true .but have a think on what the universe holds. to me i belive in a creator and if he did make other life forms they would be living on planets far away lilke us in different galaxies wich than the creator would but a invisible barrier in space that would stop us from seen them and them from seen us like a fish tank .

Obviously not a glass fish tank, right? What about the ocean? That is a whole other world in itself, yet it's in the same world we live in. Amphibians are aliens!

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
Obviously not a glass fish tank, right? What about the ocean? That is a whole other world in itself, yet it's in the same world we live in. Amphibians are aliens!

so you saying amphibains are aliens so that means that we can eat aliens. 🙂

Salamander soup, anyone? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
Obviously not a glass fish tank, right? What about the ocean? That is a whole other world in itself, yet it's in the same world we live in. Amphibians are aliens!

Meh, I wouldn't go that far. I think the point of the thread is to ask whether "extraterrestial life exists." Granted there are many sea creatures we have not yet discovered, so in that sense they could be alien to us.

That is the sense I was referring to in that particular post.

I think Hiker brought up an interesting query. His idea, alone is a solid question of quandary. By asking, what if we might be surrounded by aliens of another undetectable form that operate on instinct, and do not or cannot even acknowledge us? What if Aliens are conscious and intelligent, but share a drastically different consciousness? Perhaps our perceptions of reality would be alien to one another. With the obvious communication breakdown. Would there ever be any way for two species of opposite consciousness to establish communication ?

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
I think Hiker brought up an interesting query. His idea, alone is a solid question of quandary. By asking, what if we might be surrounded by aliens of another undetectable form that operate on instinct, and do not or cannot even acknowledge us? What if Aliens are conscious and intelligent, but share a drastically different consciousness? Perhaps our perceptions of reality would be alien to one another. With the obvious communication breakdown. Would there ever be any way for two species of opposite consciousness to establish communication ?

There could possibly be. It's like night vision in a sense that we can't see in the dark, but with the right technology we can. I think we would have to stumble upon a way to see or sense these aliens since we don't even know if they are there, hence we wouldn't even know how to go about finding them. And once we did find them, I'm not sure if we could comunicate with them, but rather only observe them.

Originally posted by debbiejo
If aliens could be proved, I bet many Christians would lose their faith in scripture since it doesn't mention it. Many believe that we've never gone to the moon, cause somewhere in the Bible it say that man will not leave the earth, or something like that.

sorry to quote so early on from this?

There is always an amendment to faith some may lose faith but just like with the heaven idea, at first it was just the sky, the clouds held the angels, then we invented airplanes and it was moved to the stars and outer space, then we traveled to space and it became another dimension, something beyond space, the point is that no matter what until we can fully disprove there is a greater being anywhere in any dimension universe anywhere then we cannot remove all religion... discovery of aliens as well will not change much they'd be seen as heathens or the spawn of devils not as a new learning experience... unless one day we as a people fully mature.

Originally posted by lancethebrave
sorry to quote so early on from this?

There is always an amendment to faith some may lose faith but just like with the heaven idea, at first it was just the sky, the clouds held the angels, then we invented airplanes and it was moved to the stars and outer space, then we traveled to space and it became another dimension, something beyond space, the point is that no matter what until we can fully disprove there is a greater being anywhere in any dimension universe anywhere then we cannot remove all religion... discovery of aliens as well will not change much they'd be seen as heathens or the spawn of devils not as a new learning experience... unless one day we as a people fully mature.

but the question is will humans mature . christopher columbus once said what would happen if i fall off the earth were would i land .

Or will humans forget? Maybe one day no one will remember any such ideas such as Christianity, and BAM! That's when the aliens will arrive, which may be happening over and over, and we are actually the latest aliens to have arrived.

It's arrogant to believe aliens don't exist.

Originally posted by 0°Mandalore°0
It's arrogant to believe aliens don't exist.

😉

it's ignorant to believe they do

Why?

There are billions of systems out there. Why, I ask, do you believe we are, out of hundreds of millions, the one and only planet with life in it? To me, it doesn't make sense NOT believing. The odds are incredible.

Never tell me the odds!

Originally posted by 0°Mandalore°0
Why?

There are billions of systems out there. Why, I ask, do you believe we are, out of hundreds of millions, the one and [B]only planet with life in it? To me, it doesn't make sense NOT believing. The odds are incredible. [/B]

Wise young man. I did a thesis on that very exact point. It was from current mathematical data we had on our own galaxy. It was more or less a metaanalysis of current data. I could do it again...but it would take a long time. Basically, the results showed that there are at least 2000+ planets in our galaxy alone that would be similar to Earth. (Distance from their star/s, size, density, and age.)

They have discovered many more planets since then and they had to expand their estimates of how many planets there are in our solar system...so that number may be too small.

As TH pointed out, that doesn't mean that we should be looking for carbon based life forms. There other forms of sentience that could exist in our universe.

In this galaxy alone, it is an extremely high probability that there is other life out there...on the magnitude of 2000 to 1 by my last estimates.

Here is a scary thought:

If another species out there similar to our own was even a thousand years ahead of us technologically, they would be freaky deaky in comparison to us.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wise young man. I did a thesis on that very exact point. It was from current mathematical data we had on our own galaxy. It was more or less a metaanalysis of current data. I could do it again...but it would take a long time. Basically, the results showed that there are at least 2000+ planets in our galaxy alone that would be similar to Earth. (Distance from their star/s, size, density, and age.)

As TH pointed out, that doesn't mean that we should be looking for carbon based life forms. There other forms of sentience that could exist in our universe.

Here is a scary thought:

If another species out there similar to our own was even a thousand years ahead of us technologically, they would be freaky deaky in comparison to us.

Exactly my thoughts. For example, a person says: 'It's impossible for anyone to live in Neptune, they would freeze! There's no oxygen!' But what that person ignores, is that in Neptune, certain kind of living being could exist, but don't need oxygen, light, nor water to live. They might need other life-giving resources, maybe unknown to us.

And yes, it's a scary thought, indeed.

dadudemon - I fail to see how different your equation would be from the Drake equation, especially in a way that makes it less subject to the Fermi paradox...

Mandalore - I've already gone over the stats twice in this thread. If you want, we can get into it. Synopsis: We don't know the probability of life. Very well, there may be billions of systems, but what if the odds of life occurring are one in one trillion? You are also ignoring our temporal isolation. Possibly other alien species have existed or will after humans are gone, there is no specific reason why the period of time we live in must also produce other life forms.