Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIt is true in the factor that ppl's heads are in the clouds thinking at least there is alway some extraneous force to save the day. I think some ppl along this line believe in them..
From what I can remember it does not factor in that aliens could already be among us.
The Drake's equation is stupid anyone can make it up or make your own.Aliens could exist on any planet they could be on mars .think how big mars is and lets say aliens did life on mars there could be something like 12.000 aliens living there .but for us humans to find them is like finding a needle in a hay stack.just look at all these planets some are 25 times bigger than earth and we humans would have to land and search on them planets to find them wich again would be impossible for humans to do. maybe the creator as given the other spices or aliens the same problem as we got traveling at light speeds and searching landing on every planet in the universe.even if they are smarter than us they can still have the same problem. because they could be living so far away in universe there techololgy and the way there body is made caint reach us . lol who knows
Originally posted by High PriestI saw on a show that life started on Mars or some other planet, probably in this galaxy. There was a video of what the beginning of life looked like to them, a single rice-shaped cell dividing into many rice-shaped cells. They might have been glowing green. The show claimed that they came to Earth on a comet bc they smelled the life-preferable conditions. I believe that they had so much energy if they could smell they therefore flew here.
The Drake's equation is stupid anyone can make it up or make your own.Aliens could exist on any planet they could be on mars .think how big mars is and lets say aliens did life on mars there could be something like 12.000 aliens living there .but for us humans to find them is like finding a needle in a hay stack.just look at all these planets some are 25 times bigger than earth and we humans would have to land and search on them planets to find them wich again would be impossible for humans to do. maybe the creator as given the other spices or aliens the same problem as we got traveling at light speeds and searching landing on every planet in the universe.even if they are smarter than us they can still have the same problem. because they could be living so far away in universe there techololgy and the way there body is made caint reach us . lol who knows
Originally posted by VioletEyesPop08
It is true in the factor that ppl's heads are in the clouds thinking at least there is alway some extraneous force to save the day. I think some ppl along this line believe in them..
Well im not sure if ants or insects are really aware of us. Dogs are able to percieve frequencies of sound that we are not aware of. Scientists believe in other dimensions (but I dont know what the proof is). Anyway you get what im saying.
We don't need aliens to prove all religion wrong.
The answers have always been there.
You just have to look...
Originally posted by Milkie
We don't need aliens to prove all religion wrong.The answers have always been there.
You just have to look...
Aliens doesnt prove religon wrong anyway. 😬
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
From what I can remember it does not factor in that aliens could already be among us.
Drake's equation talks about the probability of life existing at the same time as us, it says nothing of the location, meaning, your point is moot.
Originally posted by High Priest
The Drake's equation is stupid anyone can make it up or make your own.Aliens could exist on any planet they could be on mars .think how big mars is and lets say aliens did life on mars there could be something like 12.000 aliens living there .but for us humans to find them is like finding a needle in a hay stack.just look at all these planets some are 25 times bigger than earth and we humans would have to land and search on them planets to find them wich again would be impossible for humans to do. maybe the creator as given the other spices or aliens the same problem as we got traveling at light speeds and searching landing on every planet in the universe.even if they are smarter than us they can still have the same problem. because they could be living so far away in universe there techololgy and the way there body is made caint reach us . lol who knows
and dragons could be hiding on the highest peaks of earth.
Originally posted by VioletEyesPop08
I saw on a show that life started on Mars or some other planet, probably in this galaxy. There was a video of what the beginning of life looked like to them, a single rice-shaped cell dividing into many rice-shaped cells. They might have been glowing green. The show claimed that they came to Earth on a comet bc they smelled the life-preferable conditions. I believe that they had so much energy if they could smell they therefore flew here.
The theory is called pan-spermia, it has no evidence to support it.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well im not sure if ants or insects are really aware of us. Dogs are able to percieve frequencies of sound that we are not aware of. Scientists believe in other dimensions (but I dont know what the proof is). Anyway you get what im saying.
dimensions that scientists believe in are not places where other being of energy could exist. Science really isn't the way they show it on saturday morning cartoons. Trans-dimensional aliens are probably the realm of science fiction
Originally posted by inimalist
Drake's equation talks about the probability of life existing at the same time as us, it says nothing of the location, meaning, your point is moot.
Sorry I dont see how. From what I can see the equation assumes the aliens are much like us, for example they live on planets etc. One example im thinking of are aliens that view human beings like bacteria.
Originally posted by inimalist
dimensions that scientists believe in are not places where other being of energy could exist. Science really isn't the way they show it on saturday morning cartoons. Trans-dimensional aliens are probably the realm of science fiction
Why?
P.S. Do you believe this equation to be accurate?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Sorry I dont see how. From what I can see the equation assumes the aliens are much like us, for example they live on planets etc. One example im thinking of are aliens that view human beings like bacteria.
ok, but these are two different variables. Aliens being among us is a question of location and not of "probability of existing".
So yes, it is moot to question "where" said aliens might be, but yes, as has been pointed out over the past 15 pages, there may be diffenent needs for life that aren't for humans.
The Drake equation doesn't actually mandate that planets are used, those variables could be removed. Again though, as I just (on the last page even) said, removing those constraints does not make it more likely or probable that aliens exist. It makes it harder for us to describe what an alien might be.
And, as a personal note, the aliens you are describing are basically playing the "god of the gaps" game
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Why?
dimensions aren't physical places, there isn't like a "dimension X" out there.
You may be confusing dimensions with the many worlds hypothesis for quantum physics, which if you are, I would direct you to my feelings on pan-spermia.
And by definition, if an alien is in another dimension, they are not among us
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
P.S. Do you believe this equation to be accurate?
the drake equation? You may want to go back to see what I was saying about it, I actually only brought it up to counter it with the Fermi paradox...
There is too much uncertainty at this point to make any real guesses at the accuracy of the Drake equation. Here, give a listen to these:
http://www.astronomycast.com/astronomy/episode-23-the-drake-equation/
http://www.astronomycast.com/astronomy/episode-24the-fermi-paradox-where-are-all-the-aliens/
Originally posted by inimalist
ok, but these are two different variables. Aliens being among us is a question of location and not of "probability of existing".So yes, it is moot to question "where" said aliens might be, but yes, as has been pointed out over the past 15 pages, there may be diffenent needs for life that aren't for humans.
The Drake equation doesn't actually mandate that planets are used, those variables could be removed. Again though, as I just (on the last page even) said, removing those constraints does not make it more likely or probable that aliens exist. It makes it harder for us to describe what an alien might be.
And, as a personal note, the aliens you are describing are basically playing the "god of the gaps" game
dimensions aren't physical places, there isn't like a "dimension X" out there.
You may be confusing dimensions with the many worlds hypothesis for quantum physics, which if you are, I would direct you to my feelings on pan-spermia.
And by definition, if an alien is in another dimension, they are not among us
the drake equation? You may want to go back to see what I was saying about it, I actually only brought it up to counter it with the Fermi paradox...
There is too much uncertainty at this point to make any real guesses at the accuracy of the Drake equation. Here, give a listen to these:
http://www.astronomycast.com/astronomy/episode-23-the-drake-equation/
http://www.astronomycast.com/astronomy/episode-24the-fermi-paradox-where-are-all-the-aliens/
Read you previous posts (well on the previous page). Think im going to have to agree with everything you said. From what I undertsood was that you said that Femi and Drakes is speculation at best, we dont know the variables that could create "life" but due to the variables that there could be you are pessimistic about finding "life".
Originally posted by 0°Mandalore°0
Okay, they are not among us, but they could exist, even if it's in another dimension, it doesn't matter. That's what people are pointing out.
dimension is not the term you are looking for
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension
Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
Of course there is life on other planets. We shouldn't be so vain as to believe we're the only life in the universe.
It is actually more vain to believe that other planets must produce things that are like "us", because that is just what happens, as if we are some necessary end position.
The same can be said about the temporal dimension, it is vain to assume that the time we live in is so important that other life must also live in it.
(I have like always been very academic myself.)
Panspermia sounds strange - the idea that little spots of life exist all over as opposed exogenesis which simply states the focus that life came from some (unknown) place outside of Earth, though the two terms are also considered the same thing, panpermia being most popular.
It is interesting to note what other things happen @ Earth's climate other than life. Perhaps this little blue ball has a hidden message attached. That's almost alien enough, the very idea.
People probably think that things like great events or climate changes would actually end up signalling outside ears. I mean, really, what is a symphony, anyway? A call for a better world..
It seems there is a need for something outside of what is in the earth, but it seems that thing would not be able to like see us.
It must be a very stressful field.
If people believe in exogenesis or panspermia, they should be able to believe that a storm on earth means more than one in Jupiter because of all the water. Someone more is bound to panspermiate or exogenesis.
Yea, a bug is a bug. Looks mean something. As long as people are about, animals are not free to turn into a different people. They are all far from it. Finding some other creature like us, like if there were those different kinds of people that could not reproduce is another thing. They must have hid off in some tribe and just don't have sex in that case-
They could have formed like us somewhere else, but why? What is life?
Panspermia certainly is an interesting claim. It is very symbolic. I think people ought to look into these things more. They come up with a lot of stuff in philosophy, too, questioning being itself all the time in metaphysics.. It could really getya out there.
Why would an alien want to look how we picture? Just try to picture something sexy, not stupid. I guess they would have been sexy, but kids today look like aliens.
It's not that hard-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophasia
why not make 1 really clear point please...
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Read you previous posts (well on the previous page). Think im going to have to agree with everything you said. From what I undertsood was that you said that Femi and Drakes is speculation at best, we dont know the variables that could create "life" but due to the variables that there could be you are pessimistic about finding "life".
I hope this was what you were trying to say ini............
Originally posted by inimalist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophasiawhy not make 1 really clear point please...
Wow! What a relief. I thought it was just me. 😱 😆
Originally posted by inimalistWhat does this have to do with the topic?? Why don't you explain? If you mean me, that would be severe member bashing. Blame my schools for not giving me any references, not me. I don't think we should sit here and revise our posts for a week.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophasiawhy not make 1 really clear point please...