Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
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Let's not forget that Ali (not in his prime here) withstood many a leg-kick from a martial-artist(with a fight record) much heavier than Lee.
A good point.
Resiliance as one would expect from a man who endured this sort of damage (and even more severe when Foreman was wound up early in the fight) and went on to to take the guy out:
(And unlike in Lee's case we can actually see Foreman putting the pain on both bag and opponent many times over.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
You mean a rehash of the pwned arguments that were delivered MMA-style to the Pro-Ali fanboys, right?193 votes for Lee over 155 pages: Ali still loses.
Considering the Pro-Lee-boys have yet to post a relevant fact that would pertain Bruce Lee's fighting capabilities/chances against one the the best heavyweights, no, what I said.
LoL, an internet poll that shows there's many a Bruce Lee fanboy who buys into the myth. This is news how?
Enjoy your continued "pwnings."
Originally posted by Stoic
Wing Chun hasn't fared well in combat that limits its more deadly moves as being illegal. these matches in essence are not true no holds barred matches, because if they were George Saint Pierre, would probably have lost to BJ Penn who is a better fighter, just limited to the rules of MMA competition. These blocks that I explained earlier are proven to work, and it's not used to break an arm, but more to pop the capsule in the elbow. The only scene that I can remember on film similar to this is the fight during Pitch Black, where Vin Diesel has his arm dislocated, by having the capsule in his elbow popped. This is fantasy fiction, but the move that was used on him was pretty much on point, as were it's effect.This has nothing to do with overpowering the opponent, but using the opponents energy to create the opening in order to execute this move. Like I said, throw a fully extended jab, and notice the pressure placed on you elbow. The amount of force that it takes to displace the elbow is no more than you would use in a simple high five. This is the best that i can explain outside of being with you, and showing you what I mean in person. Ali really had no knowledge of this type of combat.
Bruce Lee has one thing going against him in this debate, and that is that he has no recorded fights. this does not mean that he was not a deadly fighter. Chuck Norris, Jackie Chan, or any of the others that saw Lee would have never said the things about him if he were a hoax. Lee would not have been the competent teacher that he was if he was a hoax. Karrem Abdul Jabbar would have never gave him the props that he did if he were a hoax, or use his training methods to improve his strength as a pro ball player. Do you think that there may be people out there that do not compete in the MMA that could beat the so called best MMA fighters hands down?
Even with the rules, you claim wing chunners can break limbs by blocking, which is still legal. Do you realize how much that would revolutionize modern combat? They wouldn't care about the loss of the other techniques. They'd be the ultimate fighters with that alone, yet not one has done anything of note.
If you narrow down all the problems inherent in having no recorded fights, then yes, it's just "one" thing against Lee. Unfortunately, that is the most important thing when discussing a fight between two fighters.
I'm not saying Wing Chun could never work, but there is little to no evidence backing these techniques you describe.
Originally posted by Robtard
But in the end, hitting a body-bag, doing some very impressive athletic feats and having a legend grow around you doesn't equate to being a good fighter.You know what does? A fight-record.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You know what's really interesting about this fight? Both of their names in with the sound "lee".
Originally posted by dadudemon
You mean a rehash of the pwned arguments that were delivered MMA-style to the Pro-Ali fanboys, right?193 votes for Lee over 155 pages: Ali still loses.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Pretty much. I don't see why it's so hard to believe for some people.Before the criticisms arrive, I'd like to point out that grappling with boxing gloves on is extremely difficult. Ali isn't a world class wrestler but his strength, size, and limited knowledge would be enough to deal what we've seen from Lee.
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The sad truth is, the vast majority of the general public would vote for Lee. 🙁
I've talked with people who think a Katana would slice through a European knight's shield and armor like butter.
Originally posted by Robtard
Considering the Pro-Lee-boys have yet to post a relevant fact that would pertain Bruce Lee's fighting capabilities/chances against one the the best heavyweights, no, what I said.LoL, an internet poll that shows there's many a Bruce Lee fanboy who buys into the myth. This is news how?
Enjoy your continued "pwnings."
Considering that the Pro-Ali-Boys have yet to legitimately counter the various arguments concerning Lee's abilities and fighting prowess, no what I said.
Lol, and internet thread that shows there are many pages arguing about this some how proves Ali would win, right? That wins the argument, how?
Enjoy your supposed "pwnings".
Originally posted by dadudemon
Considering that the Pro-Ali-Boys have yet to legitimately counter the various arguments concerning Lee's abilities and fighting prowess, no what I said.Lol, and internet thread that shows there are many pages arguing about this some how proves Ali would win, right? That wins the argument, how?
Enjoy your supposed "pwnings".
Correction: Lee's alleged fighting prowess.
No, Ali's verified fight record, height and weight advantage means he'd win this hypothetical fight.
No, the Pro-Lee-Boys did and continue to get "pwned", cos they argue based on legends and "this guys said" type of arguments, while Ali has a proven record.
You just got phantom-pwned, again.
Originally posted by Robtard
Correction: Lee's alleged fighting prowess.
Correction: Lee's fighting prowess.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, Ali's verified fight record, height and weight advantage means he'd win this hypothetical fight.
No, Ali didn't do much against Inoki.
http://www.mmbolding.com/Heavyweights/Boxer_vs._Wrestler_Ali.htm
Lee has a verified win by submission hold against another Chinese dojo master so we know Lee would and could use a ground game.
Ali would seem to be quite out of his element against mixed martial arts especially if you consider that Inoki was gimped for the fight. This is what people have been saying for pages and what the Ali people still refuse to believe.
Think of it this way: put my strength into a 135lb body (I weigh more than Ali did for his matches), add unparalleled speed, then add in the foundations of modern MMA with a proven martial arts style, and you get Lee. That's just ridiculous. An absurd match-up for a boxer that proved he doesn't do very well against unorthodox fighting styles.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, the Pro-Lee-Boys did and continue to get "pwned", cos they argue based on legends and "this guys said" type of arguments, while Ali has a proven record.You just got phantom-pwned, again.
No, the Pro-Ali-Boys did and continue to get "pwned" as they clearly show their martial art ignorance based on their supposed "legend" of a boxer.
You continue to self-pwn.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Because according to the common perception anything Asian >> anything non-Asian when it comes to fighting.I've talked with people who think a Katana would slice through a European knight's shield and armor like butter.
Yeah. People envision knights as clumsy strongmen and Samurai as anime characters with adamantium blades for some reason.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Lee has a verified win by submission hold against another Chinese dojo master so we know Lee would and could use a ground game.Ali would seem to be quite out of his element against mixed martial arts especially if you consider that Inoki was gimped for the fight. This is what people have been saying for pages and what the Ali people still refuse to believe.
Noone denies he'd be disadvantaged against a proven MMAtist. We're pointing out that Bruce isn't a proven MMAtist.
Originally posted by StyleTime
You're probably stronger than Lee honestly. I haven't been able to verify most of Lee's strength feats myself. Did you?
I am not...at least in upper-body strength. I cannot take 70 lbs and hold it straight out in front of me like Lee could. That's a very strong upper body strength feat. In fact, that's just stupid strong for someone that weighs 135-145 lbs. To be honest, it hurts quite a bit to do the same feat with just 60lbs...much less even attempting 70. 🙁
I would give upper body strength to Lee in this . I did a attribute by attribute analysis of Lee vs. Ali many pages back and it came into favor of Lee by a comfortable margin.
Street fighting experience: Lee
Strength: Lee (because Ali will not be using his lower body strength)
Speed: Lee by leaps and bounds.
Endurance: Lee
Heart: Ali by leaps and bounds.
Experience against high caliber fighters: Ali
Diversity in Skills: Lee by leaps and bounds
Reach: I would be Lee's kicks on par with the speed of Ali's punches so I will give this to Lee but only be a small margin.
Size: Ali
Durability: Ali by leaps and bounds.
Overall, it favors Lee. If Lee was very weak but still had his speed, I would give it to Ali. But Lee has strength behind his stupid fast speed. Lee also has many other things going for him that make an street fight or an MMA fight in Lee's favor.
These are all things I covered already.