Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I am not...at least in upper-body strength. I cannot take 70 lbs and hold it straight out in front of me like Lee could. That's a very strong upper body strength feat. In fact, that's just stupid strong for someone that weighs 135-145 lbs. To be honest, it hurts quite a bit to do the same feat with just 60lbs...much less even attempting 70. 🙁

Overall, it favors Lee. If Lee was very weak but still had his speed, I would give it to Ali. But Lee has strength behind his stupid fast speed. Lee also has many other things going for him that make an street fight or an MMA fight in Lee's favor.

Based on actual evidence, Lee really was an athletic dude who had some decent fighting theories.

Originally posted by Stoic
👆 Pure wisdom.

Bruce used to use a 50 pound weight built on a crude invention of his to practice his inch punch, and do this for very long periods of time. I'm not sure that I would give Ali the durability over Lee to be honest. Lee, used to do so many push ups that he had to figure out a way to save time while doing other activities, so he strapped on electric pads to stimulate his pectoral muscles. Lee's endurance was absolutely incredible for a human being. People forget how hard it is to maintain a horse stance, if they even know what one is. I challenge anyone to go into a horse stance, and maintain it for 10 minutes. Lee could remain in this stance for over an hour at a time, and still throw punches.

Compared to Lee's level of athleticism, Ali was an out of shape old man. Your post was dead on the money.

Since you want to go that route, Ali claimed to fight whales and handcuff lightning. He'd murder Lee.

Originally posted by Robtard
some Asian guy(what what his fight-record?) he took out

But it was seen in a movie.

Originally posted by StyleTime

You operate on the assumption that all of his unproven abilities are true though. You guys are essentially going "this sounds cool, so Lee could definitely do it."

Since you want to go that route, Ali claimed to fight whales and handcuff lightning. He'd murder Lee.

Yeah he was so fast that one time in his hotel room he turned his light off and was in bed before the room was dark.

And there was the time he beat Superman.
Sure its not filmed, but DC's illustrators were able to draw what happened.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, we've been over this before. None of those strength feats are actually verified and neither are his practical skills. We both know how ridiculous holding 70 lbs (125 lbs by some accounts) dumbells out in front of your body is. That is something someone has to prove before we accept it.

This is my favorite part.

It's the part where you deny what took place. Separating myth from fact can be difficult, I agree.

If you go back through what I have stated, you'll find no such references to "unproven" feats. I never brought up the rice grain "feat". Nor the coin "feat". Well, there's a list 3 miles long of silly things Lee never did.

Edit - But since you want to go that route, Lee claimed to be able to beat anyone in the world. So Lee wins by your logic.

"I am the astronaut of boxing. Joe Louis and Dempsey were just jet pilots. I'm in a world of my own." - Muhammad Ali

Originally posted by dadudemon
But since you want to go that route, Lee claimed to be able to beat anyone in the world. So Lee wins by your logic.

Originally posted by Robtard
"I am the astronaut of boxing. Joe Louis and Dempsey were just jet pilots. I'm in a world of my own." - Muhammad Ali

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, SirWS, I just showed you that Wing Chun, no matter the form, does have belted forms. It was the first link in a google search. We Americans like to...get this...Americanize lots of shit. We are fat and boss like that. 😄

And those Wing Chun trainees would redirect the hook like it was nothing. 🙂 Like water...weeeeeee!

Yeah, but I could open a wing chun school and award double black belts with sprinkles on top, don't think that makes the people I award them to capable fighters though.

The wing chun Bruce Lee learned definitely did not have a belt grade system

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Lenny McLean showing us how its done...

Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, we've been over this before. None of those strength feats are actually verified and neither are his practical skills. We both know how ridiculous holding 70 lbs (125 lbs by some accounts) dumbells out in front of your body is. That is something someone has to prove before we accept it.

Based on actual evidence, Lee really was an athletic dude who had some decent fighting theories.

You operate on the assumption that all of his unproven abilities are true though. You guys are essentially going "this sounds cool, so Lee could definitely do it."

Since you want to go that route, Ali claimed to fight whales and handcuff lightning. He'd murder Lee.

If it's Wong Jackman, even that has never been verified.

I respect your argument and see where you're coming from, and in a debate, you win a flawless victory based off of the premise, that incredible tales indeed require incredible proof when debating things of this nature. I however have seen all of the proof that's needed to believe that Bruce Lee was a great fighter, and attained great physical conditioning. I suspect that other people who believe that Lee could beat Ali feel the same way. However, no proof = no fries even with footage, that could not be spiked too much due to the limited technology in special effects of that era, and with our technology in video effects, we would have been able to spot video doctoring years ago.

Also I would like to add that it would probably be easier to prove the ancient riddles of this world before anyone could prove that Ali could beat Lee, or vice versa. After all, Bruce is dead, and Ali is a disabled older gentlemen.

But the subject is "at their primes".

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but I could open a wing chun school and award double black belts with sprinkles on top, don't think that makes the people I award them to capable fighters though.

The wing chun Bruce Lee learned definitely did not have a belt grade system

That particular school I used can trace associations back to Bruce Lee (through their sensei It was something like "My sensei trained with this guy...and this guy was one of the only 4 people to be certified in Jeet Kun Do by Bruce Lee). I didn't chose the black belt school, willy nilly.

Originally posted by Robtard
"I am the astronaut of boxing. Joe Louis and Dempsey were just jet pilots. I'm in a world of my own." - Muhammad Ali

Good think this is MMA where Ali showed he wasn't very effective, at all, right?

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Good think this is MMA where Ali showed he wasn't very effective, at all, right?

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Good thing Bruce Lee hasn't shown any real-world MMA (or otherwise) fighting skills against an actual opponent with a proven record.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
This is my favorite part.

It's the part where you deny what took place. Separating myth from fact can be difficult, I agree.

If you go back through what I have stated, you'll find no such references to "unproven" feats. I never brought up the rice grain "feat". Nor the coin "feat". Well, there's a list 3 miles long of silly things Lee never did.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - But since you want to go that route, Lee claimed to be able to beat anyone in the world. So Lee wins by your logic.

Originally posted by Robtard
"I am the astronaut of boxing. Joe Louis and Dempsey were just jet pilots. I'm in a world of my own." - Muhammad Ali

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but I could open a wing chun school and award double black belts with sprinkles on top, don't think that makes the people I award them to capable fighters though.

The wing chun Bruce Lee learned definitely did not have a belt grade system

Originally posted by Stoic
I respect your argument and see where you're coming from, and in a debate, you win a flawless victory based off of the premise, that incredible tales indeed require incredible proof when debating things of this nature. I however have seen all of the proof that's needed to believe that Bruce Lee was a great fighter, and attained great physical conditioning. I suspect that other people who believe that Lee could beat Ali feel the same way. However, no proof = no fries even with footage, that could not be spiked too much due to the limited technology in special effects of that era, and with our technology in video effects, we would have been able to spot video doctoring years ago.

Also I would like to add that it would probably be easier to prove the ancient riddles of this world before anyone could prove that Ali could beat Lee, or vice versa. After all, Bruce is dead, and Ali is a disabled older gentlemen.

.....sooooooo we're cool. 😛

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Imagine if it were Ali.... lol

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
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Imagine if it were Ali.... lol

I am Wang! Fedor beat that big guy Hung Man Choi (I think) after he dropped Fedor on his head. That said Fedor in his prime would destroy Lee. Now Fedor (s. Ali would be a great fight as no top boxer has ever entered an MMA Octagon and look how well the likes of Anderson Silva do with boxing or Lee Murray did with boxing against old big evil in a street fight. The little guy in the vids Muay Thai would destroy Wing Chun and Lee. Full contact fighters will win every time against people who fight wooden dummies.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

Imagine if it were Ali.... lol

The hell they feed that blue-haired freak!?

Originally posted by Wang Troll
I am Wang! Fedor beat that big guy Hung Man Choi (I think) after he dropped Fedor on his head. That said Fedor in his prime would destroy Lee. Now Fedor (s. Ali would be a great fight as no top boxer has ever entered an MMA Octagon and look how well the likes of Anderson Silva do with boxing or Lee Murray did with boxing against old big evil in a street fight. The little guy in the vids Muay Thai would destroy Wing Chun and Lee. Full contact fighters will win every time against people who fight wooden dummies.

Well said Wang Troll!!!

Originally posted by Robtard
The hell they feed that blue-haired freak!?

Smurfs, judging by that hair.

Smurfs and satanic fury.

For that is what he unleashed (very slowly unlike Ali) one cement sack punch at a time(unlike Ali) upon that more vertically challenged "opponent" of his..