Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee?

Started by Droopy163 pages
Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
No. You need to do research. Lee was a show off. Every time someone asked to fight him he always refused. So much for kung fu master. Most people just assume he is a good fighter from his movies. Movies are one of the most unreliable sources ever

I am not using movies I studied his life he was a fighter I read that someone saw him at a tournament and that his oppenett was larger and appeared stronger but he didnt hit Bruce Lee once as Bruce finished his opponet of and left the crowd in stun because of his marvelous speed not a movie real life punk show of Ali is a show off to so whats your point punk

Originally posted by Droopy
I am not using movies I studied his life he was a fighter I read that someone saw him at a tournament and that his oppenett was larger and appeared stronger but he didnt hit Bruce Lee once as Bruce finished his opponet of and left the crowd in stun because of his marvelous speed not a movie real life punk show of Ali is a show off to so whats your point punk

😂 I'm 99.9% sure that's incorrect. So tell me, if Bruce Lee is as good as you say. How come he never won/dominated any fighting tournaments? Ali won 53 fights in his career. Ali rises up to the ranks of Frazier, Sugar Ray, Lewis and more. Lee couldn't beat Lewis even if Lewis was blind folded with one hand behind his back

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
😂 I'm 99.9% sure that's incorrect. So tell me, if Bruce Lee is as good as you say. How come he never won/dominated any fighting tournaments? Ali won 53 fights in his career. Ali rises up to the ranks of Frazier, Sugar Ray, Lewis and more. Lee couldn't beat Lewis even if Lewis was blind folded with one hand behind his back

Well then why would a guy weho didnt do that much be held in such high regard by other martial artists Bruce Lee changed the way people believed in fighting I got a book that is pretty old that tells about Bruce Lee's theories on fighting and in that book that story I said is mentioned If Bruce Lee wasnt that good he wouldnt be that much of a icon in fighting Bruce Lee changed the way people use martial arts so 100% sure you are wrong

Originally posted by Droopy
Well then why would a guy weho didnt do that much be held in such high regard by other martial artists Bruce Lee changed the way people believed in fighting I got a book that is pretty old that tells about Bruce Lee's theories on fighting and in that book that story I said is mentioned If Bruce Lee wasnt that good he wouldnt be that much of a icon in fighting Bruce Lee changed the way people use martial arts so 100% sure you are wrong

I didn't understand what you just wrote but some thing is telling me that there is a fan boy in the forums

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
I didn't understand what you just wrote but some thing is telling me that there is a fan boy in the forums

Not a fanboy and your the dummy that said the UFC fighters dont even use martial arts when it is a mixed martial arts tournament is it wierd that the best fighters are mixed martial artists like what Bruce Lee did years ago mixing different martial arts to become a great fighter. By the way Mike tyson was challanged to fight in the octagon with Gracie but he said no because he would get beat in real fight 90% of fights end up on the ground in boxing all you can do is punch UFC is much closer to real fights Bruce Lee could kick the crap ou of Ali

No one said you were a fanboy and Mike Tyson could beat Lee 😂

As I said before, Lee never participated in any fights because he knew he was going to lose

Originally posted by Matrix_man

ur being unrealistic..lee wasnt just another chump boxer who would serve as a punching bag for ali. lee was trained in how to take a hit..his movements were as fluid as water, so you cant be sure that a single punch could KO him, as he wasnt opposing the force of the punch, but harmonising with it, decreasing its force.

also, lee didnt just "throw" bodyshots like another boxer. lee never started a fight with a technique in mind. his technique was the result of his opponents technique. every fighter gives opportunities for his opponent to hit him at some point..lee was a master at reading the opportunities and taking them. theres no doubt he could hit ali

finally, bruce lee always said that one of the more important features of his style was that it lacked any sort of rhythm...thus ali would have been stumped, cos he fought all his carrer against boxers who had rhythm in their footwork, their blocking, their punches etc. he wouldnt know what to expect from lee, becase each fight of his is different from any other. lee said that as a master of Jeet Kune-Do, his ideal opponent would be a rhythmic fighter who was wholly aggresive and went all out (just like ali)...because such a fighter is the easiest for him to read and defeat.

I was being a realist .
Right. The first paragraph..... That is all included in Boxing.
And how many titles did Lee have as Boxer then...? Who of any calibre did he fight.... How many of them were as big, sharp and fast as Ali...?

"Throw" is just a figure of speech.
Again..These are no special attributes you describe. These are all basic boxing skills. And even if he could land one on Ali, Ali'd be moving and "Harmonizing" with the punches too and Lee'd be getting whupped on the counterpunches-Punches that his physical size is NOT equipped to take. Scientific fact.

Finally... And boxers DON'T use broken rhythm...??!? Well, maybe the ones who suck canvas regularly for being too predictable don't.... But every other boxer in the world knows not to make such an elementry mistake..
Reflexes are what enable you to anticipate even the most randomly timed shots....
Even if Lee could be boxing as well as Ali, Lee is SO much smaller and less reachy/powerful/weighty/equipped with abilty to take punches from an opponent so much bigger and faster.....and would get eating his own ass off of a plate with some sweet pickle salad later that evening.

Please folks. this is a no brainer. ALI was an awesome boxer, but Lee could kick a freaking 300 pound bag 20 feet in the air. Ali could never get close enough to Lee to use his boxing strength.

🙁 Sad how today's youth don't know the truth

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
🙁 Sad how today's youth don't know the truth

It certainly is, sadly 🙂

Originally posted by DreamingWarrior
Please folks. this is a no brainer. ALI was an awesome boxer, but Lee could kick a freaking 300 pound bag 20 feet in the air. Ali could never get close enough to Lee to use his boxing strength.

Bags dont hit back... And yes Ali could...! As his arm reach was pretty much the same as Lees leg length...
Besides WHEN and WHERE did a 300 pound bag get kicked 20ft in the air..can you provide proof for us?

Incidentally, look at what Joe Frazier and George Forman did to bags...
and Ali beat THEM...

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
🙁 Sad how today's youth don't know the truth

Which is symptomatic of a society which pussies around with guns and blades and such.... Lost touch with the real physics of asswhupping. lol

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Bags dont hit back... And yes Ali could...! As his arm reach was pretty much the same as Lees leg length...
Besides WHEN and WHERE did a 300 pound bag get kicked 20ft in the air..can you provide proof for us?

Incidentally, look at what Joe Frazier and George Forman did to bags...
and Ali beat THEM...

Hey I just checked the polls look like alot of people favor Bruce Lee in this fight 😄

*sigh*

Originally posted by Droopy
Hey I just checked the polls look like alot of people favor Bruce Lee in this fight 😄

🙄 uninformed children sadly

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Which is symptomatic of a society which pussies around with guns and blades and such.... Lost touch with the real physics of asswhupping. lol

😂

reposted for ignorant youths

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
🙄 based on ?

I'll explain again

Of course a very small man would beat the champion of the world. Martial arts punching has no power, it can break boards but its actual force is limited. Lees kicking reach is probably less than Ali's reach and Ali has 40 odd pounds on him at least.

Problems with martial arts strikes. Most people think because boxers don't break boards that they do not hit as hard.

A martial artist will tell you that 4 elements are involved

1) Equilibrium (Balance)

2) Breath Control

3) Reaction Force

4) Concentration

To translate that in to the real world we need Science

Physics 101 coming up

Force = Mass x Velocity2

In other words, force is accumulated in the form of speed, and at the end of the movement, speed is converted into striking force.

But were does the fourth element (concentration) come into play?

The concentration aspect of power, is not one of mind, but of area. As we concentrate that force into a smaller area, the power is increases proportionately. It is like putting a small nozzle on a garden hose... the stream of water exiting the hole is much more powerful than if we just let the water flow without. OR if you look at it from the other direction... a 200lb man standing on thin ice wearing skis... He does not fall through the ice because his weight is dispersed over a large area..

And finally the element called "Reaction Force"

Reaction Force is a very important factor in two ways... In the first way Velocity is affected. i.e. If a car traveling 50mph crashes head on into another car traveling 50 mph, the combined velocity is 100mph. Same is true with a punch or kick... If your opponent is moving in on you when you through your punch, the speed of the punch increased due to the advancement of your aggressor. This is good to know, but reaction force plays an even greater role in our power.

Newton's Law states, "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". In the martial arts, we are constantly retracting one hand to our belt as we send the other one out in a punch. The resulting reaction-force is passed on through the body and arm to the striking hand. In an even more complex fashion, when the hand actually strikes the target, the shock of the blow is passed through the body to the legs to the floor and then is reversed back to the punching hand, adding further force to the blow.

So often in the arts you hear, that size doesn't matter. We demonstrate this with a little person throwing a big person to the ground. But does size matter in breaking? It is my opinion that YES it does, but it can be overcome with the increased speed that smaller people often poses.

The faster you punch, the smaller the area you make contact with, and how fast you pull that hand back after the strike, are bigger factors in the break than size or "Mass".

So Why don't Boxers break Boards? In Mr Lees own immortal words
"Boards do not fight back"

Of course, the best boxers can punch as quickly and powerfully as any black belt. Why can't they break concrete blocks too? The answer lies in the nature of their punches. When a boxer throws his fist, he usually ends the movement with follow-through. This gives the punch maximum momentum (golf and tennis players follow through for the same reason), and it can help knock an opponent down. But the impact itself is diffuse: It's meant to jar an opponent's brain, not break a board.

So why are martial arts strikes crap?

Solid as they seem, all materials are at least slightly elastic. Whack them in the right spot and they will start to oscillate. A punch with a follow-through would dampen such oscillations, but a karate chop, by pulling away at the last moment, lets them move freely. If you tweak a rubber band it goes up and down, and the same is true if you tweak a board or a brick with a much greater force. When they reach their elastic limits, they start to yield. In other words, they break.

Fortunately for most of us, reaching that limit in bones is no easy matter. Bone can withstand 40 times more force than concrete, and a cylinder of bone less than an inch in diameter and 21Ú3 inches long can withstand a force of more than 25,000 newtons. Hands and feet can withstand even more than that, because their skin, muscles, ligaments, tendons, and cartilage absorb a great deal of impact. As a result, a well-kicked foot can absorb about 2,000 times as much force as concrete before breaking.

So Martial artists strikes are effective at Breaking boards but to break bones you need force (unless your very lucky) a martial arts strike simply cannot deliver.

However the momentum from a Boxers punch which actually generates more force. if you wish I will explain why in another post.

For this reason alone Ali will knock Lees block off

I hope this ends the Argument to everyones satisfaction

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

Learned all that in science class

Originally posted by Droopy
Learned all that in science class

then you know kung fu kids strikes are laughable 🙂