Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee?

Originally posted by soleran30
Yeah most leg kicks in Muy Thai are not kicks aimed at the femur but at the tibia and fibula............those can snap MUCH MUCH easier indeed. Not to mention a kick from a sideangle to the shin with the proper force is practically a guarantee break.......

That said Bruce could win some fights and should if it is an unconventional fight however majority to Ali because he has more room for errors.

One of the main differences between muaythai kicks and other martial arts forms is that muaythai fighters strike with the shin instead of the foot or instep. The reason behind this is that the foot contains many bones, nearly all of which are relatively small compared to the shin, which makes it a delicate limb; if an opponent blocks a kick with the foot it is far more likely to be injured than the shin-bone. Not that the shin can't break - it can and does, and there are examples of shin-strikes leading to very nasty breaks; but with the right training and conditioning, a shin-strike can carry a force akin to that of being hit by a baseball bat.

however this depends on factors like bone density and people of african ancestry have a greater bone matrix density than oriental people. Interesting weird fact.

Wow going to far partner I realize this my point is thats it is an unconventional piece for boxers and a position that a good martial artist can take advantage from............ie lock up then use an instep on the arch of foot or sweep to the side and kick sideways..............confuse with elbows ie chicken wing them my point is conventionally boxing stance leaves alot to be desired for protection ot the legs, feet and even a small opponent can use this to their advantage and rather quickly.

Actually the feet are very strong if they are used in a correct kick.........

Originally posted by soleran30
Wow going to far partner I realize this my point is thats it is an unconventional piece for boxers and a position that a good martial artist can take advantage from............ie lock up then use an instep on the arch of foot or sweep to the side and kick sideways..............confuse with elbows ie chicken wing them my point is conventionally boxing stance leaves alot to be desired for protection ot the legs, feet and even a small opponent can use this to their advantage and rather quickly.

Actually the feet are very strong if they are used in a correct kick.........

To kick to Alis legs he has to get inside his reach, given the size difference Lees legs are about the leng of Ali's arms. Yes feet are strong when a kick is employed correctly, unfortunately the margin for error is very high.

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Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
To kick to Alis legs he has to get inside his reach, given the size difference Lees legs are about the leng of Ali's arms. Yes feet are strong when a kick is employed correctly, unfortunately the margin for error is very high.

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ok however this is a nonissue in one fight.

Which stems back to a point I made earlier.....................in an unconventional fight (ie out of a ring and open rules) then Lee does have tools to deal effectively with Ali's reach. However Ali has a much larger room for error vs Lee since it would be a one hit win essentially.

No gloves on a boxer would be BRUTAL on impact🙂 Most fights should go to Ali given patience in the fight. In the end it is gonna be how well they watch each other because as shown in MMA today just because you have a devastaing Striking record doesn't mean you WILL win in a match .

Originally posted by soleran30
ok however this is a nonissue in one fight.

Which stems back to a point I made earlier.....................in an unconventional fight (ie out of a ring and open rules) then Lee does have tools to deal effectively with Ali's reach. However Ali has a much larger room for error vs Lee since it would be a one hit win essentially.

No gloves on a boxer would be BRUTAL on impact🙂 Most fights should go to Ali given patience in the fight. In the end it is gonna be how well they watch each other because as shown in MMA today just because you have a devastaing Striking record doesn't mean you WILL win in a match .

No but when you have no record except refusing to fight in public someone you said you beat and others said you didn't you really are unlikely to win.

Chuck would whoop both there asses(full grown mastered chuck)

Originally posted by soleran30
Yeah most leg kicks in Muy Thai are not kicks aimed at the femur but at the tibia and fibula............those can snap MUCH MUCH easier indeed. Not to mention a kick from a sideangle to the shin with the proper force is practically a guarantee break.......

That said Bruce could win some fights and should if it is an unconventional fight however majority to Ali because he has more room for errors.

What you are saying would apply were talking about an actual fighter. There are several fighters who have more tools in an unconventional fight than a boxer but Bruce isn't one them. Bruce has never shown any ability to use any of these tools you refer to against Ali.

Of all the polls on KMC, this is the one I have seen most votes cast.

Ali Buma Ye ! Ali Buma Ye! Ali Buma Ye!

Originally posted by StyleTime
I have never seen a fighter get his shin broken from being kicked. Actually, the only fighters who break their shins during a match are the ones kicking improperly.

What you are saying would apply were talking about an actual fighter. There are several fighters who have more tools in an unconventional fight than a boxer but Bruce isn't one them. Bruce has never shown any ability to use any of these tools you refer to against Ali.

Agreed Leg kicks cause cramp, did you see Liddell - Couture 3? I won some money I said Chuck in the second!!!!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
No but when you have no record except refusing to fight in public someone you said you beat and others said you didn't you really are unlikely to win.

I mean this whole piece is subjective I can only show possible scenarios in which I said their could be a win. As I said before that shouldn't be the normal however we are assuming a great deal here.

Even if Bruce Lee never fought someone in a sanctioned competition or whatever I think it would be s little silly to think that he doesn't have certain skills because you never saw them. The man trained for years and years I am pretty sure he could think of a few ways to try and cripple another fighter.

Not to take away from anyone's experience or expertise here in my opinion anytime someone has a deliberate purpose and intent breaking bones isn't that hard. Most MMA matches or sparring the intention isn't there to deliberatly disable someone like that so to make that comparison isn't up to speed on this imaginary match up.

Still Ali should certainly take more wins however Lee could still take a few.

Originally posted by soleran30
Not to take away from anyone's experience or expertise here in my opinion anytime someone has a deliberate purpose and intent breaking bones isn't that hard. Most MMA matches or sparring the intention isn't there to deliberatly disable someone like that so to make that comparison isn't up to speed on this imaginary match up.

Bruce also has nowhere near enough strength to break Ali's bones with a strike. Most bone breaks are done by heavyweights anyway.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Agreed Leg kicks cause cramp, did you see Liddell - Couture 3? I won some money I said Chuck in the second!!!!

Those are also torso kicks/punchs AND I am simply presenting a possible scenario which can happen to think otherwise is pretty silly.................

Originally posted by soleran30
Those are also torso kicks/punchs AND I am simply presenting a possible scenario which can happen to think otherwise is pretty silly.................

Sir Whirlysplat, I just watched Liddel vs Couture 3. Was it just me, or was Chuck on fire that night? He was sharp that whole match.

Randy is also retiring . 🙁

Someone on another forum said pretty much what I thought about him.

"To me, the one guy that has helped clean up the image of MMA in the U.S. the most is Randy. You can't help but like him. He's intelligent, athletic, talented, hardworking, AMERICAN as all get out, and most importantly, he's well-spoken. He just isn't what your typical fightsport hating person is expecting.

Without Couture, MMA would not have near the mainstream appeal and acceptance that it does. Oh, and I hear he's a pretty good fighter, too.

Thanks Randy."

-Garbanzo Bean.

You will be missed Randy. I wish you luck in the rest of your life. You earned the nickname Captain America that fans so affectionately gave you.

I personally think ali would win......what ever happend to adventchild any way?

whirly whats up?

I love Ali, but, I would have to go with Bruce on this one. Bruce would adapt quiker than Ali. Not to mention he knows the pressure points of the body. One good blow frome Bruce, would probably kill Ali.

I think that Ali would win 😛

I used to think Bruce Lee was one of the best fighters ever and could do crazy impossible stuff, but the I realized most of it was BS. Ali beats him like a child.

Yup. 7 times out ten, anyhow..... 😛

Originally posted by AdventChild
Who would win in a Fight Muhammed or Bruce....?

Nothing against "The Greatest", but Ali would get owned in this fight.

Boxers ALWAYS do poorly against a martial artist, and especially against a wrestler or art than involves grappling. Boxers, not kickboxers, are the most one dimensional of fighters around.