mmm...
personally im against the centralisation of power that the new EU constitution would mean...the excuse of "its a tidying up exercise" is a misrepresentation of the facts...its is not merely a method of bringing previous legislation under a single constitution...it hands over very many countries individual rights that they currently have to Europe
Europe needs to do several things to improve its position in the world...firstly scrap the common agricultural policy which currently benefits the French and virtually no-one else
second...open up the European markets internationally and allow African nations to trade with Europe without having to compete against EU subsidised farms...thus helping tackle poverty
Europe needs to allow more free movement of Skilled workforces around withing the EU to allow a better distribution of Skills and therefor wealth within the EU
and it needs to scrap the Euro...its a weak currency and is being exploited by stronger nations (both by us Brits and the US)
and i'm actually really surprised that the french stood up against the EU...they're normally such "cheese eating surrender monkeys"
Originally posted by jaden101
mmm...personally im against the centralisation of power that the new EU constitution would mean...the excuse of "its a tidying up exercise" is a misrepresentation of the facts...its is not merely a method of bringing previous legislation under a single constitution...it hands over very many countries individual rights that they currently have to Europe
Europe needs to do several things to improve its position in the world...firstly scrap the common agricultural policy which currently benefits the French and virtually no-one else
second...open up the European markets internationally and allow African nations to trade with Europe without having to compete against EU subsidised farms...thus helping tackle poverty
Europe needs to allow more free movement of Skilled workforces around withing the EU to allow a better distribution of Skills and therefor wealth within the EU
and it needs to scrap the Euro...its a weak currency and is being exploited by stronger nations (both by us Brits and the US)
and i'm actually really surprised that the french stood up against the EU...they're normally such "cheese eating surrender monkeys"
The Euro is not even an issue here.. It might suck, what am I saying it does... But it can have its usses later on. One coin can and probably will really help us in the future...
For the rest I agree with somethings and disagree with some others but you have to remember that this treaty will be an improvement and a step in the right direction... To make those things better, nobody said it was perfect nobody agrees with all of it. Nobody can hope to do so, but thats not what matters. Its a step in the right direction, one step we still have a lot to go but its better to take that step then to stand still hoping the finish line will come to us.
One more thing about country's losing authority on some things...
The things they lose is actually a good thing, a united European way to track criminals and what not will make it a lot easier to find them. When a company gets outlawed in the Netherlands because of illegal substances it won't be able to go to France or England anymore, and when we kick somebody out of this country nobody else will be able to accept them. A lot of the pollution in rivers here in Holland comes from Germany, with the EU we can work to stop that. With the constitution that will be even easier and faster. Without it we are just ****ed on that matter.
Economicly Europe will stand stronger against the other nations, overall I see so much more improvements then downsides, and there are downsides of course. But they can be removed in later treaty's that will definitly follow.
About the constitutional treaty
1 - It's not really a constitution, for the EU isn't a nation
2 - It is a treaty that formally set the EU and all the evolutions that have happened over the past few years (instead of being a sum of dozens of treaties).
3 - The EU negotiating process is kinda slowing down. The last conferences were failures. We need to go ahead.
About France's "no".
1 - Many people have opposed this treaty, not because it was bad, but to express their discontent towards the government, the whole French political world and Europe (seen as the cause of all problems)
2 - By and large, the most educated and informed people (living in the cities) and the upper classes have voted Yes. The only opponents there were so because they don't want such a free-market system. Free-market ideologies,called liberal here, aren't considered as logical or natural. That's more a anglo-saxon belief. Here keynesians theories still have echoes...
3 - The treaty is hardly understandable, so many people have taken advantage of that to confuse people. So some people voted "no" because they thought the treaty was authorizing a pre-entry of Turkey in the EU, was linked to the Bolkestein directive...they mixed it all up with all the EU policies.
Believe me I live in the country I can know...
Most named reasons for voting no
- We hate Balkenende
- Turkey shouldn't be in the EU
- We are afraid of terrorism
- The environment won't improve
- The Euro sucks
Balkenende won't resign, we would have kept our veto right for new members, terrorism would be easier to fight, there would be more environmental laws making it easier to fight pollution and the Euro has absolutely nothing to do with.
Most of the people that voted No are idiots... And 90% of the no voters voted for the wrong reasons, I only met one person who managed to give a good argument to vote no, and I actually persuaded the bastard to vote yes.
Originally posted by wuk es't
Ur idiot cuz ur saying that people who think otherwise are idiots
Idiot
No i'm saying people are idiots because they don't know what this is all about and vote no to prevent things from happening that they want to happen.
They are voting no for the wrong reasons, if they actually read the constitution they wouldn't have voted No. I call those people idiots, well they basically are just ignorant bastards who should read and not follow somebody with a stupid hairstyle that changes his opinion on everything every five minutes if the polls say people like one thing more then another.
The sad thing is that it won'T change anything basically, it will still work out as it has done before....it just slowed down the process of unification.
Here's a summary of the constitution by the way