Euro-constitution

Originally posted by Fire
If people don't get something, they shouldn't vote. Voting no because you don't understand something is a very bad idea as well.

But the truth of the matter is this thing is too complex for the ordanairy joe to understand, so any referendum about this would be a bad idea.

Referenda (as proven in the past) only work on very clear black and white issues.

Exactly our government as well as the French made a huge mistake by making such a thing take place... Its really their own fault

True, and Balkenende won't have the guts to push it through

Maybe not, but the most powerful leader of the opposition here might...

He can pull it off if he gets the heads together.

But he's an idiot he actually said that if we voted no we should hold another referendum and try again... He's stupid... But if he makes a plan like that, if he has the guts then he might get enough support from other party's do it. I very much doubt it, but its possible...

If we are lucky however the exit polls are wrong and the results will drop around 55% no and the rest yes, in that case Balkenende left it up to doubt what he would do with the advise of the people... God I hope the exit polls are wrong, its the only real chance Holland still has

Johan Bos?

well the dutch have said no as well...

the constitution is dead...why

the European constitution is 400 pages and thousands of clauses

compare it with the US constitution of 33 clauses readable on 2 pages...

TO MUCH BULLSH*T

the US is a country, the EU is not and the US constitution was drafted over 200 years ago

Originally posted by jaden101
well the dutch have said no as well...

the constitution is dead...why

the European constitution is 400 pages and thousands of clauses

compare it with the US constitution of 33 clauses readable on 2 pages...

TO MUCH BULLSH*T

the US is one single country (with relative freedom for the states), the EU is still more an idea to get a lot of countries closer together
and secondly: as GP said: it isn't a constitution in the first place

it isn't a constitution in the first place

you mean...apart from the fact that its titled "the european constitution"

actually you're right though...it is a poor comparison with the US constitution because of the individual countries in the EU...but the fact that its called the constitution invariably brings the thought of the US constitution into the minds of the people of Europe...and what do they get from it...they seem to think its a way of making a united states of Europe...even if its not

the politicians have compounded the problem by failing to really explain to the people what the constitution is about...i can at least talk for britain on the fact of this in that during the election campaign the question of the European constitution was never brought up by any of the main parties...i dont even know if certain parties are pro or anti constitution because they have never tried to explain it to the public

hey, a belgian fat guy worked on it... what did you expect from him? 😉

WHY do you compare it with the US constitution? 😑

WHY do you compare it with the US constitution?

uuuhhh...because its called a constitution

Originally posted by jaden101
uuuhhh...because its called a constitution

because the European constitution is basically trying to form a united states of Europe by centralising power into an unaccountable and remote institution and take away sovereign nations right and ability ro govern themselves

i don't like this idea.

I like this idea

Originally posted by Bardock42
I like this idea

Originally posted by Clovie
why? 😑
you're being independent for too long?

You don'T lose your independence it gets just brought to a bigger level.

The difference is, before there are like 40 million now there are 300 million ( I totally made up these numbers but you get the idea)

Originally posted by Bardock42
You don'T lose your independence it gets just brought to a bigger level.

The difference is, before there are like 40 million now there are 300 million ( I totally made up these numbers but you get the idea)

Originally posted by Clovie
but some ppl far away won't be thinking what is good for us, but what is good for them..
so in the end it will just make everything worse 🙁

Sure because everything that happens in your country is for your best ✅ (note the sarcasm).

Especially for Poland the EU will makes things much better not worse.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Sure because everything that happens in your country is for your best ✅ (note the sarcasm).

Especially for Poland the EU will makes things much better not worse.