Originally posted by Bardock42
The sad thing is that it won'T change anything basically, it will still work out as it has done before....it just slowed down the process of unification.Here's a summary of the constitution by the way
sad? sad? If people actually knew what they were voting for and still would have voted no, then it would be sad. Now its just stupid that country's even held a referendum
If they're not informed enough about the constitution then damn right they should vote no. Why would u approve something ur not sure about. And if people dont know enough about it, then thats only the fault of the people who should be trying to sell it to them. Personally i dont think theres been enough discussion bout the constitution. I watch the news every day and i still dont know a damn thing about it. Yes i should read up on it, but i cant be bothered to sieve through endless pages just to get a few crappy details.
Originally posted by naybean
If they're not informed enough about the constitution then damn right they should vote no. Why would u approve something ur not sure about. And if people dont know enough about it, then thats only the fault of the people who should be trying to sell it to them. Personally i dont think theres been enough discussion bout the constitution. I watch the news every day and i still dont know a damn thing about it. Yes i should read up on it, but i cant be bothered to sieve through endless pages just to get a few crappy details.
Well yeah the governments did a crappy job of convincing people, they started far to late about all of Europe for that matter. But there were a lot of debates about it, that had incredibly low ratings..
The no party's did everything they could to give people a negative feeling about all of this, and the things they said were all beaten in debates... I watched them all...
Personally I think most people did a crappy job on telling us what the Constitution was all about. But if you don't know what its about you shouldn't vote at all, not vote no. Not for yes just don't vote. Let the people that know what its about decide
Originally posted by Fishyye but the prob wit that is theres a lot of ppl out there who dont know what theyr voting for and will vote yes. If its that great then they should have taken time convincing people it was the right thing to do but instead it just seems like theyr rushing it through so everyones gonna say no. If its that great an idea it will stick around and come back in 5 years time anyways.
Well yeah the governments did a crappy job of convincing people, they started far to late about all of Europe for that matter. But there were a lot of debates about it, that had incredibly low ratings..The no party's did everything they could to give people a negative feeling about all of this, and the things they said were all beaten in debates... I watched them all...
Personally I think most people did a crappy job on telling us what the Constitution was all about. But if you don't know what its about you shouldn't vote at all, not vote no. Not for yes just don't vote. Let the people that know what its about decide
Originally posted by Bardock42see i want 1 page of bullet points telling me wat the whole thing means - thats a summary. But politics is never that simple.
Well its what the commission gave out as a summary...and its easy written and quite understandable...fast to read too...and it brings the major points ....so you could call it a summary.
Originally posted by naybean
ye but the prob wit that is theres a lot of ppl out there who dont know what theyr voting for and will vote yes. If its that great then they should have taken time convincing people it was the right thing to do but instead it just seems like theyr rushing it through so everyones gonna say no. If its that great an idea it will stick around and come back in 5 years time anyways.
Oh it will come back slightly altered and then it will pass...
But most people, at least in this country and in France voted no because they had no idea what it was about... Almost nobody voted yes because they had no idea what it was about... The general oppinion of Europe here sucks because the government never really told anybody about the advantages they just kinda thought people would pick up on it, well obviously most of them didn't
Well of course they are not...the world is not that simple...if people are to stupid toi inform themselves (I don't want to include you here, I don't know you, I am talking in general) then well maybe they shouldn't vote on too much...they often don't know whats best for them so the politicians have to protect them from themselves.
pfft... you guys are so convinced its the best thing - i will read up on the constitution properly when i have to vote for it. I dont like the idea of it cos from what little ive read on it it seems an awful lot of bullshit just to clean up the EU. Im sure the people who voted no did so because they had good reason. People dont need protecting from themselves - at the end of the day the gov will screw u over as much as everybody else.
Originally posted by naybean
pfft... you guys are so convinced its the best thing - i will read up on the constitution properly when i have to vote for it. I dont like the idea of it cos from what little ive read on it it seems an awful lot of bullshit just to clean up the EU. Im sure the people who voted no did so because they had good reason. People dont need protecting from themselves - at the end of the day the gov will screw u over as much as everybody else.
Yeah its to help the EU clean up their shit, isn't that a good thing? I'd rather have it cleaned up then stay there to annoy people.
What old constitution is it talking aboot? 🤨
The thing we have to reqalize is that most people are stupid...they do stuff for the wrong reasons if they have reasons at all. They don't care for stuff that is further away than one arm length to reach (without moving). I trust politicians (with all their scandals and including idiots like Bush or Schröder) more than any mass of people.
A single person can be smart and intelligent and nice and all considered positive by our standards today but when it comes to many they become idiots.
If people don't get something, they shouldn't vote. Voting no because you don't understand something is a very bad idea as well.
But the truth of the matter is this thing is too complex for the ordanairy joe to understand, so any referendum about this would be a bad idea.
Referenda (as proven in the past) only work on very clear black and white issues.