NJO Luke Skywalker vs. Darth Revan

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I agree with you on the sucky idea to make there no good or evil. Luke has fought plenty of lightsaber weilders. Also, why should it be limited to just lightsaber weilders? Any melee person should help in melle combat experince. The way they fight is pretty much the same. Below are some of the LIGHTSABER weilders Luke fought. NOT all of them though.

1. Jensarri. They used lightsabers. They aren't mentioned much, infact, maybe in only one book, I, Jedi.

2. Cult of Ragnos. These guys suck, but so do a lot of the people Revan fought. Example, the people at the Sith Academy who had trained for maybe a month.

3. Sparring with other Jedi. Not as helpful as a real fight, but it still helps.

4. Then there are the main characters I listed before.

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Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
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I agree with you on the sucky idea to make there no good or evil. Luke has fought plenty of lightsaber weilders. Also, why should it be limited to just lightsaber weilders? Any melee person should help in melle combat experince. The way they fight is pretty much the same. Below are some of the LIGHTSABER weilders Luke fought. NOT all of them though.

1. Jensarri. They used lightsabers. They aren't mentioned much, infact, maybe in only one book, I, Jedi.

2. Cult of Ragnos. These guys suck, but so do a lot of the people Revan fought. Example, the people at the Sith Academy who had trained for maybe a month.

3. Sparring with other Jedi. Not as helpful as a real fight, but it still helps.

4. Then there are the main characters I listed before.

True, but he had no experience fighting anyone remotely close to him in skill like Revan would be. Revan fought Malak, Bandon,(Would be stronger than any bad guy Luke fought), and a few ones that were a little bit lesser than him. And there's difference between lightsaber and melee. Melee wielders won't be using the force to help them with there attacks and their attacks will be incredibly wide and out of control compared to a lightsaber. That isn't very good experience for lightsaber fighting.

And on your site, lol it's 'Tulak Hord' not 'Tulak Lord'. (Just needed to be a ass today).

Man, this forum has a great deal of good debates. Both from Luke's side and Revan's. Just look at the poll! The two Force users are tied in becoming the victor...starwars

I still haven't voted. Which side should I vote for?

Revans

If you want an opinion, sir, then mine is to vote Luke. Didn't mean to seem like I care too much. I just think Luke would win, although this is perhaps a subjective opinion.

Peace, Mr. Kun, sir.

How would Luke win? Please give your oppinion.

Okay. However, not to dodge the bullet, but have you read the NJO books? This isn't meant in an offensive or supercilious way - I'm just curious (also I want to know should I make a response).

Yes I have. But I strongley believe that Luke is over rated and that Revan could beat him.

That's understandable. Seeing as you've read the books, I can hardly tell you anything new. However, both characters, Revan and Luke, are highly controversial and have highly biased fans, so it's hard to discuss them subjectively. So, anyways, since you have an educated opinion and are learned on this matter, I will completely respect your judgment, Boba.

Peace, my friend.

peace 😄

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
Thank you emeperor revan for showing what a load of bs this luke killed more in one fight than revan ever did nonsense revan was a frontline solidier a field commander if you will during kotor he anhilated anything that got in his way as well as everyone he fought during the mandalorian wars and the jedi civil war that definitly makes thousands. But on that opic who cares how many they killed? It doesn't matter if i killed 10 guys and i fought a guy whop killed 20 it wouldn't have much bearing except the fact that with all the wars revan was part of he was able to put his far superior knowledge of force and lightsaber powers to use and unlike luke he never ever was beaten in combat.

Thanks. I'm glad I've got other on my side like you, Fishy, Himokun and the others.

Originally posted by HimoKun
And being in a battle of a normal war won't help you beat someone in one on one. Luke has the disadvantage with experience since he had not been fighting other lightsaber wielders.

Err...
Luke had 3 fights with Vader alone using lightsabers (one in EU, two in the films). He fought several Dark Jedi / Sith and we have to keep in mind that somebody had to train the NJO in lightsaber combat.

An since when does experience count in lightsaber vs lightsaber combat ? Sidious had almost no experience in direct lightsaber combat (at least NO training for 30+ years) and he kills 3 masters in less than 10 seconds in RotS. Kyle Katarn had no training in lightsaber combat and killed 7 Dark Jedi and probably thousands of enemies with that weapon (when you want to take arguments from the events in SW video games I can do that too).


No good guy is perfect. No bad guy is completely bad. But they do follow one side or the other. That is how George Lucas sees it. It is the EU writers who came up with the bullshit of 'There is no dark side or light side, but only the force'. That is completely contradictary to Lucas' idea.

I think you have no idea how much control Lucas has over the EU section. Many EU books are written by authors who got an assignment by Lucas to do so. There is almost nothing in the EU that contradicts Lucas ideas. You should keep in mind that SW universe is "owned" by Lucas completely.

And now ask yourself what is more frightening and more "realistic": The idea that "good" or "evil" is determined by the two oppositing sides of an energy field or the idea that every single person has the potential to be "good" or "evil" ? Take a closer look on the midichlorians. Qui-Gon said to Anakin that you can listen what they tell you and what they tell you is the will of the force. And now you can tell me what a Sith Lord actually is ? Is it somebody that ignores the will of the force completely ? Or is it somebody that just got the "evil" midichlorians ? First idea implies that the "evil" side always has to lose against the "good" in any form of direct confrontation because acting against the will of the power that controls everything and that is not true for the SW universe. Second idea also contraticts the events in the SW universe since we have tons of people turning from DS to LS or the other way around (Luke himself, Revan, Kyp Durron, Darth Vader).
So what is the truth ?
At least I don't see the "contradiction" in the ideas of the energy field, the potentiuum and the unifying force. Any difference between the both sides is always displayed throug feelings / motivations the force users have. Blowing up the Death Star and killing ten thousands of human beings with that actions could be seen as something "evil" but because the "evil" guys die it is good.


Now, Dun Moch is a fightnig technique, since you do it during a fight. Yes, Luke is a form 5 practioner, but that doesn't help in a lightsaber fight, since Form 5 is meant to deflect blaster bolts at there opponent and it is also a form meant for killing numerous inferior enemies, like what Anakin did during ROTS.

Form V is designed to turn defence into offence. Not just redirect blasterfire also do the same thing in lightsaber combat. It is meant to overwhelm an opponent through sheer strength since the blows are very wide swinging and thereby very hard to parry.
And it is not just meant for killing numerous enemies. I'd say form V is the best form for lightsaber vs lightsaber combat except for form II. You can see Dooku (form II master) out of breath after parrying Anakins (form V user) attacks for about 30 seconds.


That was decided by a pansy move. If you watch AOTC, remember what Dooku says to Yoda before he starts dueling him. It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... but by our skills with a lightsaber.

And see what happened. Yoda...totally out of any "real" lightsaber fighting for a very long time period totaly owns Dooku who had mastered the form that is said to be the ultimate refinement in lightsaber vs lightsaber combat. And lightsaber combat can't be done without using the force.

Luke owns.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Err...
Luke had 3 fights with Vader alone using lightsabers (one in EU, two in the films). He fought several Dark Jedi / Sith and we have to keep in mind that somebody had to train the NJO in lightsaber combat.

An since when does experience count in lightsaber vs lightsaber combat ? Sidious had almost no experience in direct lightsaber combat (at least NO training for 30+ years) and he kills 3 masters in less than 10 seconds in RotS. Kyle Katarn had no training in lightsaber combat and killed 7 Dark Jedi and probably thousands of enemies with that weapon (when you want to take arguments from the events in SW video games I can do that too).

I think you have no idea how much control Lucas has over the EU section. Many EU books are written by authors who got an assignment by Lucas to do so. There is almost nothing in the EU that contradicts Lucas ideas. You should keep in mind that SW universe is "owned" by Lucas completely.

And now ask yourself what is more frightening and more "realistic": The idea that "good" or "evil" is determined by the two oppositing sides of an energy field or the idea that every single person has the potential to be "good" or "evil" ? Take a closer look on the midichlorians. Qui-Gon said to Anakin that you can listen what they tell you and what they tell you is the will of the force. And now you can tell me what a Sith Lord actually is ? Is it somebody that ignores the will of the force completely ? Or is it somebody that just got the "evil" midichlorians ? First idea implies that the "evil" side always has to lose against the "good" in any form of direct confrontation because acting against the will of the power that controls everything and that is not true for the SW universe. Second idea also contraticts the events in the SW universe since we have tons of people turning from DS to LS or the other way around (Luke himself, Revan, Kyp Durron, Darth Vader).
So what is the truth ?
At least I don't see the "contradiction" in the ideas of the energy field, the potentiuum and the unifying force. Any difference between the both sides is always displayed throug feelings / motivations the force users have. Blowing up the Death Star and killing ten thousands of human beings with that actions could be seen as something "evil" but because the "evil" guys die it is good.

Form V is designed to turn defence into offence. Not just redirect blasterfire also do the same thing in lightsaber combat. It is meant to overwhelm an opponent through sheer strength since the blows are very wide swinging and thereby very hard to parry.
And it is not just meant for killing numerous enemies. I'd say form V is the best form for lightsaber vs lightsaber combat except for form II. You can see Dooku (form II master) out of breath after parrying Anakins (form V user) attacks for about 30 seconds.

And see what happened. Yoda...totally out of any "real" lightsaber fighting for a very long time period totaly owns Dooku who had mastered the form that is said to be the ultimate refinement in lightsaber vs lightsaber combat. And lightsaber combat can't be done without using the force.

Luke still didn't have experience with anyone near his skill level duting NJO. Vader was not a opponent during NJO, and what he fought was a cripple basically.

Yes Lucas has control over them, but that doesn't mean he tells them what ot write. If you look at the movie, there is a good and a bad side, the Dark Side and the Light Side. What Luke did with the was for a just cause, so it makes it ok. And I never said you have evil or good midichlorians. Everyone does have the pontential to become good and bad, and you achieve that through the different versions of the force; the light and dark side. And no, good only triumphs over evil in the end in the Star Wars World.( Confederacy being beaten, Malak being killed, Sith Empire being destroyed, Sidious dying, etc.) And why are we even talking about this? It's completely irrelevant.

Form V is a more offensive form of Form III. And if you noticed, Dooku was fighting completely differently from when he was fighting both Obi Wan and Anakin, from when he' fighting anakin. When he's fighting Anakin, he's has a completely different style. His swings have much less finese and the way he's fighting is incredibly open and unlike his percise strikes during AOTC. I believe Dooku was avoiding killing Anakin since Darth Sidious wanted Anakin alive. And Form V is a incredibly open form, almost as open as Form 4. This kinda of form would not help you fight someone like Revan, who would most likely catch on and kill you while your swinging like that.

And Yoda was sparring with Jedi all that time and he probably fought many Fallen Jedi. Remember, that the time where Ydoa was there was no war, but that doesn't mean he didn't fight anyone.

"I warn you not to underestimate my power." ROTJ Luke Skywalker

It would be an amazing battle, but NJO Luke Skywalker at the end would rise to be the victor...starwars

That just shows he's full of himself.

Revan gets his ass kicked because he is overrated.

Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
Revan gets his ass kicked because he is overrated.

Overrated my ass. I think he's rated just right. What isn't he good at? Does he even have any weaknesses? If you want, I will post a big list of Lord Revan's accomplishments to show that he's not overrated.