cannonball (adult version) vs superman

you all are using that kinetic energy way to much, lets put it like this, he has a force field, hes not surrounded in fire like human forch. Superman cant blow out something that has never been lit. thats is just stopping cannonball from absorbing the impact, thats all it is doing. cannonball wasnt created to be rogue or parasite, he was created and known for the man that once in flight nothing can harm him, not even ice. Like every mutant he tapped into new powers and has mastered them, he can turn them off and he can turn the on. But when he is in flight trust me he is invulnerable.

someone posted that Sam has survived Absolute Zero, so I dont know.

Originally posted by derrick24
you all are using that kinetic energy way to much, lets put it like this, he has a force field, hes not surrounded in fire like human forch. Superman cant blow out something that has never been lit. thats is just stopping cannonball from absorbing the impact, thats all it is doing.

"release thermochemical energy as an impenetrable blast field"

His forcefeild is a "thermochemical energy". The cold would effect that. 🙂

Originally posted by FieryBalrog
someone posted that Sam has survived Absolute Zero, so I dont know.

Originally posted by derrick24
you all are using that kinetic energy way to much

lets put it like this, he has a force field, hes not surrounded in fire like human forch. Superman cant blow out something that has never been lit.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And when did he do that?

answer this question creshok, ok you say that it is different from ice man freezing cannonball instead of superman.

you said that ice man is icing him from the outside but superman will be shooting the ice inside, how is this possible. How can superman get pass cannonball force field. It is no difference and cannonball sat there and increased the temperature and it melted before it even touched his force field. Superman wont be doing anything any different from ice man, shooting him on the outside and the same affect is going to happen. who knows how long sam can keep that up, he might can keep the temperature up while in flight and while superman is still blowing his breath, he flies up to superman and punches him.

You dont know cannonball limit no more than i do, were just guessing. He might can melt superman ice all day, it no telling but i know he wont stay still while superman is shooting ice at him, that would be plain out stupid on his part.

Originally posted by derrick24
answer this question creshok, ok you say that it is different from ice man freezing cannonball instead of superman.

you said that ice man is icing him from the outside but superman will be shooting the ice inside,

Originally posted by Creshosk
AROUND and AT, not OUTSIDE and INSIDE get your prepositions right.

any way you put it, it dont make sense. if ice man is shooting ice directly at you, how is it going around you. 😕

if superman freezes you, your body is covered in ice.
when iceman freezes you, your body is covered in ice.

Ice man powers are shoot ice out at his opponents freezing them.
how could superman powers be as great as someones only powers, dont make sense.

If cannonball can take ice man cold, he wouldnt have a problem with superman.

Superman's ice breath is like a flamethrower. Iceman has better control to get around Cannonball as not to hurt him. This was in the danger room was it not? He'd be holding back too since they were only training.

Originally posted by derrick24
cannonball wasnt created to be rogue or parasite, he was created and known for the man that once in flight nothing can harm him, not even ice. Like every mutant he tapped into new powers and has mastered them, he can turn them off and he can turn the on. But when he is in flight trust me he is invulnerable.

ummm....didnt he fly straight toward Juggs once and all he did was hit Juggs chest and he got knocked out? and spidy had to save him?

Originally posted by derrick24
any way you put it, it dont make sense.

Originally posted by derrick24
if ice man is shooting ice directly at you, how is it going around you. 😕

Originally posted by derrick24
if superman freezes you, your body is covered in ice.
when iceman freezes you, your body is covered in ice.

When Iceman creates an icedome, the ari around you has been turned to ice, but you don't have ice on you.

Originally posted by derrick24
Ice man powers are shoot ice out at his opponents freezing them.

Originally posted by derrick24
how could superman powers be as great as someones only powers, dont make sense.

Because superman's attack would be DIRECTLY AT while Iceman's was not. . .

If cannonball can take ice man cold, he wouldnt have a problem with superman. [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Superman's ice breath is like a flamethrower. Iceman has better control to get around Cannonball as not to hurt him. This was in the danger room was it not? He'd be holding back too since they were only training.

Do you know how the xmen train in the danger room, its due or die (not die but get hurt). Cannonball and iceman was going at there max, thats what the training room is, to help you against opponents. Lets say if they were just playing around superman temperature isnt getting nowhere as cold as ice man.

I dunno. He freezes molten l;ava in seconds flat. That's gotta be absolute zero or around that kinda temp.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
ummm....didnt he fly straight toward Juggs once and all he did was hit Juggs chest and he got knocked out? and spidy had to save him?

no; you almost had it right though. Him and wolverine was in a bar seeing who can get drunk 1st (during the onslaught saga) and cannonball was heavily intoxicated (dizzy intoxicated). He seen juggernaut and jumped up and flew at him (even though he was zig zagging the entire flight) and he bounce off of a juggernaut with his force field up. Wolverine told juggernaut that cannonball was drunk and he also threaten juggernaut, ending with juggernaut running out of the bar.

And please dont compare juggernaut and superman durability. Juggernaut is like one of the most durable person in all of comics, the guy walked thru a god blast from thor, galactus cant even do that.

Originally posted by derrick24
Do you know how the xmen train in the danger room, its due or die (not die but get hurt). Cannonball and iceman was going at there max, thats what the training room is, to help you against opponents. Lets say if they were just playing around superman temperature isnt getting nowhere as cold as ice man.

ice man blast can get to absolute zero, i actually think he cant help it, i think all of his blast is at absolute zero, to freeze the atmosphere like that.

Originally posted by derrick24
Do you know how the xmen train in the danger room, its due or die (not die but get hurt). Cannonball and iceman was going at there max, thats what the training room is, to help you against opponents. Lets say if they were just playing around superman temperature isnt getting nowhere as cold as ice man.

Originally posted by derrick24
Do you know how the xmen train in the danger room, its due or die (not die but get hurt). Cannonball and iceman was going at there max, thats what the training room is, to help you against opponents. Lets say if they were just playing around superman temperature isnt getting nowhere as cold as ice man.

You obviously don't know how the X-men train, yes they push hard but they don't try to go above what they can handle.

If Iceman were to freeze Canonball's blood that would go directly past the forcefeild, starting at CB's blood.

Iceman doesn't shoot ice.

Originally posted by derrick24
ice man blast can get to absolute zero, i actually think he cant help it, i think all of his blast is at absolute zero, to freeze the atmosphere like that.

this is ice man powers and make sure you look at the sub zero part

Real Name: Robert Louis Drake
Universe/Timeline: Marvel Universe
Current Status: X-Men
Aliases: Rampage II (under mind control), Drake Roberts, Mister Friese
Nationality: American
First Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #1
Powers and Abilities:
generate subzero cold that freezes anything in its path, forming water vapor into various ice shapes, exists in organic ice form with enhanced strength, durability, and cryomorphing powers

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http://uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=569