Do any of the Superman experts know exactly how "freeze" breath works? It does make sense that freeze breath would tax Cannonball's shield but that doesnt mean it would hurt him. We know that since "cold" is essentially a relative absence of thermal energy it would cause a net loss to CB's field. However, there is no telling if its enough of a net loss to break or absorb the field, just that it would be a net loss. Just like saying throwing a rock at invisible woman's field would cause a net loss, but certainly wouldnt break the shield.
Originally posted by derrick24You seem to not be able to grasp the concept of an attack being directed around a person being different than an attack directed at someone.
Like i stated before ice man tried that trick in the danger room during a training session, but the ice melted before it even touched him. He can increase his temperature. Ice isnt going thru his force field, stop saying that. The guy is totally invulnerable, that also means ice, his only weakness is magic, if superman dont have that he isnt getting thru that force field. If gladiator cant get thru it, i know superman cant.
Originally posted by WynndarBut if there is enough stress on that that might start having a negative effect on the user of the shield.
Do any of the Superman experts know exactly how "freeze" breath works? It does make sense that freeze breath would tax Cannonball's shield but that doesnt mean it would hurt him. We know that since "cold" is essentially a relative absence of thermal energy it would cause a net loss to CB's field. However, there is no telling if its enough of a net loss to break or absorb the field, just that it would be a net loss. Just like saying throwing a rock at invisible woman's field would cause a net loss, but certainly wouldnt break the shield.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You seem to not be able to grasp the concept of an attack being directed around a person being different than an attack directed at someone.
But why would Iceman attack him that way if he knows a direct would be successful?
Originally posted by Creshosk
But if there is enough stress on that that might start having a negative effect on the user of the shield. [/B]
True but there is no evidence suggesting Superman's freeze breath would be able to provide that challenge to CB's powers, just our own assumptions and opinions.
Originally posted by WynndarWhy was Iceman attacking him in the first place?
But why would Iceman attack him that way if he knows a direct would be successful?
Originally posted by WynndarYup, it really depends on how much concentration CB would need to put out if his powers were taxed in the first place.
True but there is no evidence suggesting Superman's freeze breath would be able to provide that challenge to CB's powers, just our own assumptions and opinions.
Superman isn't the "dumbest" "meatheaded" superhero you know he actually applies his "mind" when facing an incredible foe.
Gladiator was so "dumbfounded" indeed on Cannonball's "absorbing technique" BUT that does not mean CB would win a one-on-one confrontation..
First off, Superman is a "fighting conscious" type of character and using trial and error(his direct physical attacks ineffective) then he would result to other means of offense. Like simply grappling him(I sincerely doubt he could absorb a grapple) and tossing him into 1) Space/Sun 2) Core of the earth. Superman could also entrap him inside a Glacier in which could restrain him long enough for Supes to fly him into the midst of Space.
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJActually he might be able to absorb the grapple.
Superman isn't the "dumbest" "meatheaded" superhero you know he actually applies his "mind" when facing an incredible foe.Gladiator was so "dumbfounded" indeed on Cannonball's "absorbing technique" BUT that does not mean CB would win a one-on-one confrontation..
First off, Superman is a "fighting conscious" type of character and using trial and error(his direct physical attacks ineffective) then he would result to other means of offense. Like simply grappling him(I sincerely doubt he could absorb a grapple) and tossing him into 1) Space/Sun 2) Core of the earth. Superman could also entrap him inside a Glacier in which could restrain him long enough for Supes to fly him into the midst of Space.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Cannonball ever been pushed? Ever moved by something other than himself? If so, he doesn't absorb all kinetic energy and grappling works. Otherwise, Supes could simply put up a fist and let Cannonball run into it, I don't think Cannonball can absorb his own kinetic energy...
do you know what kinetic energy is, its force anything that superman does to cannonball using his hand or anybody part hes absorbing it.
this should answer your question
Kinetic energy is the energy of motion. An object which has motion - whether it be vertical or horizontal motion - has kinetic energy. There are many forms of kinetic energy - vibrational (the energy due to vibrational motion), rotational (the energy due to rotational motion), and translational (the energy due to motion from one location to another). To keep matters simple, we will focus upon translational kinetic energy. The amount of translational kinetic energy (from here on, the phrase kinetic energy will refer to translational kinetic energy) which an object has depends upon two variables: the mass (m) of the object and the speed (v) of the object. The following equation is used to represent the kinetic energy (KE) of an object.
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
Superman isn't the "dumbest" "meatheaded" superhero you know he actually applies his "mind" when facing an incredible foe.Gladiator was so "dumbfounded" indeed on Cannonball's "absorbing technique" BUT that does not mean CB would win a one-on-one confrontation..
First off, Superman is a "fighting conscious" type of character and using trial and error(his direct physical attacks ineffective) then he would result to other means of offense. Like simply grappling him(I sincerely doubt he could absorb a grapple) and tossing him into 1) Space/Sun 2) Core of the earth. Superman could also entrap him inside a Glacier in which could restrain him long enough for Supes to fly him into the midst of Space.
Like i said before cannonball can expand his force field, if superman grabs him, which would be a bad thing to do, cannonball has 3 options;
1. he can make it easy and just expand his force field so that superman could release him.
2. he can absorb what superman is doing and ride it out until he gets enough strength to ko him like he almost did fury and gladiator.
3. He can just blow up the entire area, and superman will feel alot of the blast and would be stunned.
like i said before, all he would have to do is put a force field around superman, fly him in the ocean and see how long he could breath under water. Or he can let superman well on him all day pretending that it hurts, gain enough strength and knock superman out with a captain marvel blow to the back of the head. Another thing; my post above says that kinetic energy is something in motion. Heat vision has motion (gets absorbed), ice breath has motion (gets absorbed) and punches has motion (gets absorbed), grappling is motion and that would get absorbed also.
Max potential Cannonball is a tough,tough foe due to the nature of his powers.
Superman is my favorite DC char, but I still say CB wins 8/10. If he didn't have his field up BEFORE he saw Supes, Superman would win 10/10--he would move in on Sam before Sam could think of putting up his field. Sadly, the topic creator said the field was on so Supes loses...
As for the "robot" everybody was talking about--that's The Fury, a mix of magic and science.
Think of Nimrod, the Phalanx, and Doomsday mooshed together. It can beat ANY single "earth bound" character in personal combat--Marvel OR DC. The sad thing is the Fury that the Uncanny team beat wasn't even at full power...
Oh, and derrick you made Sam look like he was doing something in that fight. He didn't do **** except annoy the Fury and get his leg broken.
It's a very very powerful opponent...I wish we would see more of it so everybody could bask in it's awesomeness...
Originally posted by DrDoom
If he didn't have his field up BEFORE he saw Supes, Superman would win 10/10--he would move in on Sam before Sam could think of putting up his field. Sadly, the topic creator said the field was on so Supes loses...
Originally posted by derrick24
until he gets enough strength to ko him like he almost did fury and gladiator
He can just blow up the entire area, and superman will feel alot of the blast and would be stunned.
Originally posted by DrDoom
True dat Tuna.Still, I hate it when a vs. thread's set up gets tipped in the favor of one opponent.
Doom you were right about the fury robot, cannonball wasnt nothing but a annoyance to it, but he was a good annoyance. he was the only one fighting the android, rachel got punched out of orbit and bishop was on the side lines. Cannonball was getting slapped around but he did get some well placed licks. If it wasnt for cannonball force field he would have been dead. The reason i said what i said was because this guy made fury look weak because he knocked cannonball down. He stated if fury can do it than superman could. I advised him that fury would murder superman and i actually think that cannonball did better in that fight than superman would have ever done.
But i have to admit you did correct me and i cant down you for that but you have to admit that cannonball was holding his own on a machine that i think could even take apocalypse. And yes you were right on something else, superman loses this battle, he has no way of getting around cannonball force field, fury had magic, cannonballs weakness, superman dont.