Originally posted by DrDoom
All of those weapons AND superstrength AND superspeed couldn't hurt him...but Superman speedblitzing him with strength alone will?Like I said, if Sam's field is down before the fight Supes wins--but it's already up before the fight starts, so Superman is screwed.
Also, Cannonball got his leg busted because he got stupid and tried to fight Fury head on. Yes, his injury was affecting him--but he still had enough juice to go a couple more rounds with Fury,get covered in liquid nitrogen, and blast free.
True, the Fury did stretch Rachel--but that's what you get when you fly straight at an enemy that you've never met before. Her power makes her overconfident, but she soon learned that she wasn't invincible. Oh and it knocked her from UK into orbit, then she fell into the Irish sea. She didn't get tossed from USA to Ireland...
Superman is stronger than the Fury,faster, is a great aerial combatant, and has great energy reserves. Fury is tougher, and a much,much,much better fighter than he is due to it's abilities. Fury would work Supes. 🙁
The only way Superman could win is if he just tired Sam out. If he just flew around him throwing random **** at him for like, the whole day Sam would get tired (while Superman won't) and his shield would weaken (mebbe even disappear altogether) THEN Superman could strike. I
doubt Supes would last long enough to do this because he would probably punch Sam at about 1/2 strength, see it has no effect, say "Great Rao!" and try his heat vision/arctic breath. That wouldn't work so he'd try full strength blows--and Sam would keep absorbing the blows--and send them right back at him. At this point Superman could use the plan that I have stated above...but I figured he'd knock himself out after 4 punches (which is basically like him punching himself).CB wins 8/10. Supes wins 2/10 if he lasts long enough to tire him out.
dr doom youre great and you know your comics. K3vil dont know that fury was based off of killing superhumans, which that is what superman is and he dont know that cannonball can absorb anything superman can dish out, he is sticking to the fact that superman is superman and dont want to see the truth. That no one has broke thru cannonball force field unless they had some magic involved or cannonball got cocky. Superman knows nothing of cannonball and that would be his down fall.
Originally posted by DrDoom
At this point Superman could use the plan that I have stated above...but I figured he'd knock himself out after 4 punches (which is basically like him punching himself).
Originally posted by derrick24
explain zods heat vision going thru superman and superman bleeding at the mouth and nose and having a black eye. what happened to that invulnerability.
Originally posted by Mainstream
it's nigh invulnerability...no one is invulnerable...everyone has weakness even Supes.
i dont consider superman invulnerable, not the current superman, he can just take a lot of punishment.
Can someone tell me the name of a superman villian that has 4 claws on each hands and he have cables coming out of his back, he was in the comic when superman was fighting zod, he was the one that ripped superman father in half. The reason i asked you for his name is because he also slashed a hole in superman chest.
Originally posted by derrick24
i dont consider superman invulnerable, not the current superman, he can just take a lot of punishment.
Can someone tell me the name of a superman villian that has 4 claws on each hands and he have cables coming out of his back, he was in the comic when superman was fighting zod, he was the one that ripped superman father in half. The reason i asked you for his name is because he also slashed a hole in superman chest.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Four punches? He took more than four punches from Doomsday and he was stronger than Superman. Much stronger.Zod's powered by red sun radiation. I'm sure if Supes fired at him his beams would go straight through Zod.
Your not getting my point, my point is that superman isnt invulnerable, he can just take a lot of punishment. When have you seen juggernaut, get a hole cut in his chest, when have you seen juggernaut jaw become broken, when have you seen juggernaut bleed out of the mouth and nose, never, because he invulnerable (not the current juggernaut).
when have you even see gladiator bleed out of the mouth or the nose, when have you even see gladiator bleed. When have anything on gladiator ever been broken.
No lets not even use them, lets use cannonball, if you have read anything on cannonball, when have you ever see him bleed from anywhere, when in flight. The only time harm ever came to cannonball was by fury and the reason why that happened was because he was magic base, my bad spiral also hurt him thru his forcefield because she shot him with a magical beam, that she stated she brought for him.
Yeah, Swank. 4. You heard me.
Lol I'm just messing with ya, I'm saying it's like you punching yourself in the face a couple of times full-force--you'd either be KO or really hurtin'
Ok for Supes he'd be throwing about 50 punches--but it would look like 4 to Sam. That better?
You're right about Zod too. Plus, Supes was all puffy and bleeding because he and Zod were equal strength, more or less. I like that Zod better than "Old man" Zod that's around now.
Originally posted by derrick24
i dont consider superman invulnerable, not the current superman, he can just take a lot of punishment.
Can someone tell me the name of a superman villian that has 4 claws on each hands and he have cables coming out of his back, he was in the comic when superman was fighting zod, he was the one that ripped superman father in half. The reason i asked you for his name is because he also slashed a hole in superman chest.
Originally posted by derrick24
k3vil you must like superman a lot, you actually think superman is stronger and faster, tougher, has more power, and has better fighting style than fury. You love superman a lot. To be honest i think fury and destroyer are on the same level of power. superman cannot beat fury and he cant beat cannonball.
Originally posted by derrick24
dr doom youre great and you know your comics. K3vil dont know that fury was based off of killing superhumans, which that is what superman is and he dont know that cannonball can absorb anything superman can dish out, he is sticking to the fact that superman is superman and dont want to see the truth. That no one has broke thru cannonball force field unless they had some magic involved or cannonball got cocky. Superman knows nothing of cannonball and that would be his down fall.
Originally posted by DrDoom
Yeah, Swank. 4. You heard me.Lol I'm just messing with ya, I'm saying it's like you punching yourself in the face a couple of times full-force--you'd either be KO or really hurtin'
Ok for Supes he'd be throwing about 50 punches--but it would look like 4 to Sam. That better?
You're right about Zod too. Plus, Supes was all puffy and bleeding because he and Zod were equal strength, more or less. I like that Zod better than "Old man" Zod that's around now.
hulk and juggernaut are about at the same strength but not a drop of blood came out of juggernaut mouth (some did come out of hulks though).
Just because you don't consider something true, doesn't make it any less truthful. If we went by that logic, the earth would be flat and the moon would be cheese.
I see where you are going with this, and more than likely CB would be immune to anything Superman throws at him.
But, you give CB all the one side bias.
I.E He get his shield before the match.
If it weren't for allowing him the shield pre-fight, superman would just blitz him.
And don't pull that "show me a pic and book # where Superman blitz's someone" argument, because you know he can and everyone else does.
I couldn't pull up a scan where it says Hulk's strength is limitless, but because its common knowledge, I shouldn't need to.
Originally posted by derrick24
i dont consider superman invulnerable, not the current superman, he can just take a lot of punishment.
Can someone tell me the name of a superman villian that has 4 claws on each hands and he have cables coming out of his back, he was in the comic when superman was fighting zod, he was the one that ripped superman father in half. The reason i asked you for his name is because he also slashed a hole in superman chest.
Equus. AKA "Don't call me Logan". I'm guessing those blades he had were Promethium. Supes did heal pretty fast from the cut though, like 25 seconds or less.
Superman isn't invulnerable--he has his limits, but so does everyone. Even Celestials get rocked from time to time, and Dday got flash fried by Galact-er Imperiex.
His skin is much denser than a human, add to that the thin forcefield around his body that repels everything except magic, K, and massive amounts of energy and he's pretty much invulnerable.
I mean, CB says he's nigh-invulnerable when blasting but some heroes just say they are straight up invulnerable, guess it just depends.
Noone is truly invulnerable though...
Originally posted by K3VIL
Resistance to Injuries and Invulnerability are practically the same thing, Supes is not totally invulnerable, to overwhelm his invulnerability, composed of a skin like force field and body denser than normal humans are required attacks of a great magnitude or kryptonite or red sun radiations.Fury and Asgardian Destroyer on the same level?You seriously need to buy some Thor issues, Asgardian Destroyer is something able to stay FIST TO FIST with Desak the God Slayer.
Fury was having troubles with Cannonball and Bishop, that outsmarted him, Sage was able to hit him in the chest, this guy is having problems with superpowered beings that are not in Superman's league.
Superman's strenght and resistance can counter anything the Fury can dish out, meanwhile freezing breath and heat vision will put the Fury at 50% of his max level and then Superman can throw him in the Sun, where he can't regenerate, he'll be disintegrated.
Nothing prevent Supes from doing this, if Cannonball can speeblitz the Fury, Superman that can achieve 2% of ligthspeed certainly can.
I'm not a Superman fan, I like him, but not that much.I've stated that when he's putted against certainly enemies he's obviously doomed.Superman knows nothing of Cannoball, Cannonball knows nothing of Superman, he faced Gladiator once, and he just got a lucky shot.
Superman can speedblitz Sam, use his freeze breath, throw Sam in the outerspace, what about this?
The throw into space trick is still a way to win the fight, and Sam's reflexes are not in Superman's league, so he's not gonna winning this.
Superman is not a poor idiot, he's very intelligent, he doesn't always go into slugfest mode, the 1st fight with Doomsday learn to him that punches are not the only way to win a fight.
k3vil you seem like a smart guy answer this for me; do you know what kinetic energy is, lets put it like this, sam can absorb anything with motion, including superman trying to throw him out of space. sam has 3 options while superman is grabbing him and he better do it fast
1. expand his force field so that superman could lose his grip
2. absorb the grapple and punch superman in the head
3. he loves this trick, he can just exploid, knocking superman off of him, that explosion might hurt superman.
Another thing how can you throw someone in space that can control there flight, i can understand your saying throwing a ground base person in space but someone who can fly, doesnt make sense.
Another thing why would cannonball need to know anything about superman when he already knows that he can absorb punishment. Cannonball didnt know anything about fury and he charged him head on.
And you need to read more on fury because you know nothing about a being that was created to kill superhumans and who is doomsday superior.
Originally posted by long pig
Just because you don't consider something true, doesn't make it any less truthful. If we went by that logic, the earth would be flat and the moon would be cheese.I see where you are going with this, and more than likely CB would be immune to anything Superman throws at him.
But, you give CB all the one side bias.I.E He get his shield before the match.
If it weren't for allowing him the shield pre-fight, superman would just blitz him.And don't pull that "show me a pic and book # where Superman blitz's someone" argument, because you know he can and everyone else does.
I couldn't pull up a scan where it says Hulk's strength is limitless, but because its common knowledge, I shouldn't need to.
whats up long pig good to see ya. Your right if cannonball dont come in the battle flying he loses. why would he come in flying if he knows that he is about to battle someone. let me hear your come back.
Originally posted by DrDoom
Equus. AKA "Don't call me Logan". I'm guessing those blades he had were Promethium. Supes did heal pretty fast from the cut though, like 25 seconds or less.Superman isn't invulnerable--he has his limits, but so does everyone. Even Celestials get rocked from time to time, and Dday got flash fried by Galact-er Imperiex.
His skin is much denser than a human, add to that the thin forcefield around his body that repels everything except magic, K, and massive amounts of energy and he's pretty much invulnerable.I mean, CB says he's nigh-invulnerable when blasting but some heroes just say they are straight up invulnerable, guess it just depends.
Noone is truly invulnerable though...
good argument again dr doom.
Originally posted by derrick24
whats up long pig good to see ya. Your right if cannonball dont come in the battle flying he loses. why would he come in flying if he knows that he is about to battle someone. let me hear your come back.
He wouldn't be able to react in time enough to put his shield up.
You're making this fight something like a boxing match, instead of a chance incounter.
I happen to think chance encounters are better.
You're allowing CB limited prep, but prep nonetheless.
Preptime usually means they are outclassed physically, just like CB is to Superman.
Originally posted by derrick24
k3vil you seem like a smart guy answer this for me; do you know what kinetic energy is, lets put it like this, sam can absorb anything with motion, including superman trying to throw him out of space. sam has 3 options while superman is grabbing him and he better do it fast1. expand his force field so that superman could lose his grip
2. absorb the grapple and punch superman in the head
3. he loves this trick, he can just exploid, knocking superman off of him, that explosion might hurt superman.Another thing how can you throw someone in space that can control there flight, i can understand your saying throwing a ground base person in space but someone who can fly, doesnt make sense.
Another thing why would cannonball need to know anything about superman when he already knows that he can absorb punishment. Cannonball didnt know anything about fury and he charged him head on.
And you need to read more on fury because you know nothing about a being that was created to kill superhumans and who is doomsday superior.
Also, The Fury is not above Doomsday.
This JLA Roster:
Superman
Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman
GL
Batman
Flash
Aquaman
Steel
Superboy
will take care of him if in a few.
i would like to ask this question and i want everyone to be honest; if you know you had to fight doomsday and you had a choice to choose which power you would have to take in battle which is nigh invunerable with super strength and superspeed (not going to use heat vision or ice breath, it wont work on doomsday) or would you chose, absorb kinetic energy and increase your strength, speed, can create a force field around your opponent to imprison them, and make explosions. which one would you pick.
Originally posted by derrick24
i would like to ask this question and i want everyone to be honest; if you know you had to fight doomsday and you had a choice to choose which power you would have to take in battle which is nigh invunerable with super strength and superspeed (not going to use heat vision or ice breath, it wont work on doomsday) or would you chose, absorb kinetic energy and increase your strength, speed, can create a force field around your opponent to imprison them, and make explosions. which one would you pick.
Originally posted by K3VIL
Fury and Asgardian Destroyer on the same level?You seriously need to buy some Thor issues, Asgardian Destroyer is something able to stay FIST TO FIST with Desak the God Slayer.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with K on this one.
Fury was having troubles with Cannonball and Bishop, that outsmarted him, Sage was able to hit him in the chest, this guy is having problems with superpowered beings that are not in Superman's league.
Sage and Bishop could form a plan to take Superman down. Sage, having merged with Fury knew how to beat it (the plan wouldn't have worked if Fury was written properly). CB, Marvel Girl, and Storm--along with Bishop and Sage strategizing could take Superman down--if they had info on him (which they would using Rachel's telepathy).
Superman's strenght and resistance can counter anything the Fury can dish out, meanwhile freezing breath and heat vision will put the Fury at 50% of his max level and then Superman can throw him in the Sun, where he can't regenerate, he'll be disintegrated.
I'm betting Fury would get free unless Superman flew it there personally, and even then it might get free while he's flying it there. Heat vision will only slow Fury down for a sec, then it will become tough enough to withstand even it's full intensity. Also, how can freezing Fury put it at 50% strength? Even a combo of the two wouldn't do jack. Seriously, Superman would get worked.
Nothing prevent Supes from doing this, if Cannonball can speeblitz the Fury, Superman that can achieve 2% of ligthspeed certainly can.
Fury raining down sonics on Superman's supersensitive ears can.
Superman knows nothing of Cannoball, Cannonball knows nothing of Superman, he faced Gladiator once, and he just got a lucky shot.
Superman can speedblitz Sam, use his freeze breath, throw Sam in the outerspace, what about this?
The throw into space trick is still a way to win the fight, and Sam's reflexes are not in Superman's league, so he's not gonna winning this.
Superman is not a poor idiot, he's very intelligent, he doesn't always go into slugfest mode, the 1st fight with Doomsday learn to him that punches are not the only way to win a fight.
His freeze breath won't work. Sam has been frozen to absolute zero, and it didn't affect him. If Superman tries to grab him, Sam will just increase the size of his blast field and Superman won't be able to get a hold of him.
The throw in space won't work, for reasons I've shown above. Yes, Supes doesn't always rely on strength--but he does like 89% of the time. His heat vision won't hurt Sam, Arctic breath won't touch him, I suppose he could fry Sam's "boys" with his X-Ray vision but that's about it when it comes to his other powers. He's stuck with his strength--but how can he use it when he can't touch Sam? And if he hits the field he's basically punching himself.
Unless he tires him out, Supes loses.