Originally posted by Mider
TOAA was shown in Thanos The End and how do you know it took Him a day to create the multiverse it could very well have taken Him a while while The Presance is so powerful He just tells Archangel Micheal and Lucifer to do it for Him while He sits back and i have seen LT's limits first hand His powers seem to only slightly exceed Eternity's thats all.
Originally posted by Mider
Thanos was TOAA whatever TOAA could Thanos and thus you can judge TOAA's powers by what Thanos could do.
Like he was LT, he was eternity he was all
He was all of God's creation not god himself.
And Thanos with HOTU can do what he wants.
Originally posted by Mider
He was TOAA and anyway Thanos could not do whatever He wanted He could not fix armegedon and He could not servived recreating the mutliverse and fixing it.
"He could not fix armegedon and He could not servived recreating the mutliverse and fixing it."
He recreated Creation (multiverse) with a though) he can do what he likes
Originally posted by kgkg
It proves Lucifer can be mind controlled by god's creation.
Have, say, Warlock w/HOTU heavily damaged and down to 20% of his power. Then let him face Fenris and lets see if he can resist his mind control.
Originally posted by kgkg
-It's said that he can't exist his universe ( domain he rules)
- He has created soul , etc but he couldn't bring someone back to life because he had no power over it. ( not saying he can't bring people to life he can but he has failed before)
- His own power has been used against him
Err... Corrections:
- He can exist in his own multiverse. Why cant he exist in his own turf? He can go in and out of it as much as he wants.
- If a person/being is killed by Lucifer, he can bring it back to life. He cant bring it back if its not killed by him.
- His power was used against him due to sheer numbers and heaps of planning and effort. The Basanos was helped by Susano-O. So basically it was 73 against 1, since The Basanos is a deck of tarot cards and each card houses a powerful being, there are 72 cards in total. Plus they were helped by the strongest God of the Japanese pantheon. But even with that, they still needed prep to defeat Lucifer. And yeah, they suceeded, but do you guys know what happened when Lucifer came back for revenge?
Originally posted by Sentry
He won't fall for any of the same tricks he would use against omnipotent beings. Take a look at his enemies he battles normally without the IG. Man-Beast, Goddess, The Magus, Thanos, Eterntiy... Beyonder put it into words of how Warlock would be portrayed if Marvel went the religious route:Warlock with THOTU has expelled good and evil from his body, and will not be convinced by anyone to give up that power. He would not fall for the same tricks he uses. Warlock is sort of the messiah of the Marvel Universe, for their was at least 3 times he along with a few other Marvel Powerhouses saved the Marvel Universe from destruction, with him being the vanguard. He's very underestimated in Marvel.
I still fail to see the point here. He battled poweful beings, yes, he also saved the Marvel Universe, yes. But then again when Lucifer tries to trick Warlock there would be no fighting here, theyre simply just gonna talk. So I dont know what would battling Man-Beast, Goddess, etc has something to do with this.
And its not like Lucifer will convince him to become evil. He would just talk to him, make him an offer(a tricky offer), thats all. So Warlock expelling good and evil outside his body is irrelevant either.
Umm yeah TOAA does have equals cause if He had no equals He would rule DCU too but He dont. Damn Marvel fanboys now you think that Marvel has jurisdiction over DC. Thanos WAS TOAA how many times to i have to explain it to you i mean i made it pretty clear why He was TOAA why TOAA is not like totally unstoppable why TOAA can die.
Originally posted by Mider
Umm yeah TOAA does have equals cause if He had no equals He would rule DCU too but He dont. Damn Marvel fanboys now you think that Marvel has jurisdiction over DC. Thanos WAS TOAA how many times to i have to explain it to you i mean i made it pretty clear why He was TOAA why TOAA is not like totally unstoppable why TOAA can die.
Calm down.
TOAA is not in the DC Universe. TOAA has no equal, hence, his name.
Thanos with the Heart of the Universe was not TOAA.
TOAA is totally unstoppable, and he can not die.
Stop calling people fanboys.
Originally posted by Mider
Im so sure that TOAA was gonna just let Thanos destroy the universe you guys think so inteligantly oh look Thanos is destroying my mutliverse ill just sit back and watch cartoons lalalalal.
TOAA does not intervene. The multiverse wasn't destroyed, was it?
Originally posted by Synchro
I still fail to see the point here. He battled poweful beings, yes, he also saved the Marvel Universe, yes. But then again when Lucifer tries to trick Warlock there would be no fighting here, theyre simply just gonna talk. So I dont know what would battling Man-Beast, Goddess, etc has something to do with this.And its not like Lucifer will convince him to become evil. He would just talk to him, make him an offer(a tricky offer), thats all. So Warlock expelling good and evil outside his body is irrelevant either.
Irrelevant? He could probably make Warlock an offer... But why would he take it. He has no lust for power, no greed, etc... Good and Evil expelled from his soul, what could he possibly want? He lives outside the Multi-Verse, and does not intervene until balanced is disturbed. Warlock and Lucifer will talk, and offers will be made, by both parties. Warlock could very well accept offers from Lucifer to step aside, or hand over the power of THOTU, etc... but odds of that are slim to none. Lucifer's a genius and is probably the most intelligent being in the universe, but bribing someone with no emotions, no desire for anything but balance is ludicrous... In theory. My theory only, to each their own. Very interesting theory Synchro. Good points. Good to hear opinions from both sides.
lt is not second to TOAA, he max hes done in the marvel multiverse is destroy two or three universes simultaneously, THAS IT, THOTU does NOT give u the power of TOAA, no, it only gives u the power of ONE single multiverse, it has no power over the beyond realm, or ANYTHIN OUTSIDE THE MULTIVERSE, that power was enough to destroy and recreate the multiverse and anything in it, NOT THE BEYOND REALM, lucifer i might remind u has 50% of the power AT ANY given time to creat a multiverse from scratch including all the abstaracts and concepts, AND THAT IS WITHOUT EVEN SLIGHTLY gettin weaker or burning up his power, he can create anothermultiverse right after that one and another one right after that one, and so on, EVEN WHEN HE IS INSIDE THE MULTIVERSE, he is still beyond its laws and isnt a part of the multiverse, THOTU has power enough to create ONE SINGLE MULTIVERSE, and it CANNOT create another one simultaneously, hell it even has to destroy THAT ONE SINGLE multiverse to create another one, lucifer IS NOT bound by that limitation, and actully he CAN CREAT A WHOLE MULTIVERSE WITHOUT MICHEALS HELP, just by killing himself, which will cause the demiurgic explosion and destroy or create
another multiverse, he can then just bring himself back to life just by willing it as death{the endless} has no power over him{n this death is not like marvel's death, it is at omniversal level,}, so that AFECTIVELY puts lucifer above THOTU, i explained this before too, and as far as that thing with fenris goes, that was fenris taking ADVANTAGE of lucifer, fenris is not more powerful than lucifer, he just exploited certain things to take over lucifer, {kinda like galactus was taken advantage of by surfer when he was not payin attention and was defeated}, fenris doesnt have as much power as lucifer, bu he used his cunning, and let me also remind people that the guns given to saint of killers were a creation of god, HELL THEY WERE GIVEN TO HIM BY GOD, BUT he used those same guns to KILL GOD, so that creation of god argument agaisnt lucifer is pretty weak, and lucifer has goten the best of GOD many times, by usin his intelligence.