Lucifer Morningstar runs the Gauntlet...

Actually, if Marvel said so, wouldn't it make that a good bit of fact? The Presence created Lucifer and Michael, they created everything else. Though if you really want to speculate, how do you know the Presence didn't create the Multiverses of DC because he couldn't do it himself? Because he needed to make 2 beings that were less than him alone, but greater combined? (I don't really think that... But you see how lots of things can kinda be twisted to make one seem better than the other?)

And since no one is credited with exactly "creating" the Marvel multiverse and all the rest, it's assumed that TOAA did it, it being the head honcho and all that.

I dont know about all that its stated that The Presence is more powerful then both The Archangels combined, and Him giving someone else power that He doesnt have doesnt make sense.

Originally posted by Mider
I dont know about all that its stated that The Presence is more powerful then both The Archangels combined, and Him giving someone else power that He doesnt have doesnt make sense.

I can make a weapon that's more powerful than I am. Man made the gun, and the nuclear bomb. It makes perfect sense. 😄

Originally posted by kevdude
so leon Michael has his own Multiverse along with Lucifer and Yahweh having there own as well?? if that is true could the Marvel Multiverse be Michaels Multiverse (since noboby knows who the TOAA is)??

No. Michael doesnt have his own Multiverse. There is The Presence's Multiverse, and there is Lucifer's Multiverse, thats it. Both of which were created by Lucifer and Michael. Elaine also created her own place, although it was only a universe.

So yeah, Michael doesnt have one. He doesnt bother with that kind of stuff. The only thing important to him is serving The Presence, nothing else.

Im curious where leonheartmm got this idea.

ok this is a question i asked right after they for some reason moved What is The Source to the movie part, synchro since u know a lot about DC/Vergito comics, so how do they show TGEB being here before The Presence?? I am wondering how something can ever be here before God! and why did God let TGEB in Heaven??

Its diffrent you can make something like a gun but you have to use machinary and stuff and tools you cant just make a gun out of thin air out of your own power The Presance and TOAA and entities of cosmic power can use cosmic force to create such things or do almost anything they want unlike us humans who have to use resources that were placed here that are limited if we could some how create things with powers or something thatn it would be diffrent.

Originally posted by Mider
Its diffrent you can make something like a gun but you have to use machinary and stuff and tools you cant just make a gun out of thin air out of your own power The Presance and TOAA and entities of cosmic power can use cosmic force to create such things or do almost anything they want unlike us humans who have to use resources that were placed here that are limited if we could some how create things with powers or something thatn it would be diffrent.

I can make machines that make guns. 😄

youd still have to use resources and tools to do that.

see the resource the cosmics use is the power inside themselves and thus i dont think they can excede there own power but i may be wrong if they use latent cosmic power.

I know. Just joking with you.

Originally posted by Mider
see the resource the cosmics use is the power inside themselves and thus i dont think they can excede there own power but i may be wrong if they use latent cosmic power.

Anything that exists would had to have been created directly or indirectly by the Presence.

Originally posted by kevdude
ok this is a question i asked right after they for some reason moved What is The Source to the movie part, synchro since u know a lot about DC/Vergito comics, so how do they show TGEB being here before The Presence?? I am wondering how something can ever be here before God! and why did God let TGEB in Heaven??

Ive already explained this on another thread(where we had one of our dicussions). Its troublesome to repeat it again. All I have to say is just read Spectre vol. 3(I dont know the exact issue, sorry, but its there) and your'll understand. And besides, its common knowledge that TGEB existed before The Presence and is also his equal. Ask around.

Just remember kevdude, this is only comics. So what if something existed before God? Jean Grey is a human being and she can telekenetically lift objects.

Dont get so worked up over it.

Originally posted by Synchro
Ive already explained this on another thread(where we had one of our dicussions). Its troublesome to repeat it again. All I have to say is just read Spectre vol. 3(I dont know the exact issue, sorry, but its there) and your'll understand. And besides, its common knowledge that TGEB existed before The Presence and is also his equal. Ask around.

Just remember kevdude, this is only comics. So what if something existed before God? Jean Grey is a human being and she can telekenetically lift objects.

Dont get so worked up over it.

The Presence didn't create everything in existance?

Dont worry Cosmic Cube TOAA didnt create everything in existance either neither of them did They just created everything in there multiverses but if you know about other comics......there are other multiverses CrossGen comics has Its own multiverse.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The Presence didn't create everything in existance?

Yup.

In the beginning, there was The Presence. Then he created the Archangels Michael and Samael(Lucifer). The Presence then bestowed the Demiurgic Energy to Michael. Shortly afterwards, Michael and Lucifer created the multiverse.

But then again, just because The Presence didnt create the multiverse doesnt mean he cant. He did create the 2 beings that created the multiverse after all.

No. Michael doesnt have his own Multiverse. There is The Presence's Multiverse, and there is Lucifer's Multiverse, thats it. Both of which were created by Lucifer and Michael. Elaine also created her own place, although it was only a universe.

So yeah, Michael doesnt have one. He doesnt bother with that kind of stuff. The only thing important to him is serving The Presence, nothing else.

Im curious where leonheartmm got this idea.

no what i meant was that there was one multiverse created entirely by micheal with his death and the destruction of the older multiverse, this one was not created by lucifer's power, but micheal does not RULE this multiverse, he merely single handedly created it, thas why i refer to it as micheal;s multiverse.

Anything that exists would had to have been created directly or indirectly by the Presence.

that is true, other than the greatbeast every thing is directly or indirectly created by the presence, but GOD that created micheal and lucifer is only a small aspect of the presence, and micheal is not more powerful as the presence but hedefeats the presence's schemes by his intelligence more than his powers{he even tricked and destroyed the plans of the presence and god even as a human} and it is possible that his level of dastardly wit is greated than the intelligence of the presence.

i dont ever remember u explaining how TGEB was here before The Presence, i am sure if you explained it I would have remembered it. could u explain it?

also this GOD that is a small part of The Presence, is this The Word leon that ppl talk about??? and it seems you got Michael and Lucifer mistaken where Michael is Lucifer should be rit???

i dont have to explain that, its common knowledge to any1 who reads hellblazer, its stated in hellblazer that the great beast was here before the presence and was actually the true first fallen, banished to non existance, now from HERE ONwards, there are a lot of different things one might believe about TGEB like he was a part of the presence ripped off, or he is merly a different entity

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i dont have to explain that, its common knowledge to any1 who reads hellblazer, its stated in hellblazer that the great beast was here before the presence and was actually the true first fallen, banished to non existance, now from HERE ONwards, there are a lot of different things one might believe about TGEB like he was a part of the presence ripped off, or he is merly a different entity

This is confusing. In Christian theology, the great and evil beast is Satan, and Lucifer, the son of the morning. He is the first of the fallen angels, created by God. Does DC's hierarchy coincide with Christian theology?

not completely. lucifer is there but the true first of the fallen is the great beast or the TRUE satan.