yeah i did and dont tell me to shut my mouth your not my mother thanks
i already gave you proof i shall list it again
the emperors lightning shot yoda's saber out of his hand should have done the same to mace
yoda himself stated that he could not defeat the emperor
palpatine stalemated yoda who defeated mace, and he was the master of dooku who is the only other person to beat mace
LUCAS himself stated that he put in the movie that palpatine would fake losing his power
even the novel stated that mace would not be able to hold that stance forever, he'd have eventually gotten zapped or the saber into his own face with or with out anakin's help
the only reason that highground was important with the anakin and kanobi fight is cause anakin's powers where not as great as yoda's or mace's or palpatine who could jump really really high as seen when yoda jumped who knows how high to get to the emperor before engaging in the battle of power with him absorbing and the emperor shooting lightning.
THERE IS YOUR PROOF.
Quit. Being. An. Ass.
Sidious was faking weakness after Mace kicked him in the face. All of the concrete evidence supports that Mace legitimately won the lightsaber portion of the duel. There's nothing that can refute it, so stop trying.
In the Force? Yes, I agree. Sidious is more powerful than Mace, and - despite from being in an inferior position and being nailed in the face with his own lightning - Mace was the only one who was being weak.
It was then, and then only, that Sidious decided to manipulate Anakin to help him.
Originally posted by Mider999palps didn't train tyrannus in lightsaber fights, he was a jedi and learned all that so why waste time
no interview it was a commentary on revenge of the sith DVD, yup he said here's where palpatine pretends to lose power, how funny that you ignore the fact that when yoda tried to block sidious lightning his saber got shout out of his hand, also the fact that sidious stalemated yoda and was the master of darth tyrannus the only two swordsmen who defeated mace windu in one on one combat, or sparring, you care to explain to me how a kick to the head makes palpatine lose the fight when obi wan, and qui gon, and anakin get kicked during battle and still manage to keep on fighting, also why didnt palpatine use his other lightsaber i do think he had more then one where did he get the one he used to fight yoda then.
Originally posted by Gideonpalps didn't decide to manipulate anakin right there, he knew he was going to manipulate him BEFORE anakin was discovered, thats the only reason obi-wan and anakin left the outbound flight project half way, because palps wanted them to stay alive, palps knew about the Yuuzhong Vhong coming before he became chanceler of the republic, thats one of the reasons he had the clone army made, everything that happenned in 1,2, and 3 was all planned,
Quit. Being. An. Ass.Sidious was faking weakness after Mace kicked him in the face. All of the [B]concrete
evidence supports that Mace legitimately won the lightsaber portion of the duel. There's nothing that can refute it, so stop trying.In the Force? Yes, I agree. Sidious is more powerful than Mace, and - despite from being in an inferior position and being nailed in the face with his own lightning - Mace was the only one who was being weak.
It was then, and then only, that Sidious decided to manipulate Anakin to help him. [/B]
im being an ass stop telling me what i know and what i dont, i wasnt speculationg in anything, and i know that dooku already knew how to fight my point is he was afraid of palpatine, and he was the only other person beside yoda who beat mace windu in sword battle, palps scared the other, and stalemated the other, thats all the proof i need, its pretty significant proof if you think of it.
Palpatine plannes everything, if he had lost on purpose that would be uncharacteristic of him, he can see the future, im sure he knew the jedi where comming, just like he knew that anakin was having those nightmares about his wife, perhaps he even gave he the nightmares. He suddenly loses from one kick to the head, i dont think so, not even kanobi who got kicked in the face a few times during his fight with anakin ever droped his saber, why would sidious who is a supiriour fighter, and none of you have proven that he didnt have a back up saber, he probably did less your saying he went all the way downstairs just to get it, and if he didnt ignite it during his supposide defeat he knew anakin would stop mace or he knew mace was no match for him.
There's not so much proof, more just logical deduction. Palpatine had for a while been placing mistrust in the jedi in Anakin's heart, having Mace standing over Palpatine with a lightsaber to his throat pretty much confirmed the lies that Palpatine had been feeding Anakin. There's also the fact that Palpatine clearly had a chance to finish Mace of early (his lightsaber stretched out against Mace's chest), and he didn't take it.
Actually, according to the novelization, Anakin had been there for a while. Sidious knew that Mace would not take him prisoner, but more importantly, that Anakin would not allow Mace to kill an unarmed prisoner. If he could pose as a weakling, and make Anakin think that he was right and Mace was doing the wrong thing, he would convert the Jedi with the highest potential in history, thus solidifying his reign. I do believe that Sidious was holding back, in order to tempt Anakin. However, there is a lack of evidence EITHER WAY.
PS- When Mace was fighting Sidious, he was having an incredibly difficult time until he sensed the shatterpoint... then he started winning against Sidious. However, the shatterpoint was not Sidious'. It was Anakin's. Anakin's shatterpoint would not have had an effect on the Mace/Sidious battle. Which meant that Sidious held back once Anakin was approaching.
I think there's plenty of proof to suggest that Palpatine was faking it Kadesh. Perhaps you should provide proof to the contrary.
The facts are:
1. Palpatine was dominating the entire fight; murdering 3 jedi masters in seconds, and Mace couldn't do a damn thing to prevent it, and putting Mace, an aggressive fighter on the defencive. He was clearly dominating the fight, it's kinda surprising that Mace was able to disarm him period, let alone just as Anakin entered the room. Coincidence? I think not. Remember, this is a universe where 'there is no such thing as luck or coincidences'. The timing was just too damn good to be true. The most likely explanation is that Palpatine had sensed Anakin coming (you know, the guy who he had been placing mistrust of the jedi into for a while now, and who he desperately wanted to turn to the darkside and become his apprentice), and knowing all about Mace's shatterpoint gift, had left an opening for Mace to disarm him like he did.
2. Palpatine was a master manipulator, probably the best ever and his foresight was incredible, it was not beyond Palpatine's intelligence and foresight to orchestrate such a thing. I mean he had been duping them for years.
3. We know that Palpatine faked being weak in the force, is it that far off to assume that he faked the lightsaber part too, especially considering how perfect the timing was. Also, need I remind you that Palpatine clearly had Mace at one point; his lightsaber was stretched out against his chest, yet he chose not to finish him off. To ignore this is pure fanboyism, that's visual proof that Palpatine was holding back against Mace.
No, I think the most logical conclusion to come up with is that Palpatine threw the fight. If anything, Palpatine may have possibly not anticipated getting disarmed like he did (even though there's strong evidence supporting that speculation), however I think it's pretty obvious Palpatine was going easy on him.
I must agree, especially with the point where he has the lightsaber to Mace's chest! Some say it's a part of Mace style, but I don't see how an offensive fighter would put himself in such position? Everyone's argument was that "Sidious had his arm stretched, he couldn't reach any longer than he did", but that is obviously wrong, since you can stretch your whole upper body forward, making you reach alot further, and much quicker than someone can bring a saber from their waist to their head!
The Planet, I personally agree with Sidious throwing the fight. I've argued it since before you got here. But, we have to rely on conclusive evidence rather than logical deduction in the absence of conclusive evidence.
Conclusive evidence from Lucas points to Mace winning, though I very much disagree.
Conclusive evidence shows that he won the fight. I believe the novel supports this by saying Mace overpowered Sidious, and his initial lightning attempt. Sidious throwing the fight is a great thought, however it goes against solid evidence.
As to the fight with Yoda, Sidious didn't even want to be a part of it, which is why he tried leaving, and then gained the upper advantage. The only thing that fight shows is that Sidious feared Yoda more than he did Mace, and that Sidious and Yoda were equal in the force.
Originally posted by Gideon
The Planet, I personally agree with Sidious throwing the fight. I've argued it since before you got here. But, we have to rely on conclusive evidence rather than logical deduction in the absence of conclusive evidence.Conclusive evidence from Lucas points to Mace winning, though I very much disagree.
I'm sorry Gideon, I don't know if people have ever told you this, but you are not an authority here, you are not a Lucasarts employee. You sometimes act as if you feel you are superior to others, and on a higher level in wisdom, and thus feel that you can dictate whenever someone's right or wrong. Do people have to come to you whenever they make an argument, and run it by you? In your eyes, yes. In reality, no. Remember Gideon, you're in my Kingdom, you're my humble slave, you don't dictate whether I'm right or wrong, it's the opposite. I'm a god to you, you run your arguments and ideas through me, you got that? KTHXBAI. 👆
Originally posted by The Planet
I'm sorry Gideon, I don't know if people have ever told you this, but you are [b]not an authority here, you are not a Lucasarts employee. You sometimes act as if you feel you are superior to others, and on a higher level in wisdom, and thus feel that you can dictate whenever someone's right or wrong. Do people have to come to you whenever they make an argument, and run it by you? In your eyes, yes. In reality, no. Remember Gideon, you're in my Kingdom, you're my humble slave, you don't dictate whether I'm right or wrong, it's the opposite. I'm a god to you, you run your arguments and ideas through me, you got that? KTHXBAI. 👆 [/B]
Lmao.
Logical deduction supports Sidious throwing the fight. However, the novelization, script, and Lucas himself make no mention of it. That said, "my Lord", lmao, conclusive evidence > logical deduction. Period. Conclusive evidence from two canon sources (the script and the novelization) says that Sidious lost the lightsaber duel legitimately.
Lucas states in the commentary that Mace overpowered him.
That'd be the third canon source disagreeing. 😉