Mace vs Palps

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Originally posted by Lightsnake
Dark Rendevous almost outright states Yoda is stronger and better...since when was Yoda getting weaker?

No, Mace does state in Dark Rendezvous that he's Yoda's inferior.

Originally posted by Count Kent
Well, his perception and grasp of the Force is amazing, as his shatterpoint technique as a youngling surpassed that of most Jedi Masters. Some examples:

- After being set up and captured, he's questioned by a man named Geptun: instantly, revealed in his mind are a dozen points on the man's body where a single blow would break him.
- A Corusca gem is described as being hard enough to withstand a full-on blow from a 5 kg hammer. Mace could shatter it with a gentle tap on its weak points, which are nigh impossible to find.
- When trying to rescue a group of children in an oven of a steamcrawler, he uses the Force to swiftly trace the network of cracks and fissures to a single weak point, and then brings an entire cliff down.
- He literally rides this like a wave, manipulating parts of its course to get to the sandcrawler.

His raw power is impressive as well:

- After he triggers a landslide, one of the kids in the vehicle shoot at him, disrupting his focus. The landslide is lost from his control, and begins to drag the steamcrawler into a volcano. On his back, Mace manages to grip and suspend - in the air - the entire landslide, which was said to consist of several hundred metric tons of rock, earth, and the ilk.
- In When They Were Brothers, he gets pissed off at Grievous, who'd just killed Adi Gallia, and slams him into the ground with a massive swoop.

And on a side note, when he was but fourteen and went to Hurikane to find the elements of his almost prophesized lightsaber, he was frightened by a band of natives, and hurled them into an abyss.

I'd have to say, however, that Mace's most impressive feats are in the ways he manipulates his physical self with the Force. There are far too many to list, but here're a couple.

- Against Kar Vastor, he launches himself with such speed and power that he and the shaman are suspended in the air for enough time to engage in a short, airborne brawl.
- In the same battle, he fires off six combination blows - two elbows, a pair of crosses, a knee to the midsection, and a palm to the face - before his enemy can blink.

If you want martial and dueling feats as well, I can provide some.

Rippin' off Faunus now, eh?

That was actually a great list of feats.

No, Mace does state in Dark Rendezvous that he's Yoda's inferior.

To be fair, IIRC, Palpatine says the opposite.

Originally posted by Razielim
To be fair, IIRC, Palpatine says the opposite.

To appeal to his ego. He calls Yoda a "teacher" and Mace a "warrior".

I am, in no way, willing to read nine pages, just popping in, but seeing as how Mace was struggling to hold back Sidious' lightning, and he couldn't stay like that forever, and later Sidious yells "Unlimited power!!!," and fried the Hell out of him, in my book, it's safe to say Sidious would win.

Sidious gets raped .

...If you can't fix it with a wrench, whack it with a hammer...

Sorry, but I really don't like you anymore.

Mace could own Sidious but Sidious held back because he was the key to Anakins turning to the dark side and sidious knew that Mace would come after him and tell Anakin to stay at the temple.

However when Mace didn't die like the other masters and began to win in the batlle, Sidious knew that mace was using a style that was too strong from him he began to strugle and was about to be killed but Anakin interupted, afterall Mace was only second in command of the jedi because Yoda was wiser and was strong with the force.

Sidious would be owned by mace because he used an inferior style and Sidious' main power, force lightning can be blocked by a lightsaber. Also sidious is a schemer, he planned his empire over many years and the only reson he has his power is from a kyber crystal. He is an equal to yoda in style and force power so its a stalemate and yoda knew that clone troopers would arrive soon so he escaped.

Mace would own Sidious, but Sidious held back . . . ?

Sidious is equal to Yoda, but Mace would own him . . . ?

o.0

Sidious could beat Mace. Mace was struggling to hold back the lightning, and probably couldn't do it for much longer. Sidious could shoot out lightning for longer than Mace could hold it off, and Mace would be overwhelmed. Unless you didn't notice how after Sidious pretended to be weak, he screamed "Unlimited power!!!" and fried Mace.

Originally posted by Darth Plagues

If Palpy wanted to truly kill Mace Windu he would have done it right at this part of the movie.

Palpy then lunged forward with the saber and mace skillfully parried the move. After that u could clearly see palps struggling. The whole duel was poorly shot

Lucas said himself that Mace overpowered Palps, and the whole" Mace is key to Anakin turning dark" think is inane for reasons already mentioned by others.

Please, anything els could and would've turned Anakin? Yes, Anakin would've been HAPPY to help Palp if he saw him over four corpses...

There's nothing wrong with losing to Mace Windu. He's the second strongest Jedi of that time and even one of the strongest Jedi ever.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Please, anything els could and would've turned Anakin? Yes, Anakin would've been HAPPY to help Palp if he saw him over four corpses...

By that logic, 3 corpses would do just fine. It's sci-fi. Common sense doesn't ALWAYS apply in movies. I think that's what alot of people around here forget. Can't always make sense out of everything.

i was wondering if the commentary in ROTS tells us whether Sidious deliberatly threw the fight or not.

you guys always ignore the fact that sidious is equal to yoda in fighting and force powers, and mace admits he's not as good as yoda, yet you go on saying oh yeah mace would win, i dont see how thats possible, i mean then there's that argument how sidious saber technique was not as good but we know he is trained in all forms, and can probably do what yoda does and power up his body making him super fast and strong even though he's so old. Mace is not as strong or stronger then sidious, he cant hold off lightning like yoda, how funny that sidious was losing to mace yet was laughing his head off fighting yoda who is better then windu, also tyrannus is afraid of sidious and is basically his second in command and puppet, yet he's one of the only guys who's ever beaten mace windu in a sword fight. Its been stated that during the battle with anakin vs dooku, dooku wasnt afraid cause he thought if he'd lose sidious would stop anakin.......didnt happen.

I think Mace would have killed Sidious if Anakin hadn't interfered, however if the setting was in the Senate Chamber where Yoda and Sids fought Mace might have been overwhelmed.

that aint a good explenation, yoda blocked the force attacks, if mace is as powerful as palpatine why cant he do the same, even lucas already said on dvd that palpatine probably threw the fight.

sidious>mace in force powers, mace>sidious in saber abilities...and really that's probably only because he didn't have the means and freedom of time to practice his dueling skills over the past 13 years. However, he did force Mace into a defensive position and to back up, so overall, Sidious would take mace, imo.