Originally posted by illadelph12
I'd have to take "full potential" Iceman in this fight. Supes innards ARE vulnerable. The simple fact that his body metabolizes oxygen and he can drink water and eat and metabolize food show that, and to my knowledge Supes has no healing factor. If he were to inhale Iceman, Iceman could just become one with Supes natural body fluids and freeze them internally. He could freeze the blood inside Supes heart as it pumped and there'd be nothing Kal El could do.
Wait shut up Superman can swallow acid with out being hurt heal the instant a kryptonite sword is pulled from his chest but you obviously got that wrong he has a healing factor that just outclasses Wolverines.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
dude did you just only read like the first three pages? itsnt that were that post was on like the third page????????
No I read the hole cotton pickin thing and this is so obvious fanboism or whatever it is called where you keep trying to say your boyfriend Iceman or Bobby would win.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Internal cells don't work any different from external cells (outside of their dedicated bodily functions of course.)It's a safe bet to say that if his external cells are unaffected by cold, freezing any liquids, or the slowing of molecules..the same will apply to his internal systems.
True, if the temperature outside his cells changes, Supes can pretty much resist it to any degree. However, what happens when the temperature INSIDE the cells drop? Iceman is not making it really really cold around Superman, he is making the very molecules that make up Superman really really really cold. There's a subtle difference. The bio aura would protect him from one of them, but not the other. Superman's molecules have been manipulated before. Bobby has hitched rides on people before. He is transferring his consciousness, which he has done many times before. You'd need a very powerful telepath to block something like that, and Supes isn't exactly Professor X. Iceman spreads his consciousness throughout Superman's entire body and flash freezes him from the inside out. Superman is not encased in ice, Superman IS ice- blood, spinal fluid, ALL of his cytoplasm, etc, all frozen solid. His brain can't function, he cannot think, he cannot move. It is an instant kill, and takes all of a fraction of a second to pull of. Clark has NO chance in this fight.
Did Cythona actually show the power to manipulate fluids or control temperatures anywhere near as well as Bobby can? I don't remember her ice powers really being anywhere near as powerful as Bobby's are...
Iceman 10/10.
Iceman would win,
Superman may be stronger, faster and a hell of a lot more powerful, but he cant he cant stop his own insides from being frozen.
If he had time, maybe he could stop it, but Iceman could freeze him in an instant. Superman could only truly defeat Iceman if he somehow managed to obliterate every source of H2O on the planet.....not gonna happen....
Victory, thy name be Bobby!
Originally posted by Dizzle
True, if the temperature outside his cells changes, Supes can pretty much resist it to any degree. However, what happens when the temperature INSIDE the cells drop? Iceman is not making it really really cold around Superman, he is making the very molecules that make up Superman really really really cold. There's a subtle difference. The bio aura would protect him from one of them, but not the other. Superman's molecules have been manipulated before. Bobby has hitched rides on people before. He is transferring his consciousness, which he has done many times before. You'd need a very powerful telepath to block something like that, and Supes isn't exactly Professor X. Iceman spreads his consciousness throughout Superman's entire body and flash freezes him from the inside out. Superman is not encased in ice, Superman IS ice- blood, spinal fluid, ALL of his cytoplasm, etc, all frozen solid. His brain can't function, he cannot think, he cannot move. It is an instant kill, and takes all of a fraction of a second to pull of. Clark has NO chance in this fight.Did Cythona actually show the power to manipulate fluids or control temperatures anywhere near as well as Bobby can? I don't remember her ice powers really being anywhere near as powerful as Bobby's are...
Iceman 10/10.
Skin is the biggest organ in the human body. All organs are made up of cells, and outside of specialized functions, work exactly the same. Basically, if you can't freeze one set of cells (that use the same regulatory systems that the "inside cells" use then its fairly useless to try and manipulate the others.
As for Cythonna, she's an ice goddess, implying that she used magic as well, which should have been even worse for Supes. He resisted that. Bobbys attack would be fairly useless against supes.
a post I made in another thread:
when I mean tactical advantage, is that he can go from water vapor, to water, to ice in which way he wants....as as shown by in X-men Forever when the sentinals couldnt detect iceman when in mist form, Iceman turns to mist and not even Superman would be able to tell the difference between water vapor and....water vapor....on versitility of just one power I still give it to Iceman, he can do more with his one power, but Supes has more powers overall....the one arguement that was used most on superman in that debate was that his internal organs would be vulnarable to icemans moisture stealing attacks because 1) he breathes, he could eat and if those things passed through his biomatrix field than so could water vapor (mouisture is in the air naturally anyways so all Bobby has to do is extract it all)
plus the only true thing that Superman could do to Iceman other than whats stated above (what he normally does) is his heat vision.....now while one part of it is heating him up, iceman turns into water vapor in the process....and now im sure someones gonna say that supes could just grap hold of iceman and drag him into space, but the moment they go through a cloud, or just when iceman wants to really, he turns into water vapor.....or he just inhibits supermans body....
Originally posted by Blair Wind
a post I made in another thread:when I mean tactical advantage, is that he can go from water vapor, to water, to ice in which way he wants....as as shown by in X-men Forever when the sentinals couldnt detect iceman when in mist form, Iceman turns to mist and not even Superman would be able to tell the difference between water vapor and....water vapor....on versitility of just one power I still give it to Iceman, he can do more with his one power, but Supes has more powers overall....the one arguement that was used most on superman in that debate was that his internal organs would be vulnarable to icemans moisture stealing attacks because 1) he breathes, he could eat and if those things passed through his biomatrix field than so could water vapor (mouisture is in the air naturally anyways so all Bobby has to do is extract it all)
plus the only true thing that Superman could do to Iceman other than whats stated above (what he normally does) is his heat vision.....now while one part of it is heating him up, iceman turns into water vapor in the process....and now im sure someones gonna say that supes could just grap hold of iceman and drag him into space, but the moment they go through a cloud, or just when iceman wants to really, he turns into water vapor.....or he just inhibits supermans body....
If Supes can see "Souls" now, it should be easy for him to spot bobby's consciousness in the "water vapor" or whatever form he inhabits.
"Invulnerable" is "invulnerable". No kryptonite, Magic, or planet destroying strength? Iceman won't really be able to do anything.