Originally posted by illadelph12
Wait, is this going to turn into another one of those "But it's Superman" threads regardless of how logical the argument against him is?Av, do you have any proof to substantiate that Supes would be able to see Bobby though he couldn't see Henshaw with their abilities being identical essentially (both being beings that inhabit substances and form physical manifestations, Bobby being ice and Henshaw being machines)? How do you know a GL Ring could detect Bobby in that form either?
How do you know that it couldn't Illa?
Has Bobby's consciousness escaped a black hole before? Would Bobby be able to freeze and take over the source wall?
Has Bobby transmuted matter completely?
I beg to differ that Bobby and Henshaw are the same, although they have some similarities.
Also, the whole argument for Bobby holds no weight considering Superman has been just fine inside black holes before...where time, space, and mass all stop.
Bobby isn't matching that.
Is there any proof of Bobby ever showing any of the stuff that's been mentioned on this thread to the extremes claimed?
Originally posted by batdude123
You mean shit like transferring his consciousness inside a person's body? Not that I know of.
Yup, there is nothing to differentiate Bobby's consciousness from Connor. At least from a viewable standpoint.
Either way...the point was moot considering it took place lonnnng before that ability manifested.
Originally posted by batdude123
Superman creates a vibrational counter-frequency and BFR's Bobby to another dimension.http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adventuresofsuperman617fi2.jpg
🙂
PS: I haven't seen any counter-arguments for this, other than what amounts to "but Bobby will dehydrate Superman before he does that!!!" 😆
I'm just screwing around with my quote unquote 'arguments.'
We have no idea what a 'full potential' Bobby is, or is capable of. Technically he's supposed to have unlimited potential - making escaping the source wall or escaping black holes trivial in this form.
This is a thread that has no real answer, because the character in it doesn't really exist. Who knows what he COULD be capable of?
Meh.
Originally posted by Soljer
I'm just screwing around with my quote unquote 'arguments.'We have no idea what a 'full potential' Bobby is, or is capable of. Technically he's supposed to have unlimited potential - making escaping the source wall or escaping black holes trivial in this form.
This is a thread that has no real answer, because the character in it doesn't really exist. Who knows what he COULD be capable of?
Meh.
Originally posted by Soljer
I'm just screwing around with my quote unquote 'arguments.'We have no idea what a 'full potential' Bobby is, or is capable of. Technically he's supposed to have unlimited potential - making escaping the source wall or escaping black holes trivial in this form.
This is a thread that has no real answer, because the character in it doesn't really exist. Who knows what he COULD be capable of?
Meh.
Good point, it's like full potential Superman. He might be way beyond Prime.
Originally posted by batdude123
PS: I haven't seen any counter-arguments for this, other than what amounts to "but Bobby will dehydrate Superman before he does that!!!" 😆
Simple argument; at full potential, Iceman can occupy every droplet of water across the entire omniverse. No BFR for that. 😬.
See? What the HELL does 'full potential' mean?
There's scans of him removing the moisture from an opponent's body, transfering his consciousness into numerous bodies of water, and ceasing the motion of energy.
As for escaping a black hole, no, not that I'm aware of.
Transmuting matter. Bobby is a moisture wraith, not a carbon/machine wraith like Henshaw. They inhabit different materials, so of course Bobby isn't going to be able to perform all of the feats Henshaw has, they use different materials.
However, you and the others are completely disregarding Bobby's showing against The Stranger and his on panel feats of freezing energy solid. A black hole does not work exactly like...
I'm about to get off from work. I'll finish this point at home.
Peace.
Originally posted by illadelph12
There's scans of him removing the moisture from an opponent's body, transfering his consciousness into numerous bodies of water, and ceasing the motion of energy.As for escaping a black hole, no, not that I'm aware of.
Transmuting matter. Bobby is a moisture wraith, not a carbon/machine wraith like Henshaw. They inhabit different materials, so of course Bobby isn't going to be able to perform all of the feats Henshaw has, they use different materials.
However, you and the others are completely disregarding Bobby's showing against The Stranger and his on panel feats of freezing energy solid. A black hole does not work exactly like...
I'm about to get off from work. I'll finish this point at home.
Peace.
Do you think the strangers energy vision could block Omega beams? Which defy physical laws totally like magic.
Originally posted by Soljer
Simple argument; at full potential, Iceman can occupy every droplet of water across the entire omniverse. No BFR for that. 😬.See? What the HELL does 'full potential' mean?
I have the advantage of actual on panel proof though.
Full potential for the purposes of this thread means he's not at his snowball throwing levels, but rather post-invasion of his mind by Emma Frost level.
Originally posted by batdude123
I have the advantage of actual on panel proof though.Full potential for the purposes of this thread means he's not at his snowball throwing levels, but rather post-invasion of his mind by Emma Frost level.
That's your assumption. We all know that even at non-snowball throwing levels, he's nowhere NEAR full potential.
