Can any one religion be true all by itself and no other?

Originally posted by Alliance
You said the one true curch is stated in the bible. That implies that you're christian. Since your opinon is that catholics are not Christians, but the Christian Church is the one trur curch, that leaves Orthodox and Protestantism. Since you prefer the King Jamers version of the Bible, that leaves Protestantism. Thats fairly specific.

* good deduction, i'll give you that... 😛

Originally posted by Alliance
Stubborn, yes I am, but not as much as you. I'm not the one claiming that anything I/the bible says is blatant fact.

* it all comes down to this, dude -> i give my own opinion which is backed up by the Bible, as simp as that... the conflict lies where i believe something you don't... 😉

Originally posted by Alliance
I like fiction as much as the next person, that doenst make it true.

* and it's YOUR opinion that the Bible is a fiction... 😉

Originally posted by Alliance
No. No modern Christian CHURCH,imo the dogmatic religious institution that imo screws up and misleads peoples, minds is not describe in the bible. Chrisians. the people following the faith, are. Your inability to misinterpret this does not add to your credibility.
DO you know there is a whole genre of fiction called historical fiction? THis uses real people/places/events and fills in the detail with fiction. Mythology also uses real people and events to create stories to explain things that man could not understand about the world at the time. The bible takes elements form these, adding "teachings" to create an indocrinated system of control that is so easily expoited by all thre main brnaches of Christianity. There are clear non-factual statements in the Bible, many characters weren't known to have existed/have no historical record. Some actually did exist. Most things are not backed up by history, nothing I can think of off hand can possibly be backed up by science.

* i was hoping to give some Bible accuracies to you but it seems your mind is already conditioned that it is only a fiction... i'll just let you be... 😎

Originally posted by peejayd
it all comes down to this, dude -> i give my own opinion which is backed up by the Bible, as simp as that... the conflict lies where i believe something you don't... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
i was hoping to give some Bible accuracies to you but it seems your mind is already conditioned that it is only a fiction... i'll just let you be... 😎

Heres my idea.

1. You would say that every other religious text in the world is fiction no? And you would say they have faith in false gods no?

2. There are other people in the world that say every other religious text except thier own is fiction and serving a false god.

3. People's faiths can change and they can belive in one god, renounce it, and then believe in another.

4. Religious texts were made by man.

Herese what I can conlude:

Religion is a relative choice made by the individual follower. Religous texts were all made by man, and none are non-fiction. The decision to deem a particular religous text factual is a product of the followers belief in one particular religon.

* and may i ask, what is your view about the end of the world? 😉

As the sun contiunues its fission, the element within it further fuse until they become iron, which is unfissionable. This dense heavy iron core will grow, the suns outer layers will expand, causing it to grow larger, but cooler. As the earth moves closer to the sun, the temperature will rise, causing the depletion of O2, the rise of CO2 and the boiling off of the oceans/all H2O. This should render the Earth uninhabitable in about a billion years or so. If we're not off by then, were toast (ok, bad pun 🙁 ). This is the ultimatum end of the world scenario, but I wouln't be surprized if we were taken out first by several natural disasters, the most devastating of which would be: a the release for a subterranean methane bubble, asteroid/comet/planetoid impact, or magnetic pole reversal. Other things could have a major global impace such as a global tectonical catastophe (like Yellowstone erupting and spewing enough ash to poision the atmosphere), or the shutdown of the North Atlantic current and global cooling, caused by global warming.

Why do you ask?

It will take about another 6 billion years, and Im sure if we survive that long that we will have the technology to simply 'reverse' the life-cycle of the sun...or something to that affect. Alot can be accomplished in 6 billion years, you know.

No, thats too long. Its abut antoher 5-6 for the sun to die. Earth will become uninhabitale way before that. I'm not saying we should start plaing ahead, its just nice to keep things in perspective.

Originally posted by Alliance
No, thats too long. Its abut antoher 5-6 for the sun to die. Earth will become uninhabitale way before that. I'm not saying we should start plaing ahead, its just nice to keep things in perspective.

I heard on this discovery channel documentary that it would take 6 billion years for the Earth to be in serious danger. But thats besides the point...

We have existed on the Earth what? A few thousand years? Now even if the Earth was threatened in 'only' a billion years, that is still a ridiculous amount of time. Based on the technological advances we have made in the short time we have existed, by the time Earth is in any danger from the Sun...we will be able to alter reality pretty much any way we choose to. So to say that the Earth getting destroyed by the Sun is an ultimatum is a bit hasty IMHO.

I don't believe it is "hasty." Humans themselves have been around for 200,000 years or so with advanced civilization for perhaps say the last 15,000. Yes, a billion years is quite a long way away. The sun is very large and hot, not to mention our source of orbit. Altering it will be dificult, since if we screw up we are out of light, out of heat, and out of orbit. imo, thats pretty sol. I'm sure we'll have technologies to cope with things, but its difficult to stop tremendous natural processes without significant side effects. I think given current thought/vision, you'd agree that the most logical option is escape.

Originally posted by Alliance
I don't believe it is "hasty." Humans themselves have been around for 200,000 years or so with advanced civilization for perhaps say the last 15,000. Yes, a billion years is quite a long way away. The sun is very large and hot, not to mention our source of orbit. Altering it will be dificult, since if we screw up we are out of light, out of heat, and out of orbit. imo, thats pretty sol. I'm sure we'll have technologies to cope with things, but its difficult to stop tremendous natural processes without significant side effects. I think given current thought/vision, you'd agree that the most logical option is escape.

Yes, right now, and in the reasonably distant future, our only option would be to somehow escape. But in a billion years? Im very sure that any problem you could come up with, would be considered primitive and irrelevent in such an advanced race of people.

You're assuming that the humans of the future will be super-technologically advanced. But since speculation beyond the "resonably distant future" is irrelevant, lets stop.🙂

Originally posted by Alliance
You're assuming that the humans of the future will be super-technologically advanced. But since speculation beyond the "resonably distant future" is irrelevant, lets stop.🙂

I didnt think my speculation was too far-fetched, considering the time frame we are talking about.

It's only a hypothesis of course. 📖

Originally posted by debbiejo
It's only a hypothesis of course. 📖

And GV, it is very far fetched, you're talking a billion years. I simply said that the inhabitability of earth would be a major problem for the human race. You are speculating a billion years based on about 200 years of industrialised society. There are x number of things that could alter the course of history, speculating into the near future is fine (you have current trends), but a billion years is what you describes as "a rediculous amount of time." Any assumptions about it are pretty rediculous, especially when people have trouble sorrectly speculating 50, 20 , even 10 years in advance.

You're assuming that:
0. Humans will be around.
1. Humans techolocial prowess will continue to increase.
2. That that technology will be powerful enough to cope with the gravity, heat and light generated by the sun, not to mention coping with atmospheric composition, free water vaporization, and the depletion of natural resources.
3. That humans will want to stay on earth (economics, politics, all will have a play here).
4. If they do want to stay, they have the ability to enact the technology that allows them to survive.
5. Carrying this further, If they wanted to continue to survive, they'd have to survive the planetary nebula 4by later and then cope with being in a very very cold dark low orbit areound a white dwarf.

Originally posted by Alliance
Why do you ask?

* aw, nothing... i'm just curious... 'coz to be honest, before i read and believed in the Bible, i used to believe the same exact perspective long ago... back in my younger, elementary days, i used to think the end of the world would be when the sun aged to a giant star... 😎

Then my question would be, why did you change?

* i believe, we have the freedom to choose what to believe, and since i read and understood what's written in the Bible, i chose to believe what it says, most particularly, the word of God, Christ, the apostles and the prophets... 😉

that didn't answer the question.

WHY did your views change. This answer is two fold. 1: Why did you aquire your new Christian beliefs. 2: Why did you abandon your old ones.

* because i believe the Bible is more correct than any other book, that is my belief... don't get me wrong, i also believe in science but only in close second to the Bible... there are aspects where Bible and Science co-exist and go hand in hand, just like what i've posted here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t406893.html 😉

There is no evidance proving the bible wrong if you don't believe me try to find TRUE evidance that its untrue.

Originally posted by peejayd
* because i believe the Bible is more correct than any other book, that is my belief... don't get me wrong, i also believe in science but only in close second to the Bible... there are aspects where Bible and Science co-exist and go hand in hand, just like what i've posted here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t406893.html 😉