Can any one religion be true all by itself and no other?

Started by Alliance18 pages
Alliance Enforcer of the Republic

I dont' belive the bible to be non-fiction, but I have quoted it before, and acknowledges its presence as the guiding compliation of Chrsitian mythology.

THe difference between me and you is that I can cite other sources. If you've ever written an intellecual paper of anysort, you know that it is not sufficient to back up your claims with information from only one source. People who only use one source exclusively are often in blatant contradiction with the rest of the worlds sources. IMO, this applies to your exclusive use of the Bible.

peejayd Senior Member

* you don't believe the Bible to be non-fiction yet, you consider Christianity as a "myth"... wow...

* uhm, in case you didn't know, my friend, the Bible is a compilation of several books of itself, so basically, backing up my claims from the Bible has passed your criteria of using only one source... the books from the Bible were written in different times, places and people...

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by peejayd
* you don't believe the Bible to be non-fiction yet, you consider Christianity as a "myth"... wow...

* uhm, in case you didn't know, my friend, the Bible is a compilation of several books of itself, so basically, backing up my claims from the Bible has passed your criteria of using only one source... the books from the Bible were written in different times, places and people...

Who picked those books, why didn't they chose the other books. There were hundreds of texts. Why not include them all......Know why?? For control..........Pick and chose how you want to control the people...

1. Make Jesus god.
2. Have the church speak for god.
3. Control the people in the name of god, which is really the church.

marcu Senior Member

I will certainly pray for all of you when i go to bed tonite! I am chriatian and it is still hard for me to piece it all together but i urge those of you who are not christian to think about where you came from and the complexity of birth! It does not just happen folks!

debbiejo Dreamer

Maybe some of us used to be Christian, and then did our research, and then found out the truth!! 🙂

marcu Senior Member
Originally posted by debbiejo
Maybe some of us used to be Christian, and then did our research, and then found out the truth!! 🙂

Well, if you managed to research your way to come to the conclusion that God is not, then you should publish this "truth" you found, you'd be famous for figuring it out when all the "brains: of our society have been studying it for longer than you have been on earth.

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by marcu
Well, if you managed to research your way to come to the conclusion that God is not, then you should publish this "truth" you found, you'd be famous for figuring it out when all the "brains: of our society have been studying it for longer than you have been on earth.
I didn't say that some kind of intelligence didn't exist though.

peejayd Senior Member
Originally posted by debbiejo
Who picked those books, why didn't they chose the other books. There were hundreds of texts. Why not include them all......Know why?? For control..........Pick and chose how you want to control the people...

* that's where you draw the line... stop mixing Christianity with Catholicism... 😛

* Gnostic writings are not included in the canon because it was spurious... other books not included, ask the Catholics... 😉

Originally posted by debbiejo
1. Make Jesus god.

* the Only Begotten Son of the Living God IS a God... 😉

Originally posted by debbiejo
2. Have the church speak for god.

* the Church of God in the Bible, yes... the Roman Catholic Church, no... 😛

Originally posted by debbiejo
3. Control the people in the name of god, which is really the church.

* yeah, the Catholics did that... even proclaimed the doctrine of Pope/Church Infallibility so that no one could question their authority... 😉

Alliance Enforcer of the Republic
Originally posted by peejayd
* you don't believe the Bible to be non-fiction yet, you consider Christianity as a "myth"... wow...[B]

WOW! ARE YOU KIDDING? 😖

I said:

Originally posted by Alliance
[B]I dont' belive the bible to be non-fiction

let me dumb it down.

The bible is not non-fiction.
The bibile is not factual.
The bible is fake.

Therefore Christianity is a myth.

WHERES the contradiction?

Just trying to help you trough this bud.

Alliance Enforcer of the Republic

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's where you draw the line... stop mixing Christianity with Catholicism...

Get over it, they are.
Originally posted by peejayd
* Gnostic writings are not included in the canon because it was spurious... other books not included, ask the Catholics...

So the catholics aren't Christians, but they get to make the Christian Bible? Interesting...
Originally posted by peejayd
the Church of God in the Bible, yes... the Roman Catholic Church, no...

Protestantism wasnt invented until 1517, 1517 years after Christ supposedly was born. The Roman Catholic Church was the most powerful Christian church.
Originally posted by peejayd
yeah, the Catholics did that... even proclaimed the doctrine of Pope/Church Infallibility so that no one could question their authority... 😉
Exactly like you do with the bible. That the catholics organized????

peejayd Senior Member
Originally posted by Alliance
Get over it, they are.

* nope, they aren't... 😛

Originally posted by Alliance
So the catholics aren't Christians, but they get to make the Christian Bible? Interesting...

* the books or scrolls of the Bible already existed, dude... they only compiled it... you just said it: RCC is the most powerful church... 😉

Originally posted by Alliance
Protestantism wasnt invented until 1517, 1517 years after Christ supposedly was born. The Roman Catholic Church was the most powerful Christian church.

* still, the Church in the Bible is NOT the Roman Catholic Church... 😉

Originally posted by Alliance
Exactly like you do with the bible. That the catholics organized????

* i'm not forcing anyone... Bibles are scattered all over the globe, maybe you have one, read it... i'm just posting verses... 😉

debbiejo Dreamer

One interesting thing about the Catholics of today, they don't try to convert people. They seem to be more tolerant.

As for only the gnostic writings only getting thrown out. That is not true. There were many other writings that weren't included. Some where just more popular then others and read aloud at certain times of the year like scriptures doing with the crucifixion (Passover-Easter) and writings that lead up to that.........There really are more, but the church decided which would be in (popular and control) and which were boring and contradictory....Btw, it's still full of contradictions....

Also did you ever read, which was suggested, Dionysus and Mithra?

Eye opener..........bangin

Alliance Enforcer of the Republic

Originally posted by peejayd
* still, the Church in the Bible is NOT the Roman Catholic Church... 😉

If its not the RCC, its definately not yours.
Originally posted by peejayd
* i'm not forcing anyone... Bibles are scattered all over the globe, maybe you have one, read it... i'm just posting verses... 😉
BS. You're nto forcing it on me, but telling me to go read your book. FYI i have read the whole bible.

YOU'RE the one who won't read anything else.

Storm Black belt BJJ

Originally posted by marcu
Well, if you managed to research your way to come to the conclusion that God is not, then you should publish this "truth" you found, you'd be famous for figuring it out when all the "brains: of our society have been studying it for longer than you have been on earth.

Theists are always welcome as well to support what they are saying. This can involve empirical evidence, logical arguments, and even positive proof.

Alliance Enforcer of the Republic

<applause>

peejayd Senior Member
Originally posted by Alliance
If its not the RCC, its definately not yours.

* i never said it's mine... 😛

Originally posted by Alliance
BS. You're nto forcing it on me, but telling me to go read your book.

* now that's BS... i'm not telling you to read MY book, i'm saying you go and read YOUR Bible... 😕

Originally posted by Alliance
FYI i have read the whole bible.

* for a person who read the whole Bible, you sure make some silly ideas... 😆

* anyways, you've read the whole Bible, yet you continue to connect the Church in the Bible with the RCC? how ignorant... just take a look at the big difference in their doctrine and you will see that the RCC is no way near the Church in the Bible... and you will see that the RCC is not a Christian church, they are just claiming to be one... 😉

Originally posted by Alliance
YOU'RE the one who won't read anything else.

* like what? your so-called "myths"? the books in the Bible are backed up even by history and science... it's more than enough... 😉

Alliance Enforcer of the Republic

Originally posted by peejayd
* i never said it's mine... 😛

Yeah, BS. You never said you're church is the only church, the one in the bible?

Originally posted by peejayd
* now that's BS... i'm not telling you to read MY book, i'm saying you go and read YOUR Bible... 😕

I dont own one anymore. You want me to read your CHRISTIAN book. You want to force your CHRISTIAN religion upon me.

Originally posted by peejayd
* for a person who read the whole Bible, you sure make some silly ideas...

Right back at you.

Originally posted by peejayd
* anyways, you've read the whole Bible, yet you continue to connect the Church in the Bible with the RCC? how ignorant... just take a look at the big difference in their doctrine and you will see that the RCC is no way near the Church in the Bible... and you will see that the RCC is not a Christian church, they are just claiming to be one... 😉

You make some of the most ignorant statements on this forum. No modern Christian curch is accurately described in the Bible.

Originally posted by peejayd
* like what? your so-called "myths"? the books in the Bible are backed up even by history and science... it's more than enough... 😉
No, its hardly not enough. In fact, its barly anything. you narrowmindedly IGNORE everything else in the world and stick your your narrowminded blind opinons. THe Bible is not backed up by ANYTHING, especially science and fact.

peejayd Senior Member
Originally posted by Alliance
Yeah, BS. You never said you're church is the only church, the one in the bible?

* i never even said what's my religion, so you don't even know my church affiliation... what i'm saying is, the true church is the one stated in the Bible... 😉

Originally posted by Alliance
I dont own one anymore. You want me to read your CHRISTIAN book. You want to force your CHRISTIAN religion upon me.

* what a stubborn person... let me guess, you're making this up: the truth is, you don't read the whole Bible, 'coz if you did, you should not be that stubborn... 😉

Originally posted by Alliance
Right back at you.

* nope, you speak like you don't read the whole Bible... 😉

Originally posted by Alliance
You make some of the most ignorant statements on this forum. No modern Christian curch is accurately described in the Bible.

* the Bible introduced the true Church, it's members are called Christians... so according to you: no modern Christian church is accurately described in the Bible, yet you claim Catholics are Christians... now that's narrow-minded... 😛

Originally posted by Alliance
No, its hardly not enough. In fact, its barly anything. you narrowmindedly IGNORE everything else in the world and stick your your narrowminded blind opinons. THe Bible is not backed up by ANYTHING, especially science and fact.

* this shows your full ignorance... tell me, do you want me to prove the accuracy of the Bible to you? historically? archaeologically? what? you sure are ignorant... 😛

debbiejo Dreamer

It's so interesting how Atheists look and can question/think on things I can so not................And I like it..

Good Convo....just can't think from that perception.

Alliance Enforcer of the Republic

Originally posted by peejayd
* i never even said what's my religion, so you don't even know my church affiliation... what i'm saying is, the true church is the one stated in the Bible... 😉

You said the one true curch is stated in the bible. That implies that you're christian. Since your opinon is that catholics are not Christians, but the Christian Church is the one trur curch, that leaves Orthodox and Protestantism. Since you prefer the King Jamers version of the Bible, that leaves Protestantism. Thats fairly specific.

Originally posted by peejayd
* what a stubborn person... let me guess, you're making this up: the truth is, you don't read the whole Bible, 'coz if you did, you should not be that stubborn... 😉

Stubborn, yes I am, but not as much as you. I'm not the one claiming that anything I/the bible says is blatant fact.
Originally posted by peejayd
* * nope, you speak like you don't read the whole Bible... 😉{/B]
I like fiction as much as the next person, that doenst make it true.
Originally posted by peejayd
[B]** the Bible introduced the true Church, it's members are called Christians... so according to you: no modern Christian church is accurately described in the Bible, yet you claim Catholics are Christians... now that's narrow-minded... 😛

No. No modern Christian CHURCH,imo the dogmatic religious institution that imo screws up and misleads peoples, minds is not describe in the bible. Chrisians. the people following the faith, are. Your inability to misinterpret this does not add to your credibility.
Originally posted by peejayd
** this shows your full ignorance... tell me, do you want me to prove the accuracy of the Bible to you? historically? archaeologically? what? you sure are ignorant... 😛
DO you know there is a whole genre of fiction called historical fiction? THis uses real people/places/events and fills in the detail with fiction. Mythology also uses real people and events to create stories to explain things that man could not understand about the world at the time. The bible takes elements form these, adding "teachings" to create an indocrinated system of control that is so easily expoited by all thre main brnaches of Christianity. There are clear non-factual statements in the Bible, many characters weren't known to have existed/have no historical record. Some actually did exist. Most things are not backed up by history, nothing I can think of off hand can possibly be backed up by science.

Debbie I'm glad you are enjoying this. In fact my sig somewhat represents it. I like to step back and examine everything from all possible perspectives I can manage. Its about "forward" thinking. Its taking the boundry of my knowledge and feeling it out, pushing forward into the unkown with the aid of both technology and my natural human existance. Thus is the way by which man is enlightened. Hence the sig. 😄