Originally posted by GalacticStorm
There there i hate admitting when im wrong as well. Im sure the process of making me a new sig will help take your mind off my victory 😉
All you have is X-men Forever
Creation (read when they show all abstracts) = Universe
Phoenix Force = Big bang ( FF)
LT (watches the multiverse) > Creation, Big bang from that logic
I win 🙂
Give me my trophy now
All i have is uncanny xmen 137= phoenix second only to TOAA
Gambit X-ternals 3 = Phoenix the only force in existence that could contain the power of the M'kraan crystal. Why? Telekinetic godhood. M'kraan causese the gravimetric molecular bonds of matter and reality to dissapate. Telekinetic godhood equals complete mastery of time/space, reality, matter and energy down to a molecular level
Xmen Forever = Phoenix is the ultimate mutation that humbles all of the abstracts = a kneeling, frightened, humbled LT
New Xmen= Phoenix posesses the telekinetic godhood = ultimate power in the comics and also in real world religious principles
Phoenix = The end of LT
Times change KG mate as ive said. LT was second in the hierarchy until Jean evolved. Now she's beyond him. Creation equals all outside of the white hot room. LT watches over the multiverse. He certainly doesnt exist in the white hot room.
It was a good match though. Youre getting better. With some tuition i could help you reach your potential.
KG did i ever tell you that youre the best sig maker on KMC and that i really admire you and think you're such a great guy.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All i have is uncanny xmen 137= phoenix second only to TOAAGambit X-ternals 3 = Phoenix the only force in existence that could contain the power of the M'kraan crystal. Why? Telekinetic godhood. M'kraan causese the gravimetric molecular bonds of matter and reality to dissapate. Telekinetic godhood equals complete mastery of time/space, reality, matter and energy down to a molecular level
Xmen Forever = Phoenix is the ultimate mutation that humbles all of the abstracts = a kneeling, frightened, humbled LT
New Xmen= Phoenix posesses the telekinetic godhood = ultimate power in the comics and also in real world religious principles
Phoenix = The end of LT
Times change KG mate as ive said. LT was second in the hierarchy until Jean evolved. Now she's beyond him. Creation equals all outside of the white hot room. LT watches over the multiverse. He certainly doesnt exist in the white hot room.
It was a good match though. Youre getting better. With some tuition i could help you reach your potential.
KG did i ever tell you that youre the best sig maker on KMC and that i really admire you and think you're such a great guy.
wow, that was great 😆, and i do luv his sigs, props 2 both of ya 😄
All i have is uncanny xmen 137= phoenix second only to TOAAya the same watcher that said he is = to Galactus , and the same watcher who said MM > Multiverse
Xmen Forever = Phoenix is the ultimate mutation that humbles all of the abstracts = a kneeling, frightened, humbled LT
You are saying End of universe = LT, Order chaos , gets replace wow , all are multiversal my friends , maybe next year
New Xmen= Phoenix posesses the telekinetic godhood = ultimate power in the comics and also in real world religious principles
Godhood nothing new
rolleyes:
Phoenix = The end of LT
Times change KG mate as ive said. LT was second in the hierarchy until Jean evolved. Now she's beyond him. Creation equals all outside of the white hot room. LT watches over the multiverse. He certainly doesnt exist in the white hot room.
It was a good match though. Youre getting better. With some tuition i could help you reach your potential.
KG did i ever tell you that youre the best sig maker on KMC and that i really admire you and think you're such a great guy.
Thank you, you are a great guy to GS
Gambit X-ternals 3 = Phoenix the only force in existence that could contain the power of the M'kraan crystal. Why? Telekinetic godhood. M'kraan causese the gravimetric molecular bonds of matter and reality to dissapate. Telekinetic godhood equals complete mastery of time/space, reality, matter and energy down to a molecular level
Ok so lets get this straight.
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""ya the same watcher that said he is = to Galactus , and the same watcher who said MM > Multiverse
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The watcher said it about Galactus before the creation of characters such as phoenix and so on. Galactus has been powered down since then. Phoenix hasnt im afraid. When he did say it LT was very much in the picture. Phoenix then went on to get retconned. That retcon was abolished. The watchers words ring true now just as much as they did 25 years ago.
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""You are saying End of universe = LT, Order chaos , gets replace wow , all are multiversal my friends , maybe next year
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It is not simply the end of the universe. It is the end of a reality and all things connected with it or what would stand in the way of its end obviously. That includes LT. The Heart of the Universe was only the end of a reality as stated in the comic however it still meant the end for Chaos, Order and LT. Point nullified!!
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""IG, Cubes --------- all were said godhood, and ultimate power:
Godhood nothing new
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The term godhood is thrown around just like invulnerable and limitless. Its just to us as comic book readers to use our common sense. The fact that telekinetic godhood is actually a real term which was demonstrated in the comics to be the same as it is perceived in the real world says it all. Control of all that is, energy, time/space, reality, matter all down to a molecular level. Jean as the ultimate mutation is one with creation and has internal control over all those aspects. In the same way Thanos talked of what HOTU was and thats what made it greater than IG which only had external control over those aspects of creation, therefore its power wasnt as great. So using your common sense you'd know that phoenix is stated in the comics to have powers of a similar kind to HOTU so you'd know it is around that level. It is one with all that is and it has control over all that is down to a molecular level. That is the ultimate mutation, telekinetic godhood which places it above LT as shown in the comic.
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""what year 1995 ------------ oh I tough she only got his upgrade in 2003 lol , and remember tribunal was holding the phoenix what stop the crystal
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The retcon changed the phoenixes origin back to how it was originally intended as second to TOAA it also clarified that Jean is the only true avatar and that all other showings of the firebird were just shards of herself. It wasnt an upgrade because Jean as phoenix has a;ways been shown to be that powerful. Rachel was just a host for Phoenix and had a fraction of Jeans power which is why she had weaker showings and could get owned by some high tier cosmic beings.
The firebird held by LT was Rachels shard of Jean. She wields a shard of Jeans essence and she is not an avatar of phoenix just a host for for some of jeans essence. I dont even need to argue about that because the retcon cleared all of that up just fine.
Either way all i know is that its there in comic. LT is one of the abstracts showed and talked of in the comic as being due to get replaced when humanity all reaches the final stage of evolution which is phoenix. When all of humanity gains telekinetic godhood which puts you above all bar TOAA. As in kaballah when that happens creation ends everything dissolves into the white hot room leaving nothing. From that nothing phoenix starts creation again. LT went down with the destruction of a reality in the End the same thing would happen here as stated and shown clearly in the comic. Wherever you want to accept that or not doesnt matter. Im right and i have it in comic book form. END OF.
Nite nite KG.
Nite nite KG. [/B][/QUOTE]
The watcher said it about Galactus before the creation of characters such as phoenix and so on. Galactus has been powered down since then. Phoenix hasnt im afraid. When he did say it LT was very much in the picture. Phoenix then went on to get retconned. That retcon was abolished. The watchers words ring true now just as much as they did 25 years ago.
It is not simply the end of the universe. It is the end of a reality and all things connected with it or what would stand in the way of its end obviously. That includes LT. The Heart of the Universe was only the end of a reality as stated in the comic however it still meant the end for Chaos, Order and LT. Point nullified!!
It's not simply end of universe, but reality, prove it? It was talking about a universe and it's end ( multiverse?)
Issue number please ( am assuming you are talking about X-men forever)
The term godhood is thrown around just like invulnerable and limitless. Its just to us as comic book readers to use our common sense. The fact that telekinetic godhood is actually a real term which was demonstrated in the comics to be the same as it is perceived in the real world says it all. Control of all that is, energy, time/space, reality, matter all down to a molecular level. Jean as the ultimate mutation is one with creation and has internal control over all those aspects. In the same way Thanos talked of what HOTU was and thats what made it greater than IG which only had external control over those aspects of creation, therefore its power wasnt as great. So using your common sense you'd know that phoenix is stated in the comics to have powers of a similar kind to HOTU so you'd know it is around that level. It is one with all that is and it has control over all that is down to a molecular level. That is the ultimate mutation, telekinetic godhood which places it above LT as shown in the comic.
The retcon changed the phoenixes origin back to how it was originally intended as second to TOAA it also clarified that Jean is the only true avatar and that all other showings of the firebird were just shards of herself. It wasnt an upgrade because Jean as phoenix has a;ways been shown to be that powerful. Rachel was just a host for Phoenix and had a fraction of Jeans power which is why she had weaker showings and could get owned by some high tier cosmic beings. The firebird held by LT was Rachels shard of Jean. She wields a shard of Jeans essence and she is not an avatar of phoenix just a host for for some of jeans essence. I dont even need to argue about that because the retcon cleared all of that up just fine. Either way all i know is that its there in comic. LT is one of the abstracts showed and talked of in the comic as being due to get replaced when humanity all reaches the final stage of evolution which is phoenix. When all of humanity gains telekinetic godhood which puts you above all bar TOAA. As in kaballah when that happens creation ends everything dissolves into the white hot room leaving nothing. From that nothing phoenix starts creation again. LT went down with the destruction of a reality in the End the same thing would happen here as stated and shown clearly in the comic. Wherever you want to accept that or not doesnt matter. Im right and i have it in comic book form. END OF.
Not true LT was holding the entire Force, Strange etc summoned the entire force.
The same force that contained the crystal
That’s Shows Multiversal threat saved by Phoenix still could match LT’s control over all
LT >Pho
Good nite
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I missed arguing with you KG. Id almost forgotten how good it felt to win so soundly.
Your declaring your the winner again? OMG. 😂 What happened to KGKG agrees with me about PF?
Props on kicking G.S.'s butt KGKG. G.S. is the most radical Phoenix fanboy if there ever was one.
Oh...and I'm guessing you've also declared yourself the winner against Synchro, right G.S.?
There there i hate admitting when im wrong as well. Im sure the process of making me a new sig will help take your mind off my victory
Convincing yourself again G.S.?
...Would you look at that...look what I found.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Yep that was horrible lol. There was a time when people needed 20 pages of argument to convince them phoenix was more powerful than just Galactus. Now we're arguing over a Phoenix Vs Lucifer match and Phoenix is winning!!! Now thats progress. lol
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4447930#post4447930
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Doesnt matter. What watcher said about phoenix has never been stated in the comics to be wrong like it has with Galactus for example. The recent retcon reversed the status quo to how it was 25 years ago. The one true phoenix hasnt been in comics since Watcher said those things. When Phoenix(Jean) did return a few years back the retcon had reverted things to how it was in the 1980's. Rachels showings are irrelevant because Rachels just a host for Phoenix. You dont have one bad showing for Jean at all. As previously stated the words of the watcher still ring true now just as much as they did 25 years ago.
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""It's not simply end of universe, but reality, prove it? It was talking about a universe and it's end ( multiverse?)
Issue number please ( am assuming you are talking about X-men forever)
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Eternity as stated in Infinity Gauntlet Saga himself is an "actuality" . An actuality by definition is a reality. When humanity evolves into the ultimate mutation that is phoenix reality is replaced by these new higher beings who prosh says in issue 1 of Xmen forever "will replace the abstracts and remake the very structure of reality" Funnily enough he generates a picture of LT as one of the abstracts due to get replaced in this process. As stated by Eternity in Xmen forever 6 this is "the cyclical nature of the tapestry to weave its own end to a new beginning" This evolution is a normal part of a universes life cycle. It happens in all universes and therefore all realities.
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""HOTU was all including Phoenix Force, it was all.
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Phoenix wasnt shown once in the End. If it was Phoenix then she would have made an appearance. HOTU like Phoenix had power over all of creation however phoenix just like Adam Warlock wasnt in the reality that Thanos destroyed. Phoenix as shown in Endsong was in the white hot room which is beyond all of creation and Adam was in another dimension. It was not Phoenix. The HOTU brought down only one reality in that comic yet LT was still taken down. It doesnt matter if he is a multiversal force that speaks just for the scope and range of his power not its intensity. His job is to stop one reality from gaining more power than another. LT is shown in Xmen forever explicitly to be one of the abstracts that will get replaced by this final stage of human evolution. Its really as simple as that. Your argument that its only the end of a universe is null and void. HOTU resulted in just the end of a universe yet LT was still involved and still taken down. This process happens in all universes its a atural part of the cycle of life as said by eternity in issue 6. So no KG it is not just the end of a single universe, its the end all universes meet in the natural scheme of things.
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Not true LT was holding the entire Force, Strange etc summoned the entire force.
The same force that contained the crystal
That’s Shows Multiversal threat saved by Phoenix still could match LT’s control over all
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KG i will say this once more. You have read endsong i hope. That and New Xmen clarified the whole phoenix situation and explained away any phoenix appearances. All manifestations of the firebird are Jeans essence all of them. Rachel wields a small portion of Jeans essence. As do other phoenix hosts. The only true avatar so far has been Jean. The retcon explained away tha what if. That was a shard of jeans phoenix essence which Rachel posessed and could call upon. It always was. That is why Rachels Phoenix power can be leeched and absorbed as it was in What If V2 issue 27 which featured Set. She is not a true avatar but a host for some of jeans essence. Endsong clarified that. That mad phoenix was also just a shard of jeans phoenix essence.
At the end of the day the ultimate mutation brings about the end of all that is, it is an evolutionary stage that is a natural part of the cycle of life in universes. All the abstracts are replaced and creation comes to an end. That is all in the comics. None of that is assumtion. LT is clearly shown to be one of the ones due to get replaced. LT is later shown on his knees in front of Stranger after he has harnessed the power of this ultimate mutation that is phoenix. END OF.
You know i still love ya KG. Youre the best sig maker out.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Your declaring your the winner again? OMG. 😂 What happened to KGKG agrees with me about PF?Props on kicking G.S.'s butt KGKG. G.S. is the most radical Phoenix fanboy if there ever was one.
Oh...and I'm guessing you've also declared yourself the winner against Synchro, right G.S.?
Convincing yourself again G.S.?
...Would you look at that...look what I found.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4447930#post4447930
Beyonder son stop jumping on the bandwagon because you see in KG a chance to accomplish that which you are incapable of seeing to yourself. That being the defeat of the GalacticStorm lol. Its actually in comic book form this time Beyonder, its clearly shown. For goodness sake LT is shown on a few occassions in the comic as being due for a replacement by the ultimate mutation that is phoenix. At one point he's cowering on his knees. Thats it really its over.
As for Synchro, have you actually read the thread Beyonder? He got dealt with. He smugly posted quotes from his Lucifer comics thinking that was the end of it, only for me to go on to explain to him what was actually happening in his comics. Read the whole thread. He hasnt been back for days. Seen and dismissed.
You know i still got luv for u 2 B. I miss those lil tutoring sessions i used to give you. Im just working out some rates for the new semester i'll keep u posted.
Doesnt matter. What watcher said about phoenix has never been stated in the comics to be wrong like it has with Galactus for example. The recent retcon reversed the status quo to how it was 25 years ago. The one true phoenix hasnt been in comics since Watcher said those things. When Phoenix(Jean) did return a few years back the retcon had reverted things to how it was in the 1980's. Rachels showings are irrelevant because Rachels just a host for Phoenix. You dont have one bad showing for Jean at all. As previously stated the words of the watcher still ring true now just as much as they did 25 years ago.
But it has been proven LT is second to God, and has power over all of creation.
Eternity as stated in Infinity Gauntlet Saga himself is an "actuality" . An actuality by definition is a reality. When humanity evolves into the ultimate mutation that is phoenix reality is replaced by these new higher beings who prosh says in issue 1 of Xmen forever "will replace the abstracts and remake the very structure of reality" Funnily enough he generates a picture of LT as one of the abstracts due to get replaced in this process. As stated by Eternity in Xmen forever 6 this is "the cyclical nature of the tapestry to weave its own end to a new beginning" This evolution is a normal part of a universes life cycle. It happens in all universes and therefore all realities.
Phoenix wasnt shown once in the End. If it was Phoenix then she would have made an appearance. HOTU like Phoenix had power over all of creation however phoenix just like Adam Warlock wasnt in the reality that Thanos destroyed. Phoenix as shown in Endsong was in the white hot room which is beyond all of creation and Adam was in another dimension. It was not Phoenix. The HOTU brought down only one reality in that comic yet LT was still taken down. It doesnt matter if he is a multiversal force that speaks just for the scope and range of his power not its intensity. His job is to stop one reality from gaining more power than another. LT is shown in Xmen forever explicitly to be one of the abstracts that will get replaced by this final stage of human evolution. Its really as simple as that. Your argument that its only the end of a universe is null and void. HOTU resulted in just the end of a universe yet LT was still involved and still taken down. This process happens in all universes its a atural part of the cycle of life as said by eternity in issue 6. So no KG it is not just the end of a single universe, its the end all universes meet in the natural scheme of things.
neither were oblivion , etc they ignored Phoenix force ,if you did read the END , Thanos says he is one with everything , all there is he is creation.
KG i will say this once more. You have read endsong i hope. That and New Xmen clarified the whole phoenix situation and explained away any phoenix appearances. All manifestations of the firebird are Jeans essence all of them. Rachel wields a small portion of Jeans essence. As do other phoenix hosts. The only true avatar so far has been Jean. The retcon explained away tha what if. That was a shard of jeans phoenix essence which Rachel posessed and could call upon. It always was. That is why Rachels Phoenix power can be leeched and absorbed as it was in What If V2 issue 27 which featured Set. She is not a true avatar but a host for some of jeans essence. Endsong clarified that. That mad phoenix was also just a shard of jeans phoenix essence.
New EndSong?
You were using Phoenix Contained the Crystal to show Phoenix Force > LT( according to you) there was retcon in 2003.
The Phoenix that contained the Crystal the same Phoenix that got owned by Tribunal
Not the avatar the Force lol
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At the end of the day the ultimate mutation brings about the end of all that is, it is an evolutionary stage that is a natural part of the cycle of life in universes. All the abstracts are replaced and creation comes to an end. That is all in the comics. None of that is assumtion. LT is clearly shown to be one of the ones due to get replaced. LT is later shown on his knees in front of Stranger after he has harnessed the power of this ultimate mutation that is phoenix. END OF.
Doesnt matter. What watcher said about phoenix has never been stated in the comics to be wrong like it has with Galactus for example. The recent retcon reversed the status quo to how it was 25 years ago. The one true phoenix hasnt been in comics since Watcher said those things. When Phoenix(Jean) did return a few years back the retcon had reverted things to how it was in the 1980's. Rachels showings are irrelevant because Rachels just a host for Phoenix. You dont have one bad showing for Jean at all. As previously stated the words of the watcher still ring true now just as much as they did 25 years ago.
Eternity as stated in Infinity Gauntlet Saga himself is an "actuality" . An actuality by definition is a reality. When humanity evolves into the ultimate mutation that is phoenix reality is replaced by these new higher beings who prosh says in issue 1 of Xmen forever "will replace the abstracts and remake the very structure of reality" Funnily enough he generates a picture of LT as one of the abstracts due to get replaced in this process. As stated by Eternity in Xmen forever 6 this is "the cyclical nature of the tapestry to weave its own end to a new beginning" This evolution is a normal part of a universes life cycle. It happens in all universes and therefore all realities.
Phoenix wasnt shown once in the End. If it was Phoenix then she would have made an appearance. HOTU like Phoenix had power over all of creation however phoenix just like Adam Warlock wasnt in the reality that Thanos destroyed. Phoenix as shown in Endsong was in the white hot room which is beyond all of creation and Adam was in another dimension. It was not Phoenix. The HOTU brought down only one reality in that comic yet LT was still taken down. It doesnt matter if he is a multiversal force that speaks just for the scope and range of his power not its intensity. His job is to stop one reality from gaining more power than another. LT is shown in Xmen forever explicitly to be one of the abstracts that will get replaced by this final stage of human evolution. Its really as simple as that. Your argument that its only the end of a universe is null and void. HOTU resulted in just the end of a universe yet LT was still involved and still taken down. This process happens in all universes its a atural part of the cycle of life as said by eternity in issue 6. So no KG it is not just the end of a single universe, its the end all universes meet in the natural scheme of things.
neither were oblivion , etc they ignored Phonix force ,if you did read the END , Thanos says he is one with everything , all there is he is creation.
KG i will say this once more. You have read endsong i hope. That and New Xmen clarified the whole phoenix situation and explained away any phoenix appearances. All manifestations of the firebird are Jeans essence all of them. Rachel wields a small portion of Jeans essence. As do other phoenix hosts. The only true avatar so far has been Jean. The retcon explained away tha what if. That was a shard of jeans phoenix essence which Rachel posessed and could call upon. It always was. That is why Rachels Phoenix power can be leeched and absorbed as it was in What If V2 issue 27 which featured Set. She is not a true avatar but a host for some of jeans essence. Endsong clarified that. That mad phoenix was also just a shard of jeans phoenix essence.
New End song?
you were using Phonix Contained the Crystal ( acording to you) there was retcon in 2003.
Phonix contained the Crytal the same Phonix that got owned by Tribunal
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At the end of the day the ultimate mutation brings about the end of all that is, it is an evolutionary stage that is a natural part of the cycle of life in universes. All the abstracts are replaced and creation comes to an end. That is all in the comics. None of that is assumtion. LT is clearly shown to be one of the ones due to get replaced. LT is later shown on his knees in front of Stranger after he has harnessed the power of this ultimate mutation that is phoenix. END OF.
end of universe = end of LT funny shit
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