Originally posted by Soujaboy
Im sorry, but that scan really doesn't prove anything. I also doubt your going to be able to convince me that Marvel has been wrong for the last 40 years in that Hulks strength is dependent on his rage. I've never heard from anyone except you that Hulk can become as strong as he wants to be so he can accomplish any task. Im sorry but until Marvel states this as truth I cant just take your word for this.What does Mindless Hulk's feats have to do with him being superior to Savage Hulk? Trion Juggernaut doesn't have as many feats as Classic Juggernaut, but it's clear that he is superior to him in terms of power. Or better yet Rune King Thor doesn't have as many feats as Classic Thor but it's clear that he's far superior to his classic form.
He doesn't have unlimited durability, just like he doesn't have unlimited strength. I have seen Hulk get overpowered while enraged, and I have seen him be killed and ko'd while enraged. This tells me that he clearly does not have unlimited durability, and he doesn't have unlimited strength.
Juggernaut has unlimited durability, and he has never been physically ko'd or killed. You nor I cant say the same for your friend Hulk.
He redirected the blast, so he actually wasn't even hit by the blast, so how is that a great durability feat? It also never stated that it could destroy the whole universe.
No, im saying that just because some character or earthly scientist says he can't measure Hulk's strength or Hulk has no limit to his strength it doesn't make it true.
His feats also show him fatigued times than not in his battles. The handbooks don't state the he has unlimited stamina either.
Since when did Thor draw power from Mjolnir? Thor draws power from the Odinforce, but he has never drawn power from Mjolnir.
I'm not saying Marvel is wrong about their own character, but if you actually knew Hulk's character, you'd know these things. As a kid, Bruce banner wanted to be strong in order to protect his mother from his abusive father and that desire for strength remained with him subconsciously. According to Doc Samson, each person that underwent a transformation was turned into what they truly were inside- She-Hulk represents Jen Walter's free spirit, Abomination represents Emil Blonsky' self-hatred, and Hulk represents Bruce Banner's rage and desire for strength.
Hulk CAN and HAS become strong enough to accomplish any task when given the opportunity. The same Hulk that's been given problems by Thing and Venom has risen his strength high enough to shatter an asteroid wice the sixe of Earth, separate anit-matter, and break a Celestial-level device. Marvel's always referred to the Hulk's strength as "limitless."
Unlike Trion Juggernaut to Classic Juggernaut, Mindless Hulk has in no way, shape, or form, done ANYTHING that puts him above Savage Hulk.
I've already proven he has unlimited strength
No offense, but you really don't seem to understand the difference between unlimited and infinite. Look at it this way. Juggernaut has unlimited durability, but it is not infinite. He can summon a seemingly unlimited supply of power from Cyttorak, but no matter how strong he becomes, his strength will never reach infinity. why? Because it's frickin impossible. Cain's strength will always have to start and end somewhere, no matter how strong he becomes.
I've already proved that he has unlimited strength and yet you choose to ignore it. No matter how strong or durable Hulk becomes, he can always be knocked out by a sufficient amount of force. It's just that the tougher and stronger he becomes, the more force will be required in order to knock him out. And as you can see from my evidence, it takes A LOT to knock out Hulk.
Juggernaut's enchantments make it impossible to knock him out. Hulk doesn't have that luxury, so this is irrelevant.
Hulk took the blast HEAD ON before he redirected it...
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... and it states in the second scan that the handclap turned it back onto the Dark Cosmos (another universe) and ripped it asunder! It's right there in the text of the panels.
When Beyonder analyzes Hulk with his cosmic powers and say he has unlimited strength, then there' really no denying. Even you can agree Beyonder's words >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth scientist's words.
Hulk never tired during a battle with an opponent. Presenting false info isn't the best way to debate.
You apparently don't believe me about the handbooks. Fine. Just check out "Avengers: The Ultimate Guide." On page 24, in Hulk's section, under UNSTOPPABLE, it states, "Hulk never tires. the longer a battle last, the stronger becomes." It's there in plain printed text. instead of dismissing my claims as false, I suggest you look it up.
Originally posted by Accel
My scan shows him getting stronger without getting angrier, thus he doesn't rely COMPLETELY on his rage. His rage is a big factor and very well-known, but it's not all that builds up his strength.I'm not saying Marvel is wrong about their own character, but if you actually knew Hulk's character, you'd know these things. As a kid, Bruce banner wanted to be strong in order to protect his mother from his abusive father and that desire for strength remained with him subconsciously. According to Doc Samson, each person that underwent a transformation was turned into what they truly were inside- She-Hulk represents Jen Walter's free spirit, Abomination represents Emil Blonsky' self-hatred, and Hulk represents Bruce Banner's rage and desire for strength.
Hulk CAN and HAS become strong enough to accomplish any task when given the opportunity. The same Hulk that's been given problems by Thing and Venom has risen his strength high enough to shatter an asteroid wice the sixe of Earth, separate anit-matter, and break a Celestial-level device. Marvel's always referred to the Hulk's strength as "limitless."
Unlike Trion Juggernaut to Classic Juggernaut, Mindless Hulk has in no way, shape, or form, done ANYTHING that puts him above Savage Hulk.
I've already proven he has unlimited strength
and infinite. Look at it this way. Juggernaut has unlimited durability, but it is not infinite. He can summon a seemingly unlimited supply of power from Cyttorak, but no matter how strong he becomes, his strength will never reach infinity. why? Because it's frickin impossible. Cain's strength will always have to start and end somewhere, no matter how strong he becomes.
No offense, but you really don't seem to understand the difference between [B]unlimitedI've already proved that he has unlimited strength and yet you choose to ignore it. No matter how strong or durable Hulk becomes, he can always be knocked out by a sufficient amount of force. It's just that the tougher and stronger he becomes, the more force will be required in order to knock him out. And as you can see from my evidence, it takes A LOT to knock out Hulk.
Juggernaut's enchantments make it impossible to knock him out. Hulk doesn't have that luxury, so this is irrelevant.
Hulk took the blast HEAD ON before he redirected it...
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... and it states in the second scan that the handclap turned it back onto the Dark Cosmos (another universe) and ripped it asunder! It's right there in the text of the panels.When Beyonder analyzes Hulk with his cosmic powers and say he has unlimited strength, then there' really no denying. Even you can agree Beyonder's words >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth scientist's words.
Hulk never tired during a battle with an opponent. Presenting false info isn't the best way to debate.
You apparently don't believe me about the handbooks. Fine. Just check out "Avengers: The Ultimate Guide." On page 24, in Hulk's section, under UNSTOPPABLE, it states, "Hulk never tires. the longer a battle last, the stronger becomes." It's there in plain printed text. instead of dismissing my claims as false, I suggest you look it up. [/B]
No, your scan was of an enraged Savage Hulk and it didn't say that he was or wasn't growing stronger because of his rage. Thus that is not proof that Hulk can increase his strength without being enraged.
What do I need to know? Marvel has never backed your claim so im not just going to take it as truth. Not once has Marvel stated this to be true, and until that time im standing by my argument that Hulks strength is dependent on his rage.
So he can increase his strength, I never denied that. I just stated that Hulk's mind is like any other human brain and can only produce so much rage and adrenalin.
The only thing that was needed for us to believe that Mindless Hulk was superior to Savage Hulk, is us to know that Savage Hulk could never reach that lv of rage without outside help.
Hulk's strength is dependent on his rage, thus his strength isn't unlimited. His brain has never been stated to be any different that any other human brain, and like I've stated before the human brain can only produce so much anger and adrenalin.
Even if Hulk's strength increases with his rage, it's still dependent on how much anger and adrenalin his brain can produce, and this is limited.
Like you've asked me before"do you base your opinion just off handbooks?" The official handbook doesn't say he has unlimited stamina, and comics show him feeling fatigued during battle.
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Originally posted by Soujaboy
No, your scan was of an enraged Savage Hulk and it didn't say that he was or wasn't growing stronger because of his rage. Thus that is not proof that Hulk can increase his strength without being enraged.What do I need to know? Marvel has never backed your claim so im not just going to take it as truth. Not once has Marvel stated this to be true, and until that time im standing by my argument that Hulks strength is dependent on his rage.
So he can increase his strength, I never denied that. I just stated that Hulk's mind is like any other human brain and can only produce so much rage and adrenalin.
The only thing that was needed for us to believe that Mindless Hulk was superior to Savage Hulk, is us to know that Savage Hulk could never reach that lv of rage without outside help.
Hulk's strength is dependent on his rage, thus his strength isn't unlimited. His brain has never been stated to be any different that any other human brain, and like I've stated before the human brain can only produce so much anger and adrenalin.
Even if Hulk's strength increases with his rage, it's still dependent on how much anger and adrenalin his brain can produce, and this is limited.
Like you've asked me before"do you base your opinion just off handbooks?" The official handbook doesn't say he has unlimited stamina, and comics show him feeling fatigued during battle.
Marvel's not going to come out and say, "Accel was right, Hulk's strength is NOT completely dependent upon his rage." His anger is a big factor, yes, but there are other parts of the formula, such as the desire to be the strongest. It's part of his character, and not all character qualities can be found in handbooks and bios.
Notice how Hulk hates all "puny humans," and he hates Banner the most because he feels Banner is "the puniest human of all." This is because Hulk is Banner's repressed emotions, mostly his anger, but also his desire to be strong. Deep down, Bruce hates being weak.
Mindless Hulk has never shown to do anything Savage Hulk wasn't capable of on his own. They made him Mindless because it makes for a more interesting story for when he fights Onslaught. There was no indication that he was superior just because he was a little angrier.
Hulk's mind isn't like other minds in the sense that he can't control his rage. Normal people like us can only get so angry because we have some control over our emotions. Hulk has no such control and can keep getting angrier. Remember, he's the living embodiment of Bruce's rage, so he basically IS rage personified.
I get that statement out of a handbook because it seems to be the only thing you'll believe. It IS an official handbook, published by Marvel, so there' no use arguing with it. Just show me Hulk getting tired in physical confrontation with somebody WITHOUT external factors (someone draining his strength, making him feel less angry, ect.)
BTW getting knocked out is not getting fatigued in battle.
Originally posted by Accel
My point is that Hulk doesn't need to keep increasing his anger in order to increase his strength. His anger doesn't have to reach 2 clicks in order for his strength to reach 2 clicks, his anger reach 3 clicks in order for his strength to reach 3 clicks, and so on. He can remain at the same level of anger for a battle and still get stronger. Even if his anger were to stop at 10 clicks, his strength could climb to 11 clicks, 12, clicks, 13, etc.Marvel's not going to come out and say, "Accel was right, Hulk's strength is NOT completely dependent upon his rage." His anger is a big factor, yes, but there are other parts of the formula, such as the desire to be the strongest. It's part of his character, and not all character qualities can be found in handbooks and bios.
Notice how Hulk hates all "puny humans," and he hates Banner the most because he feels Banner is "the puniest human of all." This is because Hulk is Banner's repressed emotions, mostly his anger, but also his desire to be strong. Deep down, Bruce hates being weak.
Mindless Hulk has never shown to do anything Savage Hulk wasn't capable of on his own. They made him Mindless because it makes for a more interesting story for when he fights Onslaught. There was no indication that he was superior just because he was a little angrier.
Hulk's mind isn't like other minds in the sense that he can't control his rage. Normal people like us can only get so angry because we have some control over our emotions. Hulk has no such control and can keep getting angrier. Remember, he's the living embodiment of Bruce's rage, so he basically IS rage personified.
I get that statement out of a handbook because it seems to be the only thing you'll believe. It IS an official handbook, published by Marvel, so there' no use arguing with it. Just show me Hulk getting tired in physical confrontation with somebody WITHOUT external factors (someone draining his strength, making him feel less angry, ect.)
BTW getting knocked out is not getting fatigued in battle.
Since there is no evidence for your claim and Marvel has never stated it to be true, than I'm not going to take it as truth.
Your right, Marvel isn't going to come out and say your right, because your THEORY isn't true. If it was true than Marvel would have already stated it.
Does it matter that Bruce Banner doesn't want to be weak? No. He is still a mortal with limits to adrenalin and rage.
Did you not read the part that said Banner holds Hulk back? Meaning that Savage Hulk cannot reach these lv's of rage with Banner. So without outside help Savage Hulk cannot reach these lv's of rage, which limits his rage lv.
So he can't control his rage, many people can't. These are the people who end up in jail and psych wards. There attributes also increase when enraged because of there adrenalin. Does that mean they have unlimited strength? no because your body can only increase so much adrenalin, and you can only feel so much rage. Since it has never been stated that Hulk's mind is different than any normal humans, than these limitations include him as well.
So he's rage personified(Marvel has never stated this either) and rage has a limit.
I believe what I see in comics, and then I check it up in the handbooks. If I see Namor lifting 200 ton boats, but the handbook tells me he can only lift 85 tons am Im not going to believe the handbook. If I see Hulk falling over in battle because he is tired, but the official handbook tells me he has unlimited stamina im not going to believe the handbook.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Since there is no evidence for your claim and Marvel has never stated it to be true, than I'm not going to take it as truth.Your right, Marvel isn't going to come out and say your right, because your THEORY isn't true. If it was true than Marvel would have already stated it.
Does it matter that Bruce Banner doesn't want to be weak? No. He is still a mortal with limits to adrenalin and rage.
Did you not read the part that said Banner holds Hulk back? Meaning that Savage Hulk cannot reach these lv's of rage with Banner. So without outside help Savage Hulk cannot reach these lv's of rage, which limits his rage lv.
So he can't control his rage, many people can't. These are the people who end up in jail and psych wards. There attributes also increase when enraged because of there adrenalin. Does that mean they have unlimited strength? no because your body can only increase so much adrenalin, and you can only feel so much rage. Since it has never been stated that Hulk's mind is different than any normal humans, than these limitations include him as well.
So he's rage personified(Marvel has never stated this either) and rage has a limit.
I believe what I see in comics, and then I check it up in the handbooks. If I see Namor lifting 200 ton boats, but the handbook tells me he can only lift 85 tons am Im not going to believe the handbook. If I see Hulk falling over in battle because he is tired, but the official handbook tells me he has unlimited stamina im not going to believe the handbook.
It's not just some theory I made up. It's part of Hulk's character. Marvel isn't going to outright state it because IT ISN'T IMPORTANT. No one cares about the details of Hulk's strength increase as long as he can do it.
Banner hates being weak and the Hulk represents his repressed emotions unleashed. I just stated that Hulk's strength is not COMPLETELY limited to his rage. Banner's desire to be the strongest, just like his rage, it brought out when he turns into the Hulk. That's why Hulk is always so focused on being the strongest one there is.
I already said Hulk doesn't need to reach certain levels of rage in order to pull any strength feat. Just because Mindless Hulk was focused completely on rage, that doesn't mean he was any bit stronger than Savage. Heck, Savage has held his own against being on Onslaught's level before, so saying Mindless was stronger than Savage just because he was angrier is flawed.
Humans have their limits and we all KNOW Hulk is just like a normal human being. Sorry, but comparing Hulk's physical characteristics to those of an ordinary human is another flawed argument.
Marvel doesn't have to outright state Hulk is Banner's rage personified. Any one who knows Hulk's character knows this. It's obvious when one looks at Banner's history, his relations to the Hulk, and what he repressed over the years.
Hulk's rage adds to his strength. You've have never proven his anger to have a limit. Even Mindless Hulk, the one that you said reached his limits, was the one stated by Beyonder to be an infinity of power.
Heck, let's say his rage did have a limit. He could still get stronger by concentrating. He's done this when he broke the Eternal Flame of Life. At first, he had to strain and struggle in order to accomplish this, but the more he struggled, the stronger he became. When Hulk feels he's not strong enough to pull something off, he's going to get pissed. Just exerting the energy to pull off such a feat that requires more than just normal Class 100 + strength causes him to get stronger. If he feels he can't accomplish a strength feat, no matter how strong and pissed he already is, he's going to get more pissed off and stronger by concentrating.
All right. We have never seen Hulk tire during a battle and the handbook states that he never tires. So what are we left to conclude? You still have yet to actually show me Savage Hulk getting tired from fighting someone due to his own physiology.
Originally posted by Accel
Oy...It's not just some theory I made up. It's part of Hulk's character. Marvel isn't going to outright state it because IT ISN'T IMPORTANT. No one cares about the details of Hulk's strength increase as long as he can do it.
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I promised to stay out of this, but.....read the first to sentences of that paragraph and tell me whats wrong with that statement.
Originally posted by Accel
So, it being part of Hulk's character automatically makes it just a theory of mine?
I don't wanna stir up another huge debate with you Accel............but, If marvel hasn't stated it, why should we believe it from you? I don't understand that logic?
Guess what? someone just told me Batman's Bat-kick can take down anyone (OMG), should I believe it?
*waits eagerly for a funny response*
Originally posted by Apolloknightim not joking....he can beat anyone with bat-kick 🙂
I don't wanna stir up another huge debate with you Accel............but, If marvel hasn't stated it, why should we believe it from you? I don't understand that logic?Guess what? someone just told me Batman's Bat-kick can take down anyone (OMG), should I believe it?
*waits eagerly for a funny response*
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I don't wanna stir up another huge debate with you Accel............but, If marvel hasn't stated it, why should we believe it from you? I don't understand that logic?Guess what? someone just told me Batman's Bat-kick can take down anyone (OMG), should I believe it?
*waits eagerly for a funny response*
But I don't have the evidence to back it up; it's just what I know about him. You don't have to believe me if you don't want.
Any way, you can look at it like this:
Here, Marvel says that no force is stronger than the Hulk after he struggles to destroy a celestial-level device...
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This helps lead me to believe that Hulk can get madder and increase his strength to accomplish any task, supporting that neither his strength nor his anger have thier limits. If Hulk is too weak to do something, he get angrier as a result and get stronger until he reaches the level of strength he needs to accomplish a task.
And here, Beyonder (written by a Marvel writer of course) states that not only is Hulk rage personified, but he is "an infinity of power..."
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This would then lead one to ask, how can Hulk's anger be limited if he is stated outright by Marvel to have no limit to his rage?
Originally posted by Accel
Oy...It's not just some theory I made up. It's part of Hulk's character. Marvel isn't going to outright state it because IT ISN'T IMPORTANT. No one cares about the details of Hulk's strength increase as long as he can do it.
Banner hates being weak and the Hulk represents his repressed emotions unleashed. I just stated that Hulk's strength is not COMPLETELY limited to his rage. Banner's desire to be the strongest, just like his rage, it brought out when he turns into the Hulk. That's why Hulk is always so focused on being the strongest one there is.
I already said Hulk doesn't need to reach certain levels of rage in order to pull any strength feat. Just because Mindless Hulk was focused completely on rage, that doesn't mean he was any bit stronger than Savage. Heck, Savage has held his own against being on Onslaught's level before, so saying Mindless was stronger than Savage just because he was angrier is flawed.
Humans have their limits and we all KNOW Hulk is just like a normal human being. Sorry, but comparing Hulk's physical characteristics to those of an ordinary human is another flawed argument.
Marvel doesn't have to outright state Hulk is Banner's rage personified. Any one who knows Hulk's character knows this. It's obvious when one looks at Banner's history, his relations to the Hulk, and what he repressed over the years.
Hulk's rage adds to his strength. You've have never proven his anger to have a limit. Even Mindless Hulk, the one that you said reached his limits, was the one stated by Beyonder to be an infinity of power.
Heck, let's say his rage did have a limit. He could still get stronger by concentrating. He's done this when he broke the Eternal Flame of Life. At first, he had to strain and struggle in order to accomplish this, but the more he struggled, the stronger he became. When Hulk feels he's not strong enough to pull something off, he's going to get pissed. Just exerting the energy to pull off such a feat that requires more than just normal Class 100 + strength causes him to get stronger. If he feels he can't accomplish a strength feat, no matter how strong and pissed he already is, he's going to get more pissed off and stronger by concentrating.
All right. We have never seen Hulk tire during a battle and the handbook states that he never tires. So what are we left to conclude? You still have yet to actually show me Savage Hulk getting tired from fighting someone due to his own physiology.
So thats the best you could come up with? It's not important so Marvel didn't state it? Im sorry but I base my facts off of what Marvel gives there characters, not your whack theory.
It doesn't matter how focused he is on getting stronger. His rage still has limits, thus limiting his strength. Until Marvel states your theory as true, im not buying Hulk can increase his strength without being enraged but through focus. No offense but that sounds like you got that from Juggernauts power.
It really doesn't matter what your theory or opinion of how Hulk can increase his strength. Marvel says he increases his strength through rage, you say he increases his strength through focus. I think im going to take Marvels word for it. 😉
The reason Mindless Hulk is stronger than Savage Hulk is because Savage Hulk cannot reach the lv of rage Mindless Hulk was at without outside help.
Who has Hulk faced who's on Onslaughts lv?
I didn't compare Hulks physical characteristics to those of a humans(Although he is one) I compared there minds to one another. Marvel hasn't stated that the Hulk's mind is any different than any other humans. It's just that Hulk's mind is like a 2 years old's on roids. Thus limiting his rage and adrenalin.
The only reason you find my arguments flawed is because unlike your's they make sense, and you really can't Deni them. So instead of saying your wrong you call my argument flawed.
So your basically just assuming Hulk has these powers without any evidence and against Marvels characteristics for the character. How would you feel if I just made up a power for say... Colossus without any proof or Marvels word, what would you say?
It seems like your the only Hulk fan that thinks Hulk can increase his strength through focus.
I can't prove to you that Hulk's strength and rage have a limit because you refuse to accept it. You just dont want to hear that Hulk's strength is limited, so you just ignore the facts and continue to argue a point that makes no sense and gets you no where.
I never said that Hulk couldn't increase his strength with rage, I just said that his rage has limits which I have proved. You just continue to ignore my arguments, and give false information.
In the Hulk vs Juggernaut thread Dinalflos posted a scan of Hulk fighting his shadow. After fighting his shadow for a day, Hulk collapsed from being so tired. I don't know why your acting like you didn't see the pic.
Originally posted by Soujaboynice sig
So thats the best you could come up with? It's not important so Marvel didn't state it? Im sorry but I base my facts off of what Marvel gives there characters, not your whack theory.It doesn't matter how focused he is on getting stronger. His rage still has limits, thus limiting his strength. Until Marvel states your theory as true, im not buying Hulk can increase his strength without being enraged but through focus. No offense but that sounds like you got that from Juggernauts power.
It really doesn't matter what your theory or opinion of how Hulk can increase his strength. Marvel says he increases his strength through rage, you say he increases his strength through focus. I think im going to take Marvels word for it. 😉
The reason Mindless Hulk is stronger than Savage Hulk is because Savage Hulk cannot reach the lv of rage Mindless Hulk was at without outside help.
Who has Hulk faced who's on Onslaughts lv?
I didn't compare Hulks physical characteristics to those of a humans(Although he is one) I compared there minds to one another. Marvel hasn't stated that the Hulk's mind is any different than any other humans. It's just that Hulk's mind is like a 2 years old's on roids. Thus limiting his rage and adrenalin.
The only reason you find my arguments flawed is because unlike your's they make sense, and you really can't Deni them. So instead of saying your wrong you call my argument flawed.
So your basically just assuming Hulk has these powers without any evidence and against Marvels characteristics for the character. How would you feel if I just made up a power for say... Colossus without any proof or Marvels word, what would you say?
It seems like your the only Hulk fan that thinks Hulk can increase his strength through focus.
I can't prove to you that Hulk's strength and rage have a limit because you refuse to accept it. You just dont want to hear that Hulk's strength is limited, so you just ignore the facts and continue to argue a point that makes no sense and gets you no where.
I never said that Hulk couldn't increase his strength with rage, I just said that his rage has limits which I have proved. You just continue to ignore my arguments, and give false information.
In the Hulk vs Juggernaut thread Dinalflos posted a scan of Hulk fighting his shadow. After fighting his shadow for a day, Hulk collapsed from being so tired. I don't know why your acting like you didn't see the pic.
