Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Thor battling the hulk is allways lowered to the level of a brawler which he shouldent be. he has one of, if not the most powerful weapon in the universe. He knows how to use it but seems to always "forget" when he fights the hulk. Slugging it out with the hulk hes gonna get beat. Thor useing a mjolnir to its potential and fighting like someone with thousands of years of combat exp, then hulk will lose every time.
it's not stupidity, it's ego. he always wants to beat hulk at his own game because he refuses to accept that hulk is one of about 3 heroes in comics who is stronger than he is. when he does fight properly, he wins this every time.
Originally posted by leonidas
it's not stupidity, it's ego. he always wants to beat hulk at his own game because he refuses to accept that hulk is one of about 3 heroes in comics who is stronger than he is. when he does fight properly, he wins this every time.
I don't agree with that. It's not ego it's the fact that he doesn't want to kill a friend. Now we have seen what Thor did to Hulk when he was bloodlusted. Along with that thor can increase his strength and other attributes with the odinforce.
Originally posted by Dalak
Okay I spent hours reading through this and I am astonished at what I've read. But before I start I'd like to know the official stance on what is and isn't valid evidence.Handbooks acceptable, Crossovers, What If's, etc
Something I will say is that I'm glad yet sad that some things never change.
Another is that I'm pretty sure I'm a BIIIG reason Souja hates Hulk.
And the Last is Losing to a cosmic is not a measure of how weak you are by ANY means 😄
I didn't hate the Hulk until I joined here.
Originally posted by Accel
Why? I just quoted [B]two handbooks.I just proved Hulk has unlimited rage by showing that it was stated by Marvel on panel TWICE and also by showing the insides of the endless world that is Bruce Banner's subconscious. Saying I didn't prove any thing is just downright false.
Wow, that really negates all the times Hulk fought and/or overpowered the Fantastic Four, the Avengers, Thor, the Super-Adaptoid (who had the combined powers of the Avengers), the Galaxy Master, and Celestials. What do you mean "constantly overpowered?"
Seriously, what does this have to do with any thing? Again, you’re confusing unlimited with infinite. We’ve covered this already. No matter how strong or durable Hulk becomes, it has to begin and end somewhere.
Heck, even Flash has unlimited speed and he's been tagged God knows how many times.
You just said the same thing I said. Hulk is highly resistant to injury and has potentially unlimited strength. Now show me where it says Hulk doesn't’t have the traits I said he had.
Do you know what unlimited potential means? It means Hulk can keep increasing his strength without limit.
Basically, unlimited potential = unlimited strength. Hulk never reached that potential because he doesn't’t have a max potential; in other words, he doesn't’t have a limit.Also, notice that it says, "the Hulk's strength increases proportionally with his level of great emotional stress, anger in particular." Now, remember when I said Hulk isn't limited to his anger?
What the hell does breathing have to with unlimited stamina? Saying his need to breathe disproves he has unlimited stamina is REALLY grasping at straws here.
Besides, he adapted to the vacuum of space already.
Your so-called 'proof' was just quoting a handbook that didn't disprove ANYTHING I said. 🙄
Yeah, you sure proved me wrong. 😆 [/B]
I just quoted the Official 2005 handbook, which I believe is THE MOST RECENT HANDBOOK.
He defeated them yet has been overpowered and or ko'd by Spider man, Rhino, Doc Samson, physically killed by Thor with one hand, stalemating Sasquatch, stalemating Wolverine, and being threw around by Thanos.
flash get's hot in comics because of CIS. If there wasn't CIS all Flash could run around all day and never bee touched, but writers have to make the comics entertaining. It wouldn't be entertaining if he run at full speed all the time.
"No matter how strong or durable Hulk becomes, it has to begin and end somewhere."
So now you get it
"You just said the same thing I said. Hulk is highly resistant to injury and has potentially unlimited strength. Now show me where it says Hulk doesn't’t have the traits I said he had."
You said that Hulk's durability was unlimited, and increase with his rage. I post a official Marvel bio, and it states that Hulk is only highly resistant to injury, and now you change your mind and say that is only highly resistant to injury. 😕
I have the potential to be a hall of fame football player, foes that automatically mean that im going to be one?
like i've stated before, Mindless Hulk is Savage Hulk's limit because he can't reach that lv of rage without having his mind removed from Banners.
You said that if Hulk focused he could increase his strength. Marvel says that his strength increase with his stress primarily rage.
If he had unlimited stamina, why would he need to breathe?
Hulk didn't adapt to the vacuum of space, he just stored oxygen which was stated in the bio.
Originally posted by thanospimphand
u guys realize that was eight day smackin thors ******* around not current juggernaut or even classic
You do realize that 8th day Juggernaut is classic Juggernaut and has the ability to defeat Hulk. I hope you also realize that Thor has already defeated and killed the Hulk.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I just quoted the Official 2005 handbook, which I believe is THE MOST RECENT HANDBOOK.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
He defeated them yet has been overpowered and or ko'd by Spider man, Rhino, Doc Samson, physically killed by Thor with one hand, stalemating Sasquatch, stalemating Wolverine, and being threw around by Thanos.
...as well as knocked out by physical force.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
flash get's hot in comics because of CIS. If there wasn't CIS all Flash could run around all day and never bee touched, but writers have to make the comics entertaining. It wouldn't be entertaining if he run at full speed all the time.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
"No matter how strong or durable Hulk becomes, it has to begin and end somewhere."So now you get it
Originally posted by Soujaboy
"You just said the same thing I said. Hulk is highly resistant to injury and has potentially unlimited strength. Now show me where it says Hulk doesn't’t have the traits I said he had."You said that Hulk's durability was unlimited, and increase with his rage. I post a official Marvel bio, and it states that Hulk is only highly resistant to injury, and now you change your mind and say that is only highly resistant to injury. 😕
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I have the potential to be a hall of fame football player, foes that automatically mean that im going to be one?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
like I've stated before, Mindless Hulk is Savage Hulk's limit because he can't reach that lv of rage without having his mind removed from Banners.
Face it. there is no limit to his rage and you can't prove otherwise.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
You said that if Hulk focused he could increase his strength. Marvel says that his strength increase with his stress primarily rage.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
If he had unlimited stamina, why would he need to breathe?
You're grasping at straws here.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Hulk didn't adapt to the vacuum of space, he just stored oxygen which was stated in the bio.
Listen, I've posted scans to prove my statements, and your only argument is a bio that implies that the same things I've been saying, but hasn't contradicted those statements or limited Hulk in any way. You said yourself that you go by what you see in comics more than the handbooks any way, so why are you still arguing against my scans with handbooks that don't even contradict them?
If all you can do is just ignore my evidence, then it's clear that you're blinded by your hatred for the Hulk.
Just prove to me Hulk has a limit to his rage or his strength. Don't post bios that don't state any thing significant.
How can you really prove that something i a comic is right or wrong? Ultimately the writers have the last say anyway. Its pretty much up to them whats right and wrong isnt it? Dont get me wrong I dont like a lot of things that happen in comics but Ive come to accept the fact that I dont make the decisions on what is right and what is wrong in the storyline. They do.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
How can you really prove that something i a comic is right or wrong? Ultimately the writers have the last say anyway. Its pretty much up to them whats right and wrong isnt it? Dont get me wrong I dont like a lot of things that happen in comics but Ive come to accept the fact that I dont make the decisions on what is right and what is wrong in the storyline. They do.
These were all written by the Marvel writers of course, and on a consistent basis, so WHY are we debating against it just because some people don't like the idea of Hulk having no limit to his strength.
Originally posted by Accel
What difference does it make? Do you believe Hulk lost his abilities between 2003 and 2005 (excluding Planet Hulk)?What difference does this make? Everyone one has there good moments and their bad moments. Even Juggernaut, who you believe to have unlimited strength and durability, has been hurt physically on more than one occasion...
...as well as knocked out by physical force.
You don't think Hulk suffers from the same crap when he fights Spider-Man or Wolverine?
Get what? I've been stating this all along. Hulk can increase his strength to 10X from when he started, to 100X, to 1000X, and so on. However, no matter how strong or durable he becomes, his strength will never each infinity, so it has to begin and end somewhere, no matter what level it reaches. this applies to EVERY ONE with unlimited strength (Superman, Juggernaut, Hulk, etc). Only omnipotent beings like the Source possess truly infinite power.
It didn't say he was ONLY highly resistant. In fact, that bio didn't go against ANY THING I said or proved. Of course Hulk is highly resistant. That's a given, but his durability will still increase as his anger increases, as I've proved. The bio stating that he's highly durable doesn't limit him in any way whatsoever.
Only if you work at it.
Mindless Hulk doesn't have a limit, though. I just proved this WITH scans that it's been stated by Marvel TWICE and I've shown you the insides of Bruce's subconscious.
Face it. there is no limit to his rage and you can't prove otherwise.
Yes, because can. If he is set on smashing something, he will keep getting stronger until he smashes it or he's knocked out. Whichever comes first.
Breathing has NOTHING to do with unlimited stamina.
You're grasping at straws here.
The bio didn't state any thing about him in space. He adapted to space just before 'Planet Hulk.''
Listen, I've posted scans to prove my statements, and your only argument is a bio that implies that the same things I've been saying, but hasn't contradicted those statements or limited Hulk in any way. You said yourself that you go by what you see in comics more than the handbooks any way, so why are you still arguing against my scans with handbooks that don't even contradict them?
If all you can do is just ignore my evidence, then it's clear that you're blinded by your hatred for the Hulk.
Just prove to me Hulk has a limit to his rage or his strength. Don't post bios that don't state any thing significant.
Im not sure what your getting at? I know ever body has there bad moments, but every time someone brings up something about how Hulk has been defeated, killed etc, you holler PIS. Yet you find it rather easy to bring scans or moments of other characters bad moments into these arguments. How is anyone ever suppose to bring an argument against you if you label everything we bring against him as PIS?
Yes true, I know Juggernaut has been hurt, but he has to be in order to deliver a good and entertaining comic. If Juggernaut was written to his full potential in every comic he appeared in the comic in no way would that comic be entertaining. How good would a comic be if the villain won the battle every time? he would have killed the X-Men, Hulk, Generation X, X Factor, Thor, Spiderman, The Thing, etc. Do you find the death of many great Marvel hero's to be entertaining? I don't think so, and thats why Marvel can't write Juggernaut to his full power. It's kind of like how Galactus has failed to eat earth, or hoe Spider Man defeated Fire Lord. I have accepted this, and I understand that Juggernaut can't be written to the fullest.
Now Hulk and Juggernaut are in two different situations, it's really hard to compare there comics. Juggernaut is the villain so he has to lose some how in every comic he appears in. Whether he walks into some cement, or his helmet somehow is taken off for the tk attack. Yet even being the villain Cain still has his feats even when not written to his full power set. Hulk is over written for his power set, and yet he still manages to be knocked around by about every character on the block. It really makes no since how Hulk has been ko'd more times than you and I can count yet you still call the times when he has been ko'd PIS. How can a situation be PIS when it happens on a regular bases?
Hulk's unlimited strength is not the same as Juggernauts or Supermans. Hulks strength is solely based on how much stress he feels, which has a limit. Supermans power comes from the rays of the sun, it's not solely dependent on himself. Juggernaut is empowered by a god who from feats is on par with Galactus and eternity, his power isn't solely dependent on himself.
That bio did go against what you said. You stated that the Hulk had unlimited durability, yet the bio said he is only highly resistant to harm. How do you not see the difference. Highly resistant doesn't equal unlimited durability.
Lets say Mindless Hulk doesn't have a limit to his strength, Savage Hulk does. Mindless Hulk was only that strong because his mind had been wiped of all memories and feelings. Savage Hulk cannot do that, thus he can't reach that lv of rage.
You can believe that Hulk has unlimited stamina if you want.
So Hulk doesn't need to breathe now?
In comics Hulk isn't what your making him to be. Your making Hulk out to be some kind of god. You have stated that Hulk has unlimited strength, durability, stamina, can breathe in space, can't be killed, and is immortal. Hulk really hasn't shown any of these in comics. How enraged do you have to be to not get ko'd by Spiderman? I have yet to see Hulk be the Supreme god you make him out to be.
How did the Handbook not contradict what you said?
You said Hulk has unlimited strength, the handbook said he has the potential for unlimited strength.
You said Hulk has unlimited durability, the handbook said he's highly resistant to injury.
You said that Hulk had unlimited stamina, the handbook said nothing about that.
You said Hulk can't die, the handbook said nothing of that.
You said Hulk is immortal, the handbook said nothing of that.
How is the handbook not contradicting what you said?
I have already proved that Hulk has that same limit to rage, and adrenalin any normal human has this limiting his rage. Unless you want to say the Hulk has some uber brain now.
Well in short, since I've still gotten no responce to my question about Valid Sources For Feats.
A Mindless Hulk Gets angrier quicker, but a Hulk that knows more can have something he wants to protect, and that could take him to a higher rage than the mindless one that doesn't care.
And the Hulk's body and mind have adapted to the stresses of deep sea travel, the vaccum of space (He fought that bot out there for quite a while, Yes Hulk no longer has to breathe) the rapid decompression of both of those states, MASSIVE jolts of electricity, one to the Head during mid-transformation, TP and other ways of control. Yet for some reason teh source of his power is supposed to kill him?
What damage does 'rage overdose' do to the Human brain and what 'proof' did you have that showed that Hulk's healing factor wouldn't be able to regenerate it?
Originally posted by Dalak
Well in short, since I've still gotten no responce to my question about Valid Sources For Feats.A Mindless Hulk Gets angrier quicker, but a Hulk that knows more can have something he wants to protect, and that could take him to a higher rage than the mindless one that doesn't care.
And the Hulk's body and mind have adapted to the stresses of deep sea travel, the vaccum of space (He fought that bot out there for quite a while, Yes Hulk no longer has to breathe) the rapid decompression of both of those states, MASSIVE jolts of electricity, one to the Head during mid-transformation, TP and other ways of control. Yet for some reason teh source of his power is supposed to kill him?
What damage does 'rage overdose' do to the Human brain and what 'proof' did you have that showed that Hulk's healing factor wouldn't be able to regenerate it?
Don't you enjoy these threads so much more than CBR's 😄
How do you get angrier quicker if your mindless? In fact, how do you get any more mindlessly enraged than mindlessly enraged? It's just a question that I would like someone to answer.
I don't think I stated that Hulk's stress would kill him, so I can't address that part of your post.
These rules are basically the same as CBR's, there is also a rules thread.