Thor vs. Hulk

Originally posted by Soujaboy
If you believe half the bull you spew than you really are a Hulk fanboy.

I've provided evidence to support every single comment I've made about him, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Hulk can't be killed physically? are you serious? Thor killed him with one arm, but you just call that PIS.

I already proved to you why Thor killing Hulk that way was bull. We've seen Hulk comeback from damaged brain stems, being reduced to a skeletal state, get right back up from having multiple holes in his torso, and even come back from friggin atoms. I even posted pics of the first four incidents, so why is it so hard to for you believe that Thor can't logically kill Hulk by gutting him like he did? Unless Thor took away his healing factior, Hulk should have just healed fromt eh wound like he always does.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
How is his healing factor unsurpassed? Juggernaut has healed from his body being totally incinerated in a few seconds.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor threw hi hammer away because the Hulk basically begged him to. Hulk grabbed a woman and told Thor that if he didn't throw his hammer away he was going to smash the woman.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Like I said unless you can prove that the Hulk's mind is any different than that of a normal humans his strength is limited. It's hard to prove anything to a fanboy.

Not to mention it's been stated ON PANEL by MARVEL that Hulk's rage is unlimited. If it's been stated by Marvel, why are you arguing against it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
When did it sate in comics that Savage Hulk, not mindless had unlimited stress?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
You really do believe that the handbook I posted didn't prove you wrong? thats crazy.

THAT. DOESN'T. LIMIT. HULK. IN. TERMS. OF. STRENGTH. OR. DURABILITY.

No where in that handbook did it say Hulk WASN't capable of unlimited strength or unlimited durability. Instead it left that open. I actually PROVED that he has unlimited strength and unlimited durability WITH scans AND quotes from two other handbooks.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
If it makes you sleep better at night you go ahead and believe the things that you post. I can tell you now that other posters in other threads aren't going to go along with it.

Your only arguments are:

"Hulk can't have unlimited strength because his rage is limited like every one else's. There's only so much rage he can have before he stops getting angrier."

"Hulk can't have unlimited durability because he was knocked out by Namor."

"Hulk only has the abilities he has because he's popular. Because of this, every one jobs to him and every feat he performed was PIS."

I provided scans and handbook quotes to prove you wrong on all accounts.
Yo, on the other hand, are just going by a handbook that doesn't say I'm wrong about any thing. AND you specifically said that you would go by what you saw in comics to judge a character rather than handbooks, so why won't you accept the scans of proof I provide you? Jesus, am I the only one that sees the ignorance here due to hatred here?

Originally posted by Accel
What, that he has unlimited strength? That he has unlimited durability? that he's hard to kill? That he wouldn't tire in a fight?

I've provided evidence to support every single comment I've made about him, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Believe it or not, I don't scream PIS. You're the one who calls it PIS whenever Hulk does well in a situation.

I already proved to you why Thor killing Hulk that way was bull. We've seen Hulk comeback from damaged brain stems, being reduced to a skeletal state, get right back up from having multiple holes in his torso, and even come back from friggin atoms. I even posted pics of the first four incidents, so why is it so hard to for you believe that Thor can't logically kill Hulk by gutting him like he did? Unless Thor took away his healing factior, Hulk should have just healed fromt eh wound like he always does.

And Hulk came back from atoms. What does this have to do with anything?

They've fought plenty of times when thor didn't use the versatility of his hammer. In one encounter, Thor specifically asked his father to remove the enchantments of his hammer to that he'd be able to fight Hulk hand to hand wihtout having to worry about the 60 second limit. Even at the end of the fight you mentioned, Thor thrwew his hammer away a second time when it came back and was prepared to show his strength against Hulk again.

It's also hard to prove things to a hater, I find.
I just showed that his mind is different from that of an ordinary person...

Look at this picture. This is when Bruce went into his own subconscious to confront the Guilt Hulk. Now look at his mind. It resembles the Crossroads, an endless dimension with countless roads leading to other dimensions. The inside of Bruce's mind is a boundless world in itself. It's right there. Boundless world means plenty of room for unlimited rage to continually grow.

Not to mention it's been stated ON PANEL by MARVEL that Hulk's rage is unlimited. If it's been stated by Marvel, why are you arguing against it.

It's whenever Savage tries to prove he's the strongest. In IH vol 2, #543, a woman broke him down, saying that he needed to be violent, he needed attention, and he needed to always prove he's the strongest one there is. If Hulk feels weak (mostly by not being able to pull off a strength feat), then he'll become more and mroe pissed about it until he reaches the appropriate strength level.

It didn't. It just said Hulk is durable and has potential for unlimited strength. Now listen to me:

THAT. DOESN'T. LIMIT. HULK. IN. TERMS. OF. STRENGTH. OR. DURABILITY.

No where in that handbook did it say Hulk WASN't capable of unlimited strength or unlimited durability. Instead it left that open. I actually PROVED that he has unlimited strength and unlimited durability WITH scans AND quotes from two other handbooks.

When I provide proof about my statements, I get along just fine. It's your ignorance of the proof I posted that bugs me.
I proved every single statement I made and for some reason it's just not good enough for you.

Your only arguments are:

"Hulk can't have unlimited strength because his rage is limited like every one else's. There's only so much rage he can have before he stops getting angrier."

"Hulk can't have unlimited durability because he was knocked out by Namor."

"Hulk only has the abilities he has because he's popular. Because of this, every one jobs to him and every feat he performed was PIS."

I provided scans and handbook quotes to prove you wrong on all accounts.
Yo, on the other hand, are just going by a handbook that doesn't say I'm wrong about any thing. AND you specifically said that you would go by what you saw in comics to judge a character rather than handbooks, so why won't you accept the scans of proof I provide you? Jesus, am I the only one that sees the ignorance here due to hatred here?

Like I said if you want to believe that miss interpretation of your scans and overrate Hulk thats on you.

When did I scream PIS? just quote the total amount of times I did so.

Thor was fighting Hulk and Thing for hours, so why is it so hard for you to believe that Thor when bloodlusted can kill Hulk? Im sorry that your fanboyisim blocks you views.

It proves that it takes the Hulk longer than Juggernaut to heal, thus proving that Hulks healing factor isn't the greats. Hulk is not the best at everything, I know it's hard for you to comprehend.

They have fought plenty of times when Thor wasn't trying to kill Hulk while Hulk every time is trying to kill Thor. Now when Thor and Hulk were both trying to kill each other, who was alive in the end?

That scan doesn't prove anything? It doesn't even say anything? Now you can misinterpret it and believe your own bull, but that scan proves nothing.

I haven't seen the scan where it said that Savage Hulk's had unlimited rage. I have seen the scan where Mindless Hulk was said to have unlimited rage. Can you tell me though how you can become any more mindlessly enraged than mindlessly enraged?

You really haven't done anything except misinterpret scans and give me your beliefs. In your mind you've proved your point, but that doesn't make it correct or true.

Why are you posting things I didn't even say? Quote where I posted that?

Your the only one that misinterprets information to make his fav character seem like the best.

SOuja, how often has Juggs shown that 'Healing Factor', because as of the rules thread here SMvsFL is quite active.

Also there is the matter of the magic boosting him from wihtout that also gives him a forcefield. Hulk is just Hulk. Also the Nightmare scene is widely debated to be a mind-trick by NIghtmare as he has done many times in the past to better minds than Cain's. That doesn't mean it's true but it doesn't mean that it isn't. Also Juggs has done things just as screwy when he's pulling his Unstoppable routine.

You also ignored my 'DOnkey and Carrot' analogy after I agreed that Humans have their limits. Hulk isn't human however, just like Namor isn't 'Atalantean' he's a mutated half Human Atalantean that is unique. Hulk is a heavily mutated human who's mental image of himself warps his body to fit. (All the Hulk Personalities prove that) and if he sees himself as capable of infinite rage then he is.

So far you look to have proven nothing of what you say you have, Strength, Durability, Mind, and all and are continuing to ignore the proof given to you. You know you can debate better than this, so please don't give people proof to assume that younger posters don't know what they are too stubborn to debate properly.

Originally posted by Dalak
SOuja, how often has Juggs shown that 'Healing Factor', because as of the rules thread here SMvsFL is quite active.

Also there is the matter of the magic boosting him from wihtout that also gives him a forcefield. Hulk is just Hulk. Also the Nightmare scene is widely debated to be a mind-trick by NIghtmare as he has done many times in the past to better minds than Cain's. That doesn't mean it's true but it doesn't mean that it isn't. Also Juggs has done things just as screwy when he's pulling his Unstoppable routine.

You also ignored my 'DOnkey and Carrot' analogy after I agreed that Humans have their limits. Hulk isn't human however, just like Namor isn't 'Atalantean' he's a mutated half Human Atalantean that is unique. Hulk is a heavily mutated human who's mental image of himself warps his body to fit. (All the Hulk Personalities prove that) and if he sees himself as capable of infinite rage then he is.

So far you look to have proven nothing of what you say you have, Strength, Durability, Mind, and all and are continuing to ignore the proof given to you. You know you can debate better than this, so please don't give people proof to assume that younger posters don't know what they are too stubborn to debate properly.

I can only recall tow times when Juggernaut has even bled, and those two times he used a healing factor.

I understand that Hulks physical body isn't that of a humans, but his mind has never been shown to be different. Banner wouldn't be able to survive in a mind that wasn't a human mind.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Like I said if you want to believe that miss interpretation of your scans and overrate Hulk thats on you.

Yeah, I'm really misinterpreting those. 🙄

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor was fighting Hulk and Thing for hours, so why is it so hard for you to believe that Thor when bloodlusted can kill Hulk? Im sorry that your fanboyisim blocks you views.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
It proves that it takes the Hulk longer than Juggernaut to heal, thus proving that Hulks healing factor isn't the greats. Hulk is not the best at everything, I know it's hard for you to comprehend.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
That scan doesn't prove anything? It doesn't even say anything? Now you can misinterpret it and believe your own bull, but that scan proves nothing.

Now it's your turn to prove his rage is limited.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I haven't seen the scan where it said that Savage Hulk's had unlimited rage. I have seen the scan where Mindless Hulk was said to have unlimited rage. Can you tell me though how you can become any more mindlessly enraged than mindlessly enraged?

Savage can't become more mindless than Mindless, but he doesn't NEED to. His desire to always prove he's the strongest will keep him enraged enough to amp his strength up to boundless levels.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
You really haven't done anything except misinterpret scans and give me your beliefs. In your mind you've proved your point, but that doesn't make it correct or true.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Why are you posting things I didn't even say? Quote where I posted that?

Do you not remember stating any of this?

"Unlimited strength? It's really hard to consider that Hulk has unlimited anything when he is constantly overpowered by characters."

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"When did Hulk fight a Celestial single handedly? It sounds like PIS."

"You see my point now, that major faces can't permanently be killed. Otherwise Hulk, Spider Man, and Wolverine would all be dead."

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Your the only one that misinterprets information to make his fav character seem like the best.

If Marvel states on panel and in handbooks that Hulk has unlimited rage, strength, and stamina, what else am I suppose to interpret? How the hell can any one misinterpret that?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I can only recall tow times when Juggernaut has even bled, and those two times he used a healing factor.

I understand that Hulks physical body isn't that of a humans, but his mind has never been shown to be different. Banner wouldn't be able to survive in a mind that wasn't a human mind.

Just once, prove your statement that his rage is limited.

Originally posted by Accel
What, you mean the loads of scans where Marvel states Hulk has unlimited strength and rage?

Yeah, I'm really misinterpreting those. 🙄

Because, as I have shown, Hulk should have HEALED from the encounter. Get it through your skull, Hulk dying instead of healing from a simple impaling in the gut goes against all of his previous showings for the reasons I stated in my last post. If Thor guts Hulk in the stomach, he should have healed from it like he always does.

I always argued that immortal people don't necessarily have better healing factors, they're just immortal. If Juggernaut is wiped out completely, of course he'll come back. Hulk doesn't have that luxury so i find it more impressive when he regenerates form almost nothingness.

It proves his mind isn't like the minds of real life people for one. Like I said, boundless world in side Bruce's mind means no limit to rage. Not to mention it's been state dby Marvel that his rage is unlimited on more than occasion and Marvel's words >>>>>>>>> your words.

Now it's your turn to prove his rage is limited.

We. Just. Went. Over. This. Jesus, do you even really read my posts?

Savage can't become more mindless than Mindless, but he doesn't NEED to. His desire to always prove he's the strongest will keep him enraged enough to amp his strength up to boundless levels.

How am I misinterpreting a scan if it outright states Hulk's rage and strength are unlimited?

Okay...

Do you not remember stating any of this?

"Unlimited strength? It's really hard to consider that Hulk has unlimited anything when he is constantly overpowered by characters."

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"When did Hulk fight a Celestial single handedly? It sounds like PIS."

"You see my point now, that major faces can't permanently be killed. Otherwise Hulk, Spider Man, and Wolverine would all be dead."

The best? All I'm doing is proving Hulk has unlimited strength, durability, stamina, and rage a well as it's hard to kill him.

If Marvel states on panel and in handbooks that Hulk has unlimited rage, strength, and stamina, what else am I suppose to interpret? How the hell can any one misinterpret that?

You really do believe the things you post?

Okay, that's it. You lost this debate. No shame in it, either. Everybody loses every now and then 😄

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I can only recall tow times when Juggernaut has even bled, and those two times he used a healing factor.

I understand that Hulks physical body isn't that of a humans, but his mind has never been shown to be different. Banner wouldn't be able to survive in a mind that wasn't a human mind.

Any human mind is human, but there is no 'regular' mind. Only a slight fraction of people who are exposed to Gamma radiation mutate, and a city was bombed and I've never seen a city without an area for the mentally unbalanced. If it was just the psychosis that makes the Mutant then there'd be far more Hulk's out there. Banner was a genius, his mind was never a normal human's mind, and he was even mutated thanks to his father before he was born. That part the Hulk Movie got right, if altered to fit their storyline of course. He was making advanced machines out of his building blocks as a toddler who couldn't speak.

Beyond ALL of this and that Hulk is a comic character, and in comics there is a thing called Suspension of Disbelief. If you can suspend that enough to allow a guy who pulls mass outta nowhere, can punch through TIme Storms and grab and Tear energy fields, what is so overboard about 'Unlimited Anger'?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Okay, that's it. You lost this debate. No shame in it, either. Everybody loses every now and then 😄

Didn't lose just tired of arguing with fanboys.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
You really do believe the things you post?

Remember, these are fictional characters we're talking about. Marvel is complete control of what they are capable of. If Marvel says Hulk's strength, rage, and stamina are unlimited on a consistent basis, who are you do go against them?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Didn't lose just tired of arguing with fanboys.

You haven't been proving or disproving anything for the last twenty pages or so. And calling people fanboys is easy enough.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Didn't lose just tired of arguing with fanboys.

I'm no fanboy. I actually use facts to back up what I say. I don't go around saying "Hulk is the strongest one there is! He beats up this wuss!"

I just believe Hulk matches the traits I said he had BECAUSE MARVEL SAYS SO AS WELL.

Originally posted by Dalak
Any human mind is human, but there is no 'regular' mind. Only a slight fraction of people who are exposed to Gamma radiation mutate, and a city was bombed and I've never seen a city without an area for the mentally unbalanced. If it was just the psychosis that makes the Mutant then there'd be far more Hulk's out there. Banner was a genius, his mind was never a normal human's mind, and he was even mutated thanks to his father before he was born. That part the Hulk Movie got right, if altered to fit their storyline of course. He was making advanced machines out of his building blocks as a toddler who couldn't speak.

Beyond ALL of this and that Hulk is a comic character, and in comics there is a thing called Suspension of Disbelief. If you can suspend that enough to allow a guy who pulls mass outta nowhere, can punch through TIme Storms and grab and Tear energy fields, what is so overboard about 'Unlimited Anger'?

See this is why I like debating with you, you make since and you challenge me.

Yes his mind was different and already mutated but did that give him unlimited rage? If so than he wouldn't even need to become the Hulk do to the massive overdose of adrenalin. Bruce Banner himself would be "The Hulk" without the Hulk.

thats not the problem I have with hulk. It's the fact that some Hulk fans blow his powers totally out of proportion, thus this is why I hate the Hulk so.

Originally posted by Accel
You can call me a fanboy all you want, but I backed up every statement with proof from Marvel, quotes from Marvel, and called you out when you couldn't prove your claims that his rage was limited.

I'm no fanboy. I actually use facts to back up what I say. I don't go around saying "Hulk is the strongest one there is! He beats up this wuss!"

I just believe Hulk matches the traits I said he had BECAUSE MARVEL SAYS SO AS WELL.

You believe you back up every statement that you post. Like the fact that you stated Hulk can't be physically killed yet Thor has killed him with one arm.

The fact that you stated that if Hulk is focused(has nothing to do with emotional stress which Marvel says increases his strength) he can increase his strength without rage.

The fact that you claimed that Hulk has unlimited durability yet in the Marvel handbook 2005 it states that he has a high resistance to injury.

These are the things that make you a fanboy

BTW, me and Dalak are debating Hulks mind right now, something you couldn't do.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
See this is why I like debating with you, you make since and you challenge me.

Yes his mind was different and already mutated but did that give him unlimited rage? If so than he wouldn't even need to become the Hulk do to the massive overdose of adrenalin. Bruce Banner himself would be "The Hulk" without the Hulk.

thats not the problem I have with hulk. It's the fact that some Hulk fans blow his powers totally out of proportion, thus this is why I hate the Hulk so.

Marvel has stated his rage is unlimited any way.

Originally posted by Accel
Well, Banner IS Hulk. The Savage Hulk is basically another personality of his.

Marvel has stated his rage is unlimited any way.

Banner isn't Hulk in the same sense that classic Tony Stark wasn't Iron man.

Marvel hasn't stated that Savage Hulk's rage is unlimited

Here Accel an Marvel produced handbook from 2001 that proves most of your statements wrong.

The Hulk possesses the capacity for nearly limitless physical strength. The gamma radiation that mutated the Hulk's body fortified his cellular structure and added, from some as yet unknown source, over 800 pounds of bone marrow and tissue to his body.

Previously, this mutation was not a stable one. The Hulk would periodically revert o the human form of Bruce Banner, losing the extra mass and energy to the same as yet unknown source from which he derived it. The process by which Banner transformed into the Hulk had a chemical catalyst, adrenalinc. As in normal humans, Banner's adrenal medulla secrets large amounts of adrenaline in times of fear, range, or stress, which hormonally stimulates the heartbeat rate, raises blood-sugar levels, and inhibits sensations of fatigue. Whereas this secretion simply heightens normal physical abilities in normal human beings, in Banner's case it triggered the complex chemical/ extra-physical process that transformed him into the Hulk. The total transformation took from 25 seconds to as long as 5 minutes, depending on the initial adrenaline surge which is determined by the original, external stimulus. Soon after the transformation, the amount of adrenaline in the Hulk would return to more normal, reduced levels. However, since Dr. Leonard Samson separated the Hulk and Banner into two discrete beings, Banner remains in human form and the Hulk remains in his superhuman mutated one.

In times of stress the Hulk's adrenaline level escalates, causing a corresponding escalation in strength. This is not accompanied by an additional gain in mass, but does appear to promote increased levels of energy efficiency. To date the Hulk has never apparently been provoked into demonstrating a maximum output of strength; hence, its upper limit remains a mystery.

In addition to great strength, the Hulk's body possesses a high degree of resistance to injury, pain, and disease. The Hulk's skin is capable of withstanding great heat without blistering (up to 3,000° Fahrenheit), great cold without freezing (down to -190° F), and great impacts (he can survive direct hits by field artillery cannon shells). It is possible to injure him: he could not, for example, survive a near-hit with a nuclear warhead. The Hulk's highly efficient physiology renders him immune to all terrestrial disease.

The Hulk can use his superhumanly strong leg muscles to leap great distances. The Hulk has been known to cover 3 miles in a single bound.

The Hulk has two powers apparently not related to his physical attributes, he can see astral forms, and he as a seemingly mystical homing ability that enables him to locate the area in New Mexico where he first became the Hulk. The nature of these abilities is not yet known.

Abilities: Dr. Bruce Banner is a genius in nuclear physics. On the other hand, the Hulk has low intelligence, comparable to that of a small child, although he has an undeniable cunning that aids him in battle. When Banner and the Hulk were the same being, and Banner was in the Hulk's form, Banner's consciousness was buried within the Hulk's, and could influence the Hulk's behavior only to a very limited extent.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
You believe you back up every statement that you post. Like the fact that you stated Hulk can't be physically killed yet Thor has killed him with one arm.

See, this is why i posted scans of Juggernaut being hurt physically, because it shows that every character has inconsistencies that go against their usual showings. If we see Juggernaut be hurt physically and even knocked out physically, should we just take it as proof that it can happen? According to your logic, we should.

If we actually used reasoning, however, we'd know that Juggernaut shouldn't be hurt physically and we shouldn't use those moments as proof. Why? Because it goes against his consistent showings.

The same applies to Hulk healing from just about any thing and then all of a sudden being killed by being impaled. it just goes against his consistent showings.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
The fact that you stated that if Hulk is focused(has nothing to do with emotional stress which Marvel says increases his strength) he can increase his strength without rage.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
The fact that you claimed that Hulk has unlimited durability yet in the Marvel handbook 2005 it states that he has a high resistance to injury.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
These are the things that make you a fanboy

Originally posted by Soujaboy
BTW, me and Dalak are debating Hulks mind right now, something you couldn't do.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Banner isn't Hulk in the same sense that classic Tony Stark wasn't Iron man.

Marvel hasn't stated that Savage Hulk's rage is unlimited