Thor vs. Hulk

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I weigh between 130 and 140 pounds with the exact weight being unknown.

It makes no sense to state that someone has near limitless strength(apparantly, they do seem to know that there is a cap somewhere), and then stating that the upperlimit is unknown. You see, this isn't real science. This is 100% fiction. They don't need to research the Hulk's strength, they just have to come up with something. They could've come up with a number. But they didn't because they wanted the upperlimit to remain a "mystery". It's all incredibly vague.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
can you tell me what happened in the hours of the fight that was off panel?

Your point? Thor once let Hulk live, yet another time killed him with one hand. 😉

However you did say that Hulk couldn't be physically killed which implies that he's invincible and immortal. 🙄

Hulk can still be knocked out.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
The Beyonder said that Mindless hulk's rage and strength was unlimited, not Savage Hulk's.

BTW, Can you tell me how you can become anymore mindlessly enraged than mindlessly enraged?

So to you one statement invalidates everything else. You can hold that opinion but I do not think many would support you in that.

Oh and "You Killed Betty" Enraged, and "You Killed Jarella" enraged and "Jean Grey just made me a MAAAAAD Savage Hulk" Enraged.

WIth a mind you can be provoked to greater levels of rage than just mindless anger.

Originally posted by Accel
No I can't, but we do know Thor used his one arm and that Hulk ends with at least 90% of his body in tact. His healing factor shold have helped him survive just fine.

Hulk can still be knocked out.

If you can't tell me what happened in there fight, than hush. Thor could have charged that tree up so that it feel like the sun just ran through the Hulk, there is so many ways Thor could have killed Hulk but we don't know how he did, do we?

No Hulk can be dead because in a interview Jurgens said he and Thing were. He also said that they were like punks to Thor.

Originally posted by Dalak
So to you one statement invalidates everything else. You can hold that opinion but I do not think many would support you in that.

Oh and "You Killed Betty" Enraged, and "You Killed Jarella" enraged and "Jean Grey just made me a MAAAAAD Savage Hulk" Enraged.

WIth a mind you can be provoked to greater levels of rage than just mindless anger.

I dont believe that you can become any more enraged than Mindlessly enraged. Thats something that's debatable, you should make a thread on it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I dont believe that you can become any more enraged than Mindlessly enraged. Thats something that's debatable, you should make a thread on it.

Mindless Hulk isn't always enraged. He's just mindless. The Hulk we saw during the onslaught Hulk was Savage Hulk.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
If you can't tell me what happened in there fight, than hush. Thor could have charged that tree up so that it feel like the sun just ran through the Hulk, there is so many ways Thor could have killed Hulk but we don't know how he did, do we?

The only way for his healing factor to not help him there would be if Thor somehow negated it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
No Hulk can't be ko'd because in a interview Jurgens said he was dead.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
It makes no sense to state that someone has near limitless strength(apparantly, they do seem to know that there is a cap somewhere), and then stating that the upperlimit is unknown. You see, this isn't real science. This is 100% fiction. They don't need to research the Hulk's strength, they just have to come up with something. They could've come up with a number. But they didn't because they wanted the upperlimit to remain a "mystery". It's all incredibly vague.

Namor is a class 100 character, can you tell me exactly how much he can lift?

Or Colossus is a class 100 character, can you tell me exactly how much he can lift?

Oh Thing is a class 100 character, can you tell me exactly how much he can lift?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Namor is a class 100 character, can you tell me exactly how much he can lift?

Or Colossus is a class 100 character, can you tell me exactly how much he can lift?

Oh Thing is a class 100 character, can you tell me exactly how much he can lift?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Mindless Hulk isn't always enraged. He's just mindless. The Hulk we saw during the onslaught Hulk was Savage Hulk.

No it was mindless. His mind was Wiped so that he could be mindless.

Originally posted by Accel
What we DO know is that by the end of it all, Hulk's body was still in tact for the most part. Again, if he could come back from atoms, then healing from a beating from King Thor shouldn't have been a problem.

The only way for his healing factor to not help him there would be if Thor somehow negated it.

Huh?

Hulk was killed, period. If your gonna continue to complain about it than go e-mail Marvel. It's that hard for you to admit that Hulk was dead and beaten, a healing Factor does not make you immortal.

Originally posted by Accel
None of them have even been hinted as having unlimited strength, so they're irrelevant.

According to Dinalflos's logic, if a character is put in a strength range without the exact number of tons they can lift than the handbooks who labeled them contradicted themselves.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Namor is a class 100 character, can you tell me exactly how much he can lift?

Or Colossus is a class 100 character, can you tell me exactly how much he can lift?

Oh Thing is a class 100 character, can you tell me exactly how much he can lift?

Can you tell me why Hulk is one of the view characters that has the word "limitless" in the same sentence as "strength" in almost every single one of his bios? There's a reason for that. Let me tell you: teh Hulkers is supposed to be the strongest non-cosmic being in the Marvel Universe. That was my point. Namor and Thing's upperlimit may be unknown, but it's far, far from unlimited. Otherwise Marvel would've consistently stated that it was.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I've never denied that Hulk couldn't increase his strength or healing factor. I denied that Hulk had unlimited durability and stamina(I was wrong with the stamina).

I also now that it is difficult to kill Hulk, yet it's possible. It was accel that was trying to prove that Hulk was immortal and can't die.

I don't think Thor's previous fights with the Hulk were low showings, I just know the situations of the fights. Thor didn't want to kill Hulk, because inside his a teammate and friend. I believe that a bloodlusted Thor would overwhelm Hulk in the first 5 min's of a fight.

Okay, if his Durability is tied to his Anger and Strength and they are unlimited then how can it not be?

ANd with THor there are a few things you have to take into effect.

First Blodlust =/= Warrior Madness. He might fall into that later, but that is an explicit powerup.

Second: Putting SKyfather THor against anyone he was against is an autowin unless tehy are a cosmic, and anything he did counts for Him and not any other version of THor

THird you yourself had Hulk extremely pissed in teh beginning of this fight, but that doesn't mean that Hulk is going to fight Dumb.

Now with no BFR there are 2 possible fight scenarios: WIth Mjolnir's powers or without. I don't consider Thor w/no Hammer an even fight with Hulk Baseline so it won't be here.

With his hammer he's got Godblast, Lightning, and TIme Stoppage, but I dunno if he can do anything else magical with Mjolnir (Godblast and the like) while stuff is Stopped and I would need scans to convince me that he could. A timestop on its own would be worthless unless he spends hours beating the everliving **** out of Hulk and then takes some time to rest up before preparing to Godblast Hulk teh second the TImestop ends.

If he sees THor going for a Godblast at the bell the odds that he's going to run right into it aren't that good. He can jump to the sides or up in the air and Dodge it that way, and if it hits I'd think it would punch a hole in him (Like Trauma had happen to the Professor in the Pantheon days) instead of spread on him and explode like with Juggernaut. Hulk might be dumb to others but he does fight well.

I see this coming down to a slight advantage to Hulk, and a Hammer SLugfest will fall to the Hulk with a 7-8/10 majority.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
No it was mindless. His mind was Wiped so that he could be mindless.

He talked. He was not Mindless.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
According to Dinalflos's logic, if a character is put in a strength range without the exact number of tons they can lift than the handbooks who labeled them contradicted themselves.

If your upperlimit is unknown, they shouldn't logically refer to some sort of limitation.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
No it was mindless. His mind was Wiped so that he could be mindless.

The truly mindless Hulk that fought the Avengers couldn't even understand language, and teh ONslaught hulk spoke. Jean turned him Savage, which is teh Professor without any banner element (which Fixit is, since it's more like Banner's evil side (Not to be confused with the evil within Banner: Devil Hulk))

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Hulk was killed, period. If your gonna continue to complain about it than go e-mail Marvel. It's that hard for you to admit that Hulk was dead and beaten, a healing Factor does not make you immortal.

Yeah and in Future IMperfect THor died as well and left his hammer to Rick Jones, who he taught it's secret name that lets it come back to him when he throws it and obey him above others (Revealed in Captain Marvel when tehy were fighting an Evil Alternate Futre Rick).

Besides, SKyfather THor, even limited > El Classico.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Hulk was killed, period. If your gonna continue to complain about it than go e-mail Marvel. It's that hard for you to admit that Hulk was dead and beaten, a healing Factor does not make you immortal.

We've seen Juggernaut feel physical pain before.
We've seen Thor have trouble holding up a sky scraper before.
We've seen Gladiator amped with the uni-power take two whole minutes to fly halfway around the world.
We've seen Thor knocked down by a firehose.
We've seen Kyle Rayner have his ring easily pulled off by Batman.

What do all of these scenarios have in common? Not only are they all low showings, but they contradict each character's consistent showings.

I'm aware that Hulk was killed. If the writer states so, there's no denying it. However, that doesn't mean it SHOULD have happened (at least not like that).Possibly, the writer wasn't aware of Hulk's history with his healing factor, or something.

Originally posted by Dalak
Okay, if his Durability is tied to his Anger and Strength and they are unlimited then how can it not be?

ANd with THor there are a few things you have to take into effect.

First Blodlust =/= Warrior Madness. He might fall into that later, but that is an explicit powerup.

Second: Putting SKyfather THor against anyone he was against is an autowin unless tehy are a cosmic, and anything he did counts for Him and not any other version of THor

THird you yourself had Hulk extremely pissed in teh beginning of this fight, but that doesn't mean that Hulk is going to fight Dumb.

Now with no BFR there are 2 possible fight scenarios: WIth Mjolnir's powers or without. I don't consider Thor w/no Hammer an even fight with Hulk Baseline so it won't be here.

With his hammer he's got Godblast, Lightning, and TIme Stoppage, but I dunno if he can do anything else magical with Mjolnir (Godblast and the like) while stuff is Stopped and I would need scans to convince me that he could. A timestop on its own would be worthless unless he spends hours beating the everliving **** out of Hulk and then takes some time to rest up before preparing to Godblast Hulk teh second the TImestop ends.

If he sees THor going for a Godblast at the bell the odds that he's going to run right into it aren't that good. He can jump to the sides or up in the air and Dodge it that way, and if it hits I'd think it would punch a hole in him (Like Trauma had happen to the Professor in the Pantheon days) instead of spread on him and explode like with Juggernaut. Hulk might be dumb to others but he does fight well.

I see this coming down to a slight advantage to Hulk, and a Hammer SLugfest will fall to the Hulk with a 7-8/10 majority.

The odinforce was being blocked when he fought Hulk, so it was basically Classic Thor with one arm vs Hulk and Thing.

Thor can do much more than use the god blast, summon lightning, and stop time. He can create and use anti matter, paralyze people, absorb other gods mystical energy, shrink people, create null bombs, etc. Thor has a lot of things he can do with Mjolnir that he often time doesn't do.