Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's called cunning, savage hulk has always been depicted using his simple thought processes effectively in battle.
I said it was smart. You're calling it cunning. Either way, I'm not surprised Hulk did that. Like you said, Hulk has been shown to use his intellect despite it's simplicity in battle effectively.
Originally posted by Sado22Not really. If you read their fights you would know that Hulk gives as good as he takes. If anything from their battles I favor the Hulk looking better and eventually coming out on top. He ends up getting angrier and his healing factor is built for a long drawn out fight.
Thor kills Hulk...just like he's shown to be capable of on more than one occassion. or he just one shots him with his lightning...another thing he's shown to be capable of.
Heck, Thor can kill hulk with one arm tied behind his back...err cut off 😏Thor ftw.
~Sado
If they fight in character Hulk wins. If Thor whips out the godblast he wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not really. If you read their fights you would know that Hulk gives as good as he takes. If anything from their battles I favor the Hulk looking better and eventually coming out on top. He ends up getting angrier and his healing factor is built for a long drawn out fight.If they fight in character Hulk wins. If Thor whips out the godblast he wins.
You favor the Hulk looking better? Based on what?
Come out on top? Why would he do so now, when he was unable to do so, in all their previous fights?
The Hulk is always angry in their fights and only gets angrier.
The Hulk hasn't put Thor down once, despite the fact Thor restrains himself. Even when they go toe to toe, for entire hours on end, on nothing but pure strength, with the Hulk pushing himself to the limits as stated while Thor restrains himself, he is unable to put Thor down.
Throw in Mjolnir and Thor has been able to smack the Hulk around.
Throw in his extra powers, and Thor has been able to knock him out easily enough.
Thor wins this fight.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHulk's powerset and Thor's face.
You favor the Hulk looking better? Based on what?Come out on top? Why would he do so now, when he was unable to do so, in all their previous fights?
The Hulk is always angry in their fights and only gets angrier.
The Hulk hasn't put Thor down once, despite the fact Thor restrains himself. Even when they go toe to toe, for entire hours on end, on nothing but pure strength, with the Hulk pushing himself to the limits as stated while Thor restrains himself, he is unable to put Thor down.
Throw in Mjolnir and Thor has been able to smack the Hulk around.
Throw in his extra powers, and Thor has been able to knock him out easily enough.
Thor wins this fight.
Same with Thor, but unlike Thor Hulk gets stronger as the fight progresses and heals from all his injuries.
I know the Hulk gets angrier which means Thor is screwed as he gets stronger as the fight progressed while Thor eats damage.
Thor went all out in ih 440 and he didn't put down Hulk. He's lucky Hulk had the sense of mind to think about Thor's safety the moment the bomb was dropped.
Thor has had mjolnir before and it hasn't helped him defeat the Hulk so why does it now?
If Thor fights in character he loses. If he pulls out a godblast he wins, but he won't.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusRight here.
When has Hulk shown to be the better of Thor in a brawl? I have all their fights on hand and the Hulk has never been able to put Thor down despite his ever increasing strength. It’s always been a stalemate at best. That’s not taking into account the fact Thor actually [b]holds back/restrains his strength to an extent in his fights with Hulk as he has stated while the Hulk pushes himself to his limits as stated as well.You haven’t read their fights have you? If you did you would not make such statements.
Thor has knocked Hulk out with Mjolnir easily enough, and that’s simply with some lightning attacks. He can do much more.
With Mjolnir in hand, Thor has smacked the Hulk around so badly, he resorts to a hostage(Thor just plays along, as he can practically instantly recall Mjolnir no matter how far he throws it.). Hell, the Hulk shows incredible fear when Mjolnir returns to Thor’s hand.
Hell, he downed, the Mindless Hulk in one blow, when he realized he was nothing but an animal, and stopped holding some of his strength. [/B]
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_1987_385_23.jpg
Look at Thor's face. Hulk was fine and had completely healed from everything thrown his way. Thor is too prideful in battles and foolishly tossed his hammer away when the Hulk told him that he needed it. Thor ended up shamed due to the fact he had placed so many innocents in harms way. Thor tends to become so obsessed in winning that he tends to lose sight of the bigger picture, ie. protecting the innocents.
That was only temporary. I have read this battle and it's funny you put this scan up. Hulk also temporarily took Thor out in the same issue.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HulkANN2001_14a.jpg
Granted it took some time for Thor to free himself, but that's no different than this.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HulkANN2001_19b.jpg
Neither the Hulk nor Thor could put the other down in this fight. You acting as if Thor can easily do so to the Hulk and is dis-ingenious.
Yes, Hulk wanted Thor to put his hammer down as he felt Thor needed it to take on the Hulk. Later Hulk taunted him and Thor willingly tossed it away to his later shame. Hulk has taken Thor on before with his hammer so your point?
When has Thor easily bested the Hulk?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWhy do I need to ignore anything? The madder Hulk gets the stronger Hulk gets. There are no limits to the Hulk's power/strength outside the limits of his own anger.
So you’re going to completely ignore what I stated? Facts such as Thor needed a [b]ten times amp in strength just to hold his own, needed Mjolnir and was going all out just to hold his own?You’re just arguing for no other reason than arguing if you are honestly going to ignore all that. Where does it even say he is at full power?
He strikes the ground some lightning crackles, and you assume his back to full power? If anything we should assume a portion of his power is returned, unless stated that he was back at full powers. Throw in the fact that even under those circumstances he could just to survive and hold his own instead of curb stomping the Hulk, while in the past he has been able to stalemate the Hulk for entire hours in strength while holding back despite any circumstances, mean his anything but at full power. To suggest otherwise is simply illogical looking at Thor’s level of strength and how well he has done against the Hulk in the past.
You’re blatantly ignoring what I’m saying. There is nothing the same here. Thor while holding back, under more stressful conditions, and for even a longer period time, was more than capable of stalemating the Hulk in strength for hours. Here with a ten times amp, Mjolnir in hand and going all out, and all he could do was survive.
They fought for only a little more than an hour in this fight. Where does it say they fought for entire hours on end? They’ve only fought for so long once as I recall.
What the hell are you talking about?
Then you haven’t read enough of their fights.
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He was seething with pure rage and hate in those other fights and he could do nothing more than stalemate Thor, even despite the fact Thor restrains himself.
The point of his hand stinging was to show how much Thor was depowered. Thor has thrown Mjolnir at speeds far faster than light, and recalled it back without so much as being phase, while here when he recalled it, his entire body was pulled back, and he yelled in pain, and in shock.
Would you stop trying to make excuses and trying to find a cop out? “Future Imperfect” was an alternate time line where, Thor could have been depowered, or any number of things. The situation here is different.
No, that is the point, which is something you seem to keep misunderstanding. The fact that such an explosion was presumably fatal to Thor, even further solidifies the fact that Thor was weakened severely. It was not only strength but durability as well. This also shown by the fact that, a punch from Hulk and some cold water can stun him so severely and bring him to his knees. I mean Thor has withstood attacks capable of destroying a planet in space physically unharmed. [/B]
It's obvious he is back at full power. Thor would definitely have mentioned that he wasn't at full power hadn't he have been. You can't live with the fact that Thor couldn't be at full power just to compete with the Hulk with both going all out and in kill mode.
No, to suggest that he wasn't back at full power is illogical considering he has never been able to easily best the Hulk in the past. Hulk is stronger than Thor while Thor is more powerful than the Hulk. Battles such as these strongly favor the Hulk as it gets him angrier and Thor just uses his hammer to bash and to further agitate the Hulk. Their battles are always pretty much stalemates at the end of the day and to suggest that this stalemate was any difference is ignoring their entire history. Thor was at full power here and Hulk was seething with anger.
Thor was holding his own with the Hulk here. Just like his other battles. I think the Hulk was angrier here than in any of his other battles with Thor so it stands to make sense that this is another legitimate showing with Thor going all out and failing to put the Hulk down. It's more of the same. It fits together so perfectly with their entire history.
Ah. I thought it was more than an hour, but an hour nonetheless changes nothing. The fight wasn't anywhere near close to stopping at the point of the bomb drop.
Name the fight that the hammer easily bested the Hulk.
Not like this. Both men for a time were completely obsessed with killing the other while in other fights Hulk was just angry that Thor didn't just stay down. This was their ultimate clash imo.
So? One writer has a spear kill the Hulk while another has a sword barely even phase him stabbed right through his chest. For the purposes of this story it was meant to signify how serious of a clash this was along with the lack of dialogue. Both men were never more serious and more dedicated in the absolute destruction of each other than right here.
Are you saying you don't get my point? The point is the bomb is a plot device. I never even said that it would kill Thor. The point was the Hulk snapped out of it in time to save Thor from it. Quit obsessing over Thor to see why I even brought it up. I am not even saying it would kill him. Think for a second.
No, it doesn't. You are making up excuses for Thor because just like your hero it drives you crazy that Thor couldn't put him down here. He was fully powered and he still couldn't beat Hulk.
Originally posted by quanchi112Good thing your opinion sucks then. 🙂
If he fights in character he loses imo.
Thor has been versatile many times while facing the Hulk, when he does he either beats him or has the advantage.
I am not fans of either TBH but I know Thor outclasses Hulk. Hulks so strong but even after hours he's apparently not strong enough to put down Thor, while Thor has been able to put down Hulk.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You favor the Hulk looking better? Based on what?Come out on top? Why would he do so now, when he was unable to do so, in all their previous fights?
The Hulk is always angry in their fights and only gets angrier.
The Hulk hasn't put Thor down once, despite the fact Thor restrains himself. Even when they go toe to toe, for entire hours on end, on nothing but pure strength, with the Hulk pushing himself to the limits as stated while Thor restrains himself, he is unable to put Thor down.
Throw in Mjolnir and Thor has been able to smack the Hulk around.
Throw in his extra powers, and Thor has been able to knock him out easily enough.
Thor wins this fight.
where does it say thor restrains himself , is this the case fro every hulk thor encounter or are you making assumptions?
here thor says " I who am sprung from gods turned as savage as he"
what does this interpret to you rage?
btw i am not suggesting hulk wins
Originally posted by Ryo 666When has Thor beaten him?
Good thing your opinion sucks then. 🙂Thor has been versatile many times while facing the Hulk, when he does he either beats him or has the advantage.
I am not fans of either TBH but I know Thor outclasses Hulk. Hulks so strong but even after hours he's apparently not strong enough to put down Thor, while Thor has been able to put down Hulk.
Name them.
Thor does have more power than the Hulk, but Thor wants to beat the Hulk by out bashing him. Hulk easily goaded him to get rid of the hammer and then Thor cast it away. Thor is too prideful when it comes to the Hulk and this plays right into the Hulk's advantage.
Thor wins, no doubt.
He is much more stronger/powerful than the Hulk.
How many times have he fought and defeated what might just be the biggest and most powerful "villain" on the planet, or to be more precise...around the planet?
He has beaten and will go on beating(Until Ragnarok where they kill each other) the Midgard Serpent.
He made Galactus flee after a powerful God Blast. He penetrated the armor of the Celestial Exitar. Though getting his butt handed to him Thor stood against Surtur the Fire Demon, Mangog(Sum total hatred of a billion billion beings), though with the Odin-Force he merely willed Mangog into nothingness. He has constantly proven himself against the likes of Fafnir the Giant and the Dragon. He overpowered the Silver Surfer and Warlock(A God in his own right) at the same time!
He fought and defeated Bor(Grandfather) when brought back by Loki.
When he gets insane he really gets insane, so much so that even Thanos stepped in to try and cure him! Odin thought he should die in order to save everything.
There are many great examples of his awesome power and unbelievable strength. He generally however holds back.
I see someone asked where it says he does so, one would think that it'll be pretty obvious in itself. He can't just go out and kill everyone he comes across. If he handled everything in that manner he wouldn't have been "worthy" to hold Mjolnir ages ago.
Perfect example would be Loki. The guy constantly attacks Asgard, Thor and even Odin! In all the battles they had he never really beat him that bad as to kill him. He did break his neck once and did in fact "kill" him once. He got himself banished from Asgard both times.
He'd not do anything to jeopardize the life of a mortal. Even after Iron Man cloned him and the clone went and killed and hurt people. Not even in that betrayal did he kill a mortal. He just pummeled him good but that was about it.
He has many many thousands of years combat experience, I won't say training, but actual combat! That against other Gods, Giants and other fun things.
The Hulk is no match. I'd even go so far as to suggest that Thor would easily "allow" himself to be beaten just to put an end to the fight. Why would he? He got himself beaten up just to help Hercules reclaim his confidence after which point they fought together against their respective opponents.
That in itself is what separates a God from a monster! The Hulk will try and keep on fighting no matter how many lives it costs or how much destruction he leaves behind him. Thor can go toe-to-toe the whole way, if he so pleases.
From the comics perspective Hulk only really has a great chance of defeating Thor when one condition is met. He loses Mjolnir and 60 seconds later turns back into the Host body.
Though I still think that's the stupidest thing they could ever come up with. Thor and the Hammer are one. Though I suppose that they had to put it in in order to have a real weakness for him, silly I know.
Thor does have more power than the Hulk, but Thor wants to beat the Hulk by out bashing him. Hulk easily goaded him to get rid of the hammer and then Thor cast it away. Thor is too prideful when it comes to the Hulk and this plays right into the Hulk's advantage.
He cares too much about the mortals on Midgard. He was goaded into it after the Hulk held a human hostage. Reading through the comics you can easily see how many times things went wrong because of mortals. Especially when it came to that silly "Jane Foster", hell even Asgard could have fallen as long as little ole Foster is alright...
Writer-editor Stan Lee described Thor's genesis, in the context of having been after the creation of the Hulk:
H]ow do you make someone stronger than the strongest person? It finally came to me: Don't make him human — make him a god.
Just a few points on why I think the Hulk would beat Thor if these two were to fight to the death.
Heroes Reborn.
Hulk evidently beats Thor to death.
The Onslaught debacle.
It was the Hulk that defeated Onslaughts physical vessel not Thor. Thor was helpless to do anything against Onslaught.
The Hulk fought Thor in the arctic where no one would be harmed, evidence points to Thor going into warrior madness mode, and still being pushed back by the Hulk. I also noticed that the Hulk was holding back in their battle, while Thor was going all out.
During the Secret Wars Hulk is seen saving the heroes (Thor included) from being crushed beneath a mountain, further cementing the Hulk's superior power over Thor.
The Beyonder tested the Hulks strength, and states that the Hulk is an infinite power. What about Thor?
Thor has always been a powerful character, but his power has always had a cap. The Hulk has no cap.
Amadeus Cho said it best. The Hulk does not kill.
Originally posted by Stoic
Just a few points on why I think the Hulk would beat Thor if these two were to fight to the death.Heroes Reborn.
Hulk evidently beats Thor to death.
Wroung here. They fought once in hero's reborn and this is when Hulk trashed the avengers. Thor gets there and they battle. Thor was clearly matching Hulk with no use of his other powers. Then thor gains the advantage and stops fighting as he see's Capt. America under some rubble and then starts to dig him out. This is when Hulk attacks Thor with his gaurd down and then Hulk takes over the fight and knocks out Thor. I guess you didn't read hero's reborn?????
